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 by: JGD - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:57 UTC

From:
https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686

'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build a
four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical campus.

It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern fringe,
It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End, London
Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'

'Work could start on the station in 2022.'

Re: Cambridge South

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 by: MrSpook_...@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:12 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:57:28 +0100
JGD <news@prodata.co.uk> wrote:
>From:
>https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission-for-ca
>mbridge-south-station-8074686
>
>'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build a
>four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical campus.
>
>It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern fringe,
>It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End, London
>Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>
>'Work could start on the station in 2022.'

Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that absurd
guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge north station
isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.

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From: bas...@spamspamspam.com (Basil Jet)
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Subject: Re: Cambridge South
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 by: Basil Jet - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:19 UTC

On 22/06/2021 09:57, JGD wrote:
> From:
> https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>
>
> 'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build a
> four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical campus.
>
> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern fringe,
> It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End, London
> Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>
> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'

So Ely & Audley End are worth mentioning but Harlow & Stevenage are not?

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
2000 - Good Looking Blues - Laika

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 by: Basil Jet - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:25 UTC

On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>
> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that absurd
> guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge north station
> isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.

I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
2000 - Good Looking Blues - Laika

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 by: MrSpook_...@cg4lmvn.tv - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:36 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:25:08 +0100
Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> wrote:
>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>>
>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that absurd
>> guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge north station
>> isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>
>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.

Yes, and guess what, that allows them to drive on the now upgraded A14!
There was no reason to rip up the railway to convert into that white
elephant other than county councillers legacy building.

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:46 UTC

In message <sasa9l$cpo$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:08 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> remarked:

>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:

>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that
>>absurd guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge
>>north station isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>
>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.

Also there's no such thing as a rebuild of "The Huntingdon Line" because
it ends at St Ives. That's one thing the buses are able to achieve - a
final destination at several sources/sinks of passengers *beyond* St
Ives.

The guided bus is also doing a pretty good job at the moment of
shuttling passengers (and students) between central Cambridge and the
bio campus/6th Form College, even if its originally envisaged role as
the bus for the Trumpington Park and Ride has been less successful.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:42 UTC

In message <sas9ue$al8$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:19:08 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> remarked:
>On 22/06/2021 09:57, JGD wrote:
>> From:
>>https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permissio
>>n-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686 'Network Rail has applied for
>>a Transport and Works Act Order to build a four-platform station
>>serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical campus.

>> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern
>>fringe, It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End,
>>London Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'

>> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'
>
>So Ely & Audley End are worth mentioning but Harlow & Stevenage are not?

They will be mentioning the places which have an existing flow to/from
Cambridge, and perhaps there aren't many people living in South
Cambridge (where housing is eye-wateringly expensive) who have jobs in
Harlow or Stevenage.

You might then say "but isn't this for people travelling *from*
Stevenage and Harlow to work in South Cambridge", but the consultation
on whose conclusions this latest phase is based, was all about
accessibility of the station to locals residents, provision of
cycle-racks for residents, and so on.

There was very little about for example how patients were going to do
the half mile uphill walk to the hospital (apart from the idea that the
station would *not* have any bus stops), or how things scaled when
employees at the various facilities will all want trains at the same
hours of the day, and nothing the rest of the day.

They also "forgot" about the line to Norwich (via Ely) - something I
pointed out when I went to one of their open days - which was especially
surprising as the breaking news at the time was the way the Norwich to
Cambridge services were being extended to Stansted.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:48 UTC

In message <sas8lr$im5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:57:28 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, JGD <news@prodata.co.uk> remarked:
>From:
>https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission
>-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>
>'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build
>a four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical
>campus.
>
>It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern
>fringe, It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End,
>London Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>
>'Work could start on the station in 2022.'

The timetable there is rather ambitious. Meanwhile, it took four years
from approval to opening for Cambridge North.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:56 UTC

In message <sasau1$1o84$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:36:02 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, MrSpook_gdrTt9xw@cg4lmvn.tv remarked:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:25:08 +0100
>Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> wrote:
>>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that absurd
>>> guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge north station
>>> isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>>
>>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.
>
>Yes, and guess what, that allows them to drive on the now upgraded A14!
>There was no reason to rip up the railway to convert into that white
>elephant other than county councillers legacy building.

