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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: jack fredricks - Mon, 16 May 2022 21:01 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:47:52 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
> Symonds is being castigated for choosing Australia over England

By 1 racist clown.

Roy was an Aussie, through and through.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:30:28 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:

Qld is in tears.

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 by: alvey - Mon, 16 May 2022 21:14 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:33:52 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
> Probably the same evidence as he had that counties raise a lot of
> money - his own unbounded imagination, wholly untethered to reality or
> sense.

I still don't understand why you bother with Henderson. In the immortal
words of the philosopher Joe Walsh, "You can't argue with a sick mind".

alvey

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 by: John Hall - Tue, 17 May 2022 09:12 UTC

In message <93d87ad5-5aab-4e4d-81ec-36699657ac0fn@googlegroups.com>,
jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes
>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:47:52 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
>> Symonds is being castigated for choosing Australia over England
>
>By 1 racist clown.
>
>Roy was an Aussie, through and through.

I see from his obituary that his foster parents took the family to
Australia when he was only three months old, and that he grew up and was
educated there. Based on that, it's hard to argue that he ought to have
thrown in his cricketing lot with England.
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 by: RH - Tue, 17 May 2022 09:25 UTC

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:14:24 PM UTC+1, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:33:52 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>
> > Probably the same evidence as he had that counties raise a lot of
> > money - his own unbounded imagination, wholly untethered to reality or
> > sense.
> I still don't understand why you bother with Henderson. In the immortal
> words of the philosopher Joe Walsh, "You can't argue with a sick mind".
>
>
>
> alvey

Oh dear, yet another liberal bigot devoid of argument ... RH

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 by: David North - Tue, 17 May 2022 12:54 UTC

On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 16:10:29 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 2:02:57 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 09:37:32 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:08:06 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 5:04:08 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > > > He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team that his true loyalties
> > > > were revealed publicly Next! RH .
> > > > Ignoring the mischaracterisation.
> > > What mischaractisation ?
> > > . yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie.
> > > But he pretended to be English when it suited him. RH
> > >
> > > Was, that is.
> > >
> > > He was happy to call himself English until his bluff was called. From memory I think it was Ray Illingworth who was responsible for calling his bluff. rH
> > What evidence do you have of him pretending to be English and calling himself English?
> >
> > I'm not sure what declarations (if any) he had to make at the time, but the current one does not require a player to declare that he is English (or Welsh, British, etc).
> Wikipaedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Symonds#English_counties
> Symonds played for four English counties during his career—Gloucestershire, Kent, Lancashire and Surrey.[15] Symonds first appearance for an English county was with Gloucestershire.[20] Initially he was considered an England-qualified player, however, following his first season of county cricket in 1995 he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia when he chose not to tour Pakistan with the England A team.[15]
>
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> https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm
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> Symonds was born in Birmingham which made him eligible to play for England and was selected in ‘A’ side as well for the tour of Pakistan in 1995. He was only 20 years old then and harboured a dream to play for Australia as he was brought up in down under. He duly refused to play for England A for the same reason.
>
> After rejecting a chance to play for England, Symonds returned to feature Queensland but failed to make it to the Australia team. In disappointment, Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected.
>
> However, as fate had it for him and thanks to his desire, Symonds’ dream to play for Australia came true in 1998 when he was picked for the Australia tour. He made his international debut in an ODI on November 10, 1998 and went on to amass 5088 runs with six tons and 30 fifties for his country in the format apart from picking 133 wickets.

None of that says that he pretended to be English or called himself English.. It does, however, say that "he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia" after one season of county cricket, not after "he had been playing in England for some years" as you claimed.

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 05:54:48 -0700 (PDT), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>None of that says that he pretended to be English or called himself English. It does, however, say that "he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia" after one season of county cricket, not after "he had been playing in England for some years" as you claimed.

That depends on how you take the Kolpak clause about making oneself
available for England if selected.

Saying that you will while having no intention of doing so if actually
selected is at least arguably pretending to be English. But it is hard
to argue that someone is pretending to be English when they keep
saying they're Australian.

However, saying that you don't particularly want to play for England
has no effect at all on whether you are eligible for selection because
you fit the criteria. You can't pretend to be eligible for selection:
you either are or you aren't, so unless you're busy forging birth
certificates, you have no control over it at all.

Cheers,

Mike

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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:01:28 PM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:47:52 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
> > Symonds is being castigated for choosing Australia over England
> By 1 racist clown.
>
> Roy was an Aussie, through and through.

"Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected."

https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:54:49 PM UTC+10, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> None of that says that he pretended to be English or called himself English. It does, however, say that "he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia" after one season of county cricket, not after "he had been playing in England for some years" as you claimed.

As someone with a similar life story to Roy (born in England, raised in Aus), I can assure everyone it's possible to feel a true bond to 2 different countries.
If I was offered the chance to play for both countries my heart would say "England" but my head would say "Australia". My life is here. I have friends and family here. Moving overseas ("forever") is a big ask, especially if professionally the alternative (staying in Aus) is just as good if not better.

Perhaps Roy felt the same way, and was lucky enough to actually get to make that choice.
Then again, Roy chose to live in Townsville. That says a lot about a person.. It mainly says "he'd not be happy in London".

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 11:56:53 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> "Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected."

If I played for Gloucestershire for 3 years I'd also want to play cricket elsewhere.

