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 by: RH - Tue, 10 May 2022 07:22 UTC

If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000

If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000

Getting rid of foreigners would save a great deal

If 50 foreigners cost on average £40,000 all found including flights and expenses inside the UK getting rid of the foreigners would save £2,00,000

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 by: jack fredricks - Tue, 10 May 2022 07:37 UTC

The Counties are babes suckling on the ECB teat.

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:37:29 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> The Counties are babes suckling on the ECB teat.

SIGH. Once again the counties are the ECB in the sense that they make the decisions , by voting on them if needs be. RH

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 by: David North - Wed, 11 May 2022 12:55 UTC

On Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 08:22:07 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000
>
> If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000
>
> Getting rid of foreigners would save a great deal
>
> If 50 foreigners cost on average £40,000 all found including flights and expenses inside the UK getting rid of the foreigners would save £2,00,000

They'd probably just spend it on non-overseas players instead. Firstly there is a salary collar and cap in place for each county's playing staff (see https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pca-secure-salary-hike-for-players-in-wake-of-ecb-broadcast-windfall-1176956), so if the savings took them below the collar, they would have to make up the shortfall. Even where that wasn't the case, they'd probably spend the salary savings and, if they were still below the cap, the savings on expenses as well, on other players anyway to remain as competitive as possible, because if they didn't, they might lose players to other counties that did.

Of course, they could reduce the collar and cap, but they don't need to ban overseas players to do that.

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 by: Mike Holmans - Wed, 11 May 2022 14:57 UTC

On Wed, 11 May 2022 05:55:23 -0700 (PDT), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 08:22:07 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>> If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000
>>
>> If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000

It's amusing to see a thread entitled "Don't underestimate the money
the counties bring in" using figures like these, which have been
pulled out of the village idiot's arse and are about 10 times higher
than the figures which actually pertain to the six least financially
successful counties.

If the village idiot were seriously trying to make an argument about
money, he'd be giving us authoritative figures from county annual
reports rather than making up his own, but he'd obviously prefer to
tell us about his pointlessly irrelevant fantasies than engage with
reality.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: RH - Wed, 11 May 2022 15:28 UTC

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 3:57:41 PM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 05:55:23 -0700 (PDT), David North
> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 08:22:07 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> >> If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000
> >>
> >> If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000
> It's amusing to see a thread entitled "Don't underestimate the money
> the counties bring in" using figures like these, which have been
> pulled out of the village idiot's arse and are about 10 times higher
> than the figures which actually pertain to the six least financially
> successful counties.
>
> If the village idiot were seriously trying to make an argument about
> money, he'd be giving us authoritative figures from county annual
> reports rather than making up his own, but he'd obviously prefer to
> tell us about his pointlessly irrelevant fantasies than engage with
> reality.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike

Master Unwholesome panics in the face of solid argument and facts... RH

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 by: max.it - Wed, 11 May 2022 18:14 UTC

On Wed, 11 May 2022 05:55:23 -0700 (PDT), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 08:22:07 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>> If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000
>>
>> If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000
>>
>> Getting rid of foreigners would save a great deal
>>
>> If 50 foreigners cost on average £40,000 all found including flights and expenses inside the UK getting rid of the foreigners would save £2,00,000

Saving £200,000 would be great but an overseas pro for £4000 is a
total bargain.

>They'd probably just spend it on non-overseas players instead. Firstly there is a salary collar and cap in place for each county's playing staff (see https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pca-secure-salary-hike-for-players-in-wake-of-ecb-broadcast-windfall-1176956), so if the savings took them below the collar, they would have to make up the shortfall. Even where that wasn't the case, they'd probably spend the salary savings and, if they were still below the cap, the savings on expenses as well, on other players anyway to remain as competitive as possible, because if they didn't, they might lose players to other counties that did.
>
>Of course, they could reduce the collar and cap, but they don't need to ban overseas players to do that.

max.it

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 by: mike - Wed, 11 May 2022 20:41 UTC

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:14:52 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 05:55:23 -0700 (PDT), David North
> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 08:22:07 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> >> If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000
> >>
> >> If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000
> >>
> >> Getting rid of foreigners would save a great deal
> >>
> >> If 50 foreigners cost on average £40,000 all found including flights and expenses inside the UK getting rid of the foreigners would save £2,00,000
> Saving £200,000 would be great but an overseas pro for £4000 is a
> total bargain.

I remember hearing on tms last summer some discussion about counties
expenditure and apparently many foreign internationals are only hired
if they or the county bring in a sponsership deal to pay most of the costs,
eg accomodation, car, wages etc. Overwise i doubt sussex could afford
rizwan and pujara, unless they have a sugar daddy ;)

mike

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