If it had been reinstated as a railway (only to St Ives, remember) it
was in such a poor state it would have required "ripping up" and
completely rebuilding, anyway. And heaven knows what they'd have done
about the several level crossings en-route (one of them on a major
road).
--
Roland Perry

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 by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:09 UTC

On 22/06/2021 09:57, JGD wrote:
> From:
> https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>
>
> 'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build a
> four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical campus.
>
> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern fringe,
> It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End, London
> Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>
> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'

All I can say is I remember this being discussed when I was at school in
Cambridge... I'm now retired. I reckon the amount spent on hot air in
the meantime would have paid for it.

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 by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:13 UTC

On 22/06/2021 10:48, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <sas8lr$im5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:57:28 on Tue, 22 Jun
> 2021, JGD <news@prodata.co.uk> remarked:
>> From:
>> https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission
>> -for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>>
>> 'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build
>> a four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical
>> campus.
>>
>> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern
>> fringe, It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End,
>> London Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>>
>> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'
>
> The timetable there is rather ambitious. Meanwhile, it took four years
> from approval to opening for Cambridge North.
How long did it take to the approval? It managed to overtake Cambridge
South!

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 by: MrSpook_...@mkco9y.info - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:37 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:46:50 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <sasa9l$cpo$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:08 on Tue, 22 Jun
>2021, Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> remarked:
>
>>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>
>>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that
>>>absurd guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge
>>>north station isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>>
>>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.
>
>Also there's no such thing as a rebuild of "The Huntingdon Line" because
>it ends at St Ives. That's one thing the buses are able to achieve - a
>final destination at several sources/sinks of passengers *beyond* St
>Ives.

Using that logic lets rip up all railway lines and convert them to busways.

>The guided bus is also doing a pretty good job at the moment of
>shuttling passengers (and students) between central Cambridge and the
>bio campus/6th Form College, even if its originally envisaged role as
>the bus for the Trumpington Park and Ride has been less successful.

And it couldn't do that using the normal roads?

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 by: MrSpook_...@6qy_96gu8a.co.uk - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:39 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:56:51 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <sasau1$1o84$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:36:02 on Tue, 22 Jun
>2021, MrSpook_gdrTt9xw@cg4lmvn.tv remarked:
>>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:25:08 +0100
>>Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> wrote:
>>>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that absurd
>
>>>> guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge north station
>>>> isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>>>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.
>>
>>Yes, and guess what, that allows them to drive on the now upgraded A14!
>>There was no reason to rip up the railway to convert into that white
>>elephant other than county councillers legacy building.
>
>If it had been reinstated as a railway (only to St Ives, remember) it
>was in such a poor state it would have required "ripping up" and
>completely rebuilding, anyway. And heaven knows what they'd have done
>about the several level crossings en-route (one of them on a major
>road).

You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert the
trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:33 UTC

In message <sasd4j$lis$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:13:39 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>On 22/06/2021 10:48, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <sas8lr$im5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:57:28 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>2021, JGD <news@prodata.co.uk> remarked:
>>> From:
>>>https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission
>>> -for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>>>
>>> 'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to
>>>build a four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the
>>>biomedical campus.
>>>
>>> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern
>>>fringe, It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End,
>>>London Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>>>
>>> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'

>> The timetable there is rather ambitious. Meanwhile, it took four
>>years from approval to opening for Cambridge North.

>How long did it take to the approval?

Not sure quite when the start of the approval process is defined, but it
was subject to various significant feasibility studies from 2003 onwards
(there's a list at Wikipedia).

>It managed to overtake Cambridge South!

I don't recollect any excitement about a Cambridge South station going
back further than Cambridge North. At the Millenium, it still hadn't
been recognised that Cambridge was going to become a significant
Bio-centre (rather than computing).
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Basil Jet - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:46 UTC

On 22/06/2021 10:19, Basil Jet wrote:
> On 22/06/2021 09:57, JGD wrote:
>> From:
>> https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permission-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>>
>>
>> 'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to build
>> a four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the biomedical
>> campus.
>>
>> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern
>> fringe, It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End,
>> London Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>>
>> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'
>
> So Ely & Audley End are worth mentioning but Harlow & Stevenage are not?
>

Whoops, just noticed the article was in an Ely newspaper, so Ely was
definitely worth mentioning.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
2000 - Good Looking Blues - Laika

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:31 UTC

In message <sasf2d$opf$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:46:37 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> remarked:
>On 22/06/2021 10:19, Basil Jet wrote:
>> On 22/06/2021 09:57, JGD wrote:
>>> From:
>>>https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/network-rail-seeks-permissi
>>>on-for-cambridge-south-station-8074686
>>>
>>> 'Network Rail has applied for a Transport and Works Act Order to
>>>build a four-platform station serving southern Cambridge and the
>>>biomedical campus.
>>>
>>> It is hoped the station will help growth on Cambridge's southern
>>>fringe, It will provide links to Stansted Airport, Ely, Audley End,
>>>London Liverpool Street and St Pancras.'
>>>
>>> 'Work could start on the station in 2022.'
>> So Ely & Audley End are worth mentioning but Harlow & Stevenage are
>>not?
>
>Whoops, just noticed the article was in an Ely newspaper, so Ely was
>definitely worth mentioning.

