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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 16:51 UTC

A cyclist has recalled the shocking road rage incident which saw him assaulted after questioning a driver's mobile phone use behind the wheel.

The rider, who will remain anonymous throughout this article, told road.cc they are still yet to receive the £500 compensation a judge at Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving licence.

"What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to other road users," the rider, whose bike suffered £450 worth of damage in the incident on the King's Road, Chelsea, on Christmas Eve 2021 told us.

The cyclist was returning from volunteering for disadvantaged youths in west London when James pulled out in front of him, blocking the road.

"I could see the driver had a phone held up to his left ear and was talking into it and was not wearing his seat belt," the rider explained. "I asked the driver 'what are you on the phone for?'. The phone screen was clearly lit up in an active call.

"I said 'you shouldn't be on the phone while driving'. He responded 'you shouldn't be talking while riding'. When he said the word 'riding' he lunged at me with his right hand and struck me on the left side of my head. He then accelerated off as I said 'don't hit me — that's an assault — I'll be reporting you, you'll be reported, sir'.

"He told me to 'f*** off' and I respond with a 'thank you' and started to cycle away. I could see the driver turn his steering wheel to the right as I cycled away.

"I could sense what was about to happen and prepared to take evasive action.. A second or two later he accelerated hard, whilst shouting 'get out of the road'. The vehicle then collided with my leg and bike.

"I said to him 'that's the second assault, I'll be calling the police, you've just hit me' as I picked my bike up off the floor. He responded 'shut up you f****** mug' and accelerated away.

"The vehicle was held up at a zebra crossing with pedestrians crossing. I limped my damaged bike to the pavement and approached the BMW on the passenger side to tell the driver I'd be reporting him.

"He continued to hold his phone in his left hand in a phone call as a female pedestrian walked across the zebra crossing. Obviously angry, he failed to give way and narrowly missed her, accelerating off at speed."

The rider told us he was "blown away with the kindness" of those passing who checked he was okay and provided witness statements.

"As I said, this happened on Christmas Eve. This incident very much destroyed my family Christmas as I was in a very stressed state and couldn't stop replaying in my head what happened," they continued.

"I was lucky the bruising to my leg was minimal as I'd managed to leap off my bike as the collision happened. Damage to my bike caused by the collision included popping out many spokes, bending my rear wheel/cassette/gear assembly/brakes, totalling £450 in repairs.

"A damage report by the amazing guys at CycleWorks Kennington was submitted to the police but not submitted in court. I had to report this myself in court to the magistrate in order to get compensation."

Having provided an online statement to the Metropolitan Police the cyclist was later asked to provide an in-person statement at Hammersmith police station and in April 2022 received a "generic letter" informing "after careful review it has been decided that no further action will be taken".

"I couldn't believe this decision had been made. I contacted the investigating officer who stated that this letter was from the Met Police Traffic Unit but he was still being prosecuted by a different department for common assault, and driving without due care and consideration," our reader explained.

"I thought the video evidence I provided was compelling: offences I can see include using a phone whilst driving, failing to wear a seatbelt, dangerous driving, failing to stop after an accident and failing to give way on a zebra crossing. I have no idea why they decided these offences were not worthy of further action.

"I wanted to claim against his insurance to repair my bike, but had to take legal advice to compel the police to release the driver's insurance details as the vehicle was a company car and had multiple policies against it. I finally found out that the driver was insured with ERS and have sent various emails to them but have not had any response [a silence repeated to road.cc'suest for comment]."

In the meantime our reader twice attended Westminster Magistrate's Court, once in July and then again in September 2022, but both times James failed to show up.

"To save wasting everyone's time again, the magistrate gave instructions that I should give evidence without the driver being present," he continued. "The driver's hearing finally took place in November where he plead guilty to the charges [below]."

Common assault
Use of threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour with intent to cause fear of/provoke unlawful violence
Criminal damage to property valued under £5,000
Driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road/in a public place without due care and attention
Assault by beating

James was sentenced, with the judge taking the guilty plea into account, and received five penalty points on his driving licence, a £2,000 fine, £620 costs to the Crown Prosecution Service (collection order made), £200 victim surcharge and £500 compensation to the cyclist (still unreceived).

"The driver has still not paid a penny in compensation," our reader told us.. "I have again sent another email to his insurance in the vague hope of getting paid for repairs.

"What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to other road users. I don't post on social media, but hope this story shows how inadequate some of our legal processes are and that the rights of car drivers are put above the safety of cyclists."

https://road.cc/content/news/driver-assaulted-cyclist-questioning-mobile-phone-use-298665

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 by: Spike - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:08 UTC

My goodness!

“Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
£2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving
licence.”

Where is justice here?

A cyclist killed - yes, KILLED - a motorcyclist and was fined a PALTRY
£1000…the maximum allowed under the law.

It’s high time cyclists were brought into the full range of road law and
punishments, and this case highlights that need.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> A cyclist has recalled the shocking road rage incident which saw him
> assaulted after questioning a driver's mobile phone use behind the wheel.
>
> The rider, who will remain anonymous throughout this article, told
> road.cc they are still yet to receive the £500 compensation a judge at
> Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
> £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving licence.
>
> "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
> other road users," the rider, whose bike suffered £450 worth of damage in
> the incident on the King's Road, Chelsea, on Christmas Eve 2021 told us.
>
> The cyclist was returning from volunteering for disadvantaged youths in
> west London when James pulled out in front of him, blocking the road.
>
> "I could see the driver had a phone held up to his left ear and was
> talking into it and was not wearing his seat belt," the rider explained.
> "I asked the driver 'what are you on the phone for?'. The phone screen
> was clearly lit up in an active call.
>
> "I said 'you shouldn't be on the phone while driving'. He responded 'you
> shouldