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From: spa...@jackalope.uk (Mike Holmans)
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 by: Mike Holmans - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:30 UTC

Killed in a car crash.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: RH - Sun, 15 May 2022 08:20 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> Killed in a car crash.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike

Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > Killed in a car crash.
> >
> Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH

Really not the time

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From: spa...@jackalope.uk (Mike Holmans)
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 by: Mike Holmans - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:23 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 03:19:21 -0700 (PDT), Hamish Laws
<hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
>> > Killed in a car crash.
>> >
>> Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
>
>Really not the time

One can rely on the inhuman beast to demonstrate his inhumanity
whenever the opportunity arises.

Cheers,

Mike

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On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:20:22 UTC+1, RH wrote:

> Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH

Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.

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 by: RH - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:35 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:23:22 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 03:19:21 -0700 (PDT), Hamish Laws
> <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> >> > Killed in a car crash.
> >> >
> >> Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> >
> >Really not the time
> One can rely on the inhuman beast to demonstrate his inhumanity
> whenever the opportunity arises.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike

master Unwholesome rejects the truth again ... RH

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 by: Richard Dixon - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:35 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 06:30:32 UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> Killed in a car crash.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike

Particularly love this anecdote from Key's book. No-nonsense !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSx-GAmXwAIMF7R?format=png

Richard

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 by: RH - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:38 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:19:22 AM UTC+1, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > > Killed in a car crash.
> > >
> > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> Really not the time

The time for truth is always the time... RH

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: RH - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:39 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:35:08 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:20:22 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>
> > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.

Ever the person who tells the truth.
RH

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: Richard Dixon - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:40 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:39:16 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:35:08 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:20:22 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> >
> > > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> > Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.
> Ever the person who tells the truth.
> RH

And replying to a message on here within 4 minutes.

uk.sport.cricket is your social life, isn't it, you absolute tragic?

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: RH - Sun, 15 May 2022 12:44 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:40:41 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:39:16 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:35:08 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:20:22 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > >
> > > > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> > > Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.
> > Ever the person who tells the truth.
> > RH
> And replying to a message on here within 4 minutes.
>
> uk.sport.cricket is your social life, isn't it, you absolute tragic?

Oh dear, Very PC Dixon projects his tiny life ... RH

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In message <mu318ht76ojrq5r952rlcd56vbgqqd0482@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
<spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>Killed in a car crash.

Yes, RIP.
--
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 by: Nasti Chestikov - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:13 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:40:41 UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:39:16 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:35:08 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:20:22 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > >
> > > > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> > > Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.
> > Ever the person who tells the truth.
> > RH
> And replying to a message on here within 4 minutes.
>
> uk.sport.cricket is your social life, isn't it, you absolute tragic?

I'm 100% English but if you gave me the choice of playing for Australia or England, I'd choose Australia every time.

Not sure what the angst is with RH's post?

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: RH - Sun, 15 May 2022 17:51 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:40:41 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:39:16 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:35:08 AM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:20:22 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > >
> > > > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> > > Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.
> > Ever the person who tells the truth.
> > RH
> And replying to a message on here within 4 minutes.

Nope:

RIP Andrew Symonds

Mike Holmans
6:30 AM (12 hours ago)
Killed in a car crash. Cheers, Mike

RH
9:20 AM (9 hours ago)
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>
> uk.sport.cricket is your social life, isn't it, you absolute tragic?

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 by: jack fredricks - Sun, 15 May 2022 18:18 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:19:22 PM UTC+10, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > > Killed in a car crash.
> > >
> > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> Really not the time

Meh. Who cares.
The main issue is RH's post is meaningless.
Roy's loyalties were 100% with Australia. That should be celebrated. Roy loved Australia and made his life here.
Only 1 person in this ng has a problem with that fact.

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 by: RH - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:04 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:18:52 PM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:19:22 PM UTC+10, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > > > Killed in a car crash.
> > > >
> > > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> > Really not the time
> Meh. Who cares.
> The main issue is RH's post is meaningless.
> Roy's loyalties were 100% with Australia. That should be celebrated. Roy loved Australia and made his life here.
> Only 1 person in this ng has a problem with that fact.

He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties were revealed publicly Next! RH .