There is a significant commuter flow from Ely to Cambridge (and from
places further from Cambridge). On some trains about half the
full/standing load used to get off at Cambridge, to be replaced by
Cambridge people travelling to London.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:51 UTC

In message <sasei1$1hpp$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:37:53 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, MrSpook_nkct1yw@mkco9y.info remarked:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:46:50 +0100
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <sasa9l$cpo$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:25:08 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>2021, Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> remarked:
>>
>>>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>>
>>>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of that
>>>>absurd guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge
>>>>north station isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>>>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.
>>
>>Also there's no such thing as a rebuild of "The Huntingdon Line" because
>>it ends at St Ives. That's one thing the buses are able to achieve - a
>>final destination at several sources/sinks of passengers *beyond* St
>>Ives.
>
>Using that logic lets rip up all railway lines and convert them to busways.

That makes no sense at all. Apart from anything else, a busway is only
better than a branch line for end-to-end trips up to about 45mins, and
is rarely better than a main line. Cambridge to St Ives was of course, a
lightly used branch line.

>>The guided bus is also doing a pretty good job at the moment of
>>shuttling passengers (and students) between central Cambridge and the
>>bio campus/6th Form College, even if its originally envisaged role as
>>the bus for the Trumpington Park and Ride has been less successful.
>
>And it couldn't do that using the normal roads?

The local roads are pretty much gridlocked at peak periods.
--
Roland Perry

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Subject: Re: Cambridge South
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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:52 UTC

In message <sasekj$1j6l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:39:15 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, MrSpook_fxdud83r_a@6qy_96gu8a.co.uk remarked:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:56:51 +0100
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <sasau1$1o84$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:36:02 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>2021, MrSpook_gdrTt9xw@cg4lmvn.tv remarked:
>>>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:25:08 +0100
>>>Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> wrote:
>>>>On 22/06/2021 10:12, MrSpook_024bWs2s0a@r5o9_m8wjgwkyz.gov.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Shame they couldn't have rebuilt the huntingdon line instead of
>>>>>that absurd
>>
>>>>> guided busway, the most recent part of which from cambridge north station
>>>>> isn't even guided, its just a road. Brilliant.
>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry if it wasn't guided enough for you,
>>>>a lot of the English buses have steering wheels.
>>>
>>>Yes, and guess what, that allows them to drive on the now upgraded A14!
>>>There was no reason to rip up the railway to convert into that white
>>>elephant other than county councillers legacy building.
>>
>>If it had been reinstated as a railway (only to St Ives, remember) it
>>was in such a poor state it would have required "ripping up" and
>>completely rebuilding, anyway. And heaven knows what they'd have done
>>about the several level crossings en-route (one of them on a major
>>road).
>
>You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert the
>trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.

How many level crossings across dual carriageways?
--
Roland Perry

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From: theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo)
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 by: Theo - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:08 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sasekj$1j6l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:39:15 on Tue, 22 Jun
> 2021, MrSpook_fxdud83r_a@6qy_96gu8a.co.uk remarked:
> >>
> >>If it had been reinstated as a railway (only to St Ives, remember) it
> >>was in such a poor state it would have required "ripping up" and
> >>completely rebuilding, anyway. And heaven knows what they'd have done
> >>about the several level crossings en-route (one of them on a major
> >>road).
> >
> >You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert the
> >trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.
>
> How many level crossings across dual carriageways?

To which dual carriageway do you refer?

Theo

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 by: MrSpook_...@cfjjv291n8t.gov.uk - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:40 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:51:34 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <sasei1$1hpp$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:37:53 on Tue, 22 Jun
>2021, MrSpook_nkct1yw@mkco9y.info remarked:
>>Using that logic lets rip up all railway lines and convert them to busways.
>
>That makes no sense at all. Apart from anything else, a busway is only
>better than a branch line for end-to-end trips up to about 45mins, and
>is rarely better than a main line. Cambridge to St Ives was of course, a
>lightly used branch line.

The line used to continue to Huntingdon and connect with the ECML. Most of
the trackbed is still there and could easily have been restored.