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:23:14 PM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:54:49 PM UTC+10, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co..uk wrote:
> > None of that says that he pretended to be English or called himself English. It does, however, say that "he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia" after one season of county cricket, not after "he had been playing in England for some years" as you claimed.

"Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected."

https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm

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On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 07:35:33 UTC+1, RH wrote:

> "Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected."
> https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm
>
> Next! RH

There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
From: jzfredri...@gmail.com (jack fredricks)
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 by: jack fredricks - Wed, 18 May 2022 21:22 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:44:48 AM UTC+10, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
> There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............

There's nothing to say.

RH's ever changing and poorly articulated position on who is English and who is not most probably classifies Roy as "Not English".
Now RH is complaining that Roy didn't play for England? RH should be happy.

It simply looks to me like Roy went from "wanting to play for England" to "wanting to play for Australia" at some stage AFTER signing for Gloucs. He was a young man forced to make a long-term choice.
There's zero evidence he, with intent, deceived anyone.

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: RH - Thu, 19 May 2022 06:20 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:23:00 PM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:44:48 AM UTC+10, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
> > There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............
> There's nothing to say.
>
> RH's ever changing and poorly articulated position on who is English and who is not most probably classifies Roy as "Not English".
> Now RH is complaining that Roy didn't play for England? RH should be happy.
>
> It simply looks to me like Roy went from "wanting to play for England" to "wanting to play for Australia" at some stage AFTER signing for Gloucs. He was a young man forced to make a long-term choice.
> There's zero evidence he, with intent, deceived anyone.

Dear oh dear. He clearly had no intent to play for England as was evidenced by his rejecting of England as soon as his bluff was called by his selection for England. RH

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:20:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> He clearly had no intent to play for England

The contract he signed is tangible evidence of otherwise.
You have nothing but your imagination.

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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 by: RH - Thu, 19 May 2022 10:16 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:45:07 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:20:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > He clearly had no intent to play for England
> The contract he signed is tangible evidence of otherwise.
> You have nothing but your imagination.

He signed the CC contract simply to allow him to gain entry to the CC. Next! RH .H

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Subject: Re: RIP Andrew Symonds
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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:16:47 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> He signed the CC contract simply to allow him to gain entry to the CC. Next! RH .H

So long as you understand that's pure speculation.

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:16:47 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:

You've not answered this yet - did you consider Roy English? Up until he made his decision, that is.

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 by: RH - Thu, 19 May 2022 11:08 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 11:56:44 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:16:47 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> You've not answered this yet - did you consider Roy English? Up until he made his decision, that is.

Nope because he was not English ... RH

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 by: Richard Dixon - Thu, 19 May 2022 12:54 UTC

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 17:44:48 UTC+1, Nasti Chestikov wrote:

> There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............

Now now Robert. No-one likes a fake email account.

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 by: Mike Holmans - Thu, 19 May 2022 13:17 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 05:54:32 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon
<richsdixon1975@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 17:44:48 UTC+1, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
>
>> There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............
>
>Now now Robert. No-one likes a fake email account.

That's not the village idiot himself. It's another idiot. I'd guess
he's complaining that no-one sensible is getting involved in some
argument between inhabitants of bozo bins.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: jack fredricks - Thu, 19 May 2022 13:42 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 11:17:24 PM UTC+10, Mike Holmans wrote:
> >Now now Robert. No-one likes a fake email account.
> That's not the village idiot himself. It's another idiot. I'd guess
> he's complaining that no-one sensible is getting involved in some
> argument between inhabitants of bozo bins.

First they came for the Australian cricketers, and I did not speak out—because I was not an Australian cricketer.

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 by: max.it - Thu, 19 May 2022 20:00 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:12:09 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2022 05:54:48 -0700 (PDT), David North
><nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>None of that says that he pretended to be English or called himself English. It does, however, say that "he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia" after one season of county cricket, not after "he had been playing in England for some years" as you claimed.
>
>That depends on how you take the Kolpak clause about making oneself
>available for England if selected.
>
>Saying that you will while having no intention of doing so if actually
>selected is at least arguably pretending to be English. But it is hard
>to argue that someone is pretending to be English when they keep
>saying they're Australian.
>
>However, saying that you don't particularly want to play for England
>has no effect at all on whether you are eligible for selection because
>you fit the criteria. You can't pretend to be eligible for selection:
>you either are or you aren't, so unless you're busy forging birth
>certificates, you have no control over it at all.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike

https://northerncricketunion.org/database/2022/news/articles/article1631.shtml

Luke's honesty about his future international ambitions has lost him
his place in the FC competition.
I like honesty.

max.it

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 by: max.it - Thu, 19 May 2022 21:00 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 14:17:22 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2022 05:54:32 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon
><richsdixon1975@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 17:44:48 UTC+1, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
>>
>>> There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............
>>
>>Now now Robert. No-one likes a fake email account.
>
>That's not the village idiot himself. It's another idiot. I'd guess
>he's complaining that no-one sensible is getting involved in some
>argument between inhabitants of bozo bins.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike

Posterity shall not survey a nobler grave than this,
Here lies the bones in the BoZo bin.
Stop traveller and piss.

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 by: RH - Fri, 20 May 2022 06:27 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 1:54:33 PM UTC+1, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 17:44:48 UTC+1, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
>
> > There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............
> Now now Robert. No-one likes a fake email account.

Unlike liberal bigot members of the ng I do not post fake accounts... RH

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