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 by: RH - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:05 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:18:52 PM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:19:22 PM UTC+10, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:30:32 AM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > > > Killed in a car crash.
> > > >
> > > Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH
> > Really not the time
> Meh. Who cares.
> The main issue is RH's post is meaningless.
> Roy's loyalties were 100% with Australia. That should be celebrated. Roy loved Australia and made his life here.
> Only 1 person in this ng has a problem with that fact.

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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
were revealed publicly Next! RH .

Ignoring the mischaracterisation.. yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie. Was, that is.

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 by: RH - Mon, 16 May 2022 08:37 UTC

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
> were revealed publicly Next! RH .
> Ignoring the mischaracterisation.

What mischaractisation ?

.. yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.

But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH

Was, that is.

He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH

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 by: Najeeb ybo - Mon, 16 May 2022 12:02 UTC

On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
> > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
> > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
> What mischaractisation ?
> . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
> But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
>
> Was, that is.
>
> He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH

He had to choose between the best team and England. Maybe he didn't want to lower his standards.

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 by: David North - Mon, 16 May 2022 13:02 UTC

On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
> > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
> > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
> What mischaractisation ?
> . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
> But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
>
> Was, that is.
>
> He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH

What evidence do you have of him pretending to be English and calling himself English?

I'm not sure what declarations (if any) he had to make at the time, but the current one does not require a player to declare that he is English (or Welsh, British, etc).

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 by: RH - Mon, 16 May 2022 13:03 UTC

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 1:02:55 PM UTC+1, Najeeb ybo wrote:
> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
> > > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
> > > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
> > What mischaractisation ?
> > . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
> > But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
> >
> > Was, that is.
> >
> > He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH
> He had to choose between the best team and England. Maybe he didn't want to lower his standards.

Thank you for demonstrating your incomprehension of the purpose of national sides... RH

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 by: Mike Holmans - Mon, 16 May 2022 14:33 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 06:02:56 -0700 (PDT), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>> > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
>> > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
>> > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
>> What mischaractisation ?
>> . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
>> But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
>>
>> Was, that is.
>>
>> He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH
>
>What evidence do you have of him pretending to be English and calling himself English?

Probably the same evidence as he had that counties raise a lot of
money - his own unbounded imagination, wholly untethered to reality or
sense.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: RH - Mon, 16 May 2022 15:10 UTC

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 2:02:57 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
> > > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
> > > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
> > What mischaractisation ?
> > . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
> > But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
> >
> > Was, that is.
> >
> > He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH
> What evidence do you have of him pretending to be English and calling himself English?
>
> I'm not sure what declarations (if any) he had to make at the time, but the current one does not require a player to declare that he is English (or Welsh, British, etc).

Wikipaedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Symonds#English_counties
Symonds played for four English counties during his career—Gloucestershire, Kent, Lancashire and Surrey.[15] Symonds first appearance for an English county was with Gloucestershire.[20] Initially he was considered an England-qualified player, however, following his first season of county cricket in 1995 he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia when he chose not to tour Pakistan with the England A team.[15]

https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm

Symonds was born in Birmingham which made him eligible to play for England and was selected in ‘A’ side as well for the tour of Pakistan in 1995. He was only 20 years old then and harboured a dream to play for Australia as he was brought up in down under. He duly refused to play for England A for the same reason.

After rejecting a chance to play for England, Symonds returned to feature Queensland but failed to make it to the Australia team. In disappointment, Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected.

However, as fate had it for him and thanks to his desire, Symonds’ dream to play for Australia came true in 1998 when he was picked for the Australia tour. He made his international debut in an ODI on November 10, 1998 and went on to amass 5088 runs with six tons and 30 fifties for his country in the format apart from picking 133 wickets.

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 by: max.it - Mon, 16 May 2022 15:47 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:33:52 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 06:02:56 -0700 (PDT), David North
><nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>>> > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
>>> > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
>>> > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
>>> What mischaractisation ?
>>> . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
>>> But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
>>>
>>> Was, that is.
>>>
>>> He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH
>>
>>What evidence do you have of him pretending to be English and calling himself English?
>
>Probably the same evidence as he had that counties raise a lot of
>money - his own unbounded imagination, wholly untethered to reality or
>sense.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike

Symonds is being castigated for choosing Australia over England, but
had he chosen England the resident racist spunkbucket would have said
that he wasn't unequivocally English.

max.it

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