>>>The guided bus is also doing a pretty good job at the moment of
>>>shuttling passengers (and students) between central Cambridge and the
>>>bio campus/6th Form College, even if its originally envisaged role as
>>>the bus for the Trumpington Park and Ride has been less successful.
>>
>>And it couldn't do that using the normal roads?
>
>The local roads are pretty much gridlocked at peak periods.

How many local roads does the bus lane skip? Not many. In reality its a
very expensive alternative to the A14.

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 by: MrSpook_...@54tomaq2fqtp6maw79.ac.uk - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:43 UTC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:52:55 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <sasekj$1j6l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:39:15 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert the
>>trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.
>
>How many level crossings across dual carriageways?

Are you saying the railway had a level crossing with the A14? I don't think so.
As for Milton road, so what? One train every 20 mins or so is hardly going to
clog up the traffic.

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:03 UTC

In message <wXB*0Ghny@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 14:08:34 on Tue,
22 Jun 2021, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sasekj$1j6l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:39:15 on Tue, 22 Jun
>> 2021, MrSpook_fxdud83r_a@6qy_96gu8a.co.uk remarked:
>> >>
>> >>If it had been reinstated as a railway (only to St Ives, remember) it
>> >>was in such a poor state it would have required "ripping up" and
>> >>completely rebuilding, anyway. And heaven knows what they'd have done
>> >>about the several level crossings en-route (one of them on a major
>> >>road).
>> >
>> >You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert the
>> >trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.
>>
>> How many level crossings across dual carriageways?
>
>To which dual carriageway do you refer?

This one, obviously: https://goo.gl/maps/JbkyMFajNjuYipxx5
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Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:07 UTC

In message <sasp87$q53$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 13:40:23 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, MrSpook_z9gu098m0q@cfjjv291n8t.gov.uk remarked:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:51:34 +0100
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <sasei1$1hpp$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:37:53 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>2021, MrSpook_nkct1yw@mkco9y.info remarked:
>>>Using that logic lets rip up all railway lines and convert them to busways.
>>
>>That makes no sense at all. Apart from anything else, a busway is only
>>better than a branch line for end-to-end trips up to about 45mins, and
>>is rarely better than a main line. Cambridge to St Ives was of course, a
>>lightly used branch line.
>
>The line used to continue to Huntingdon and connect with the ECML. Most of
>the trackbed is still there and could easily have been restored.

You are misinformed. The trackbed from the former St Ives station for
quite some distance towards Huntingdon is missing, as it that through
Godmanchester, across the river, and all the way to Huntingdon station.

The only bit which sort-of-exists is an embankment across an SSI meadow,
and good luck getting that rebuilt.

>>>>The guided bus is also doing a pretty good job at the moment of
>>>>shuttling passengers (and students) between central Cambridge and the
>>>>bio campus/6th Form College, even if its originally envisaged role as
>>>>the bus for the Trumpington Park and Ride has been less successful.
>>>
>>>And it couldn't do that using the normal roads?
>>
>>The local roads are pretty much gridlocked at peak periods.
>
>How many local roads does the bus lane skip? Not many. In reality its a
>very expensive alternative to the A14.

You are misinformed. The A14 does not form any part of a sensible route
from central Cambridge to the bio campus/6th form college.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:09 UTC

In message <saspdo$t45$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 13:43:20 on Tue, 22 Jun
2021, MrSpook_cxhecl3@54tomaq2fqtp6maw79.ac.uk remarked:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:52:55 +0100
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <sasekj$1j6l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:39:15 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>>You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert the
>>>trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.
>>
>>How many level crossings across dual carriageways?
>
>Are you saying the railway had a level crossing with the A14? I don't think so.

No, the A10.

>As for Milton road, so what? One train every 20 mins or so is hardly going to
>clog up the traffic.

One train every 20 minutes is part of the problem. About a tenth of the
capacity that's currently provided by the buses.
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Roland Perry

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 by: Basil Jet - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 15:36 UTC

On 22/06/2021 15:09, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <saspdo$t45$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 13:43:20 on Tue, 22 Jun
> 2021, MrSpook_cxhecl3@54tomaq2fqtp6maw79.ac.uk remarked:
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:52:55 +0100
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <sasekj$1j6l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:39:15 on Tue, 22 Jun
>>>> You mean just like Island Line then? They had the wit not to convert
>>>> the
>>>> trackbed into a busway but are renewing everything instead.
>>>
>>> How many level crossings across dual carriageways?
>>
>> Are you saying the railway had a level crossing with the A14? I don't
>> think so.
>
> No, the A10.

The A1309, or former A10, is not a dual carriageway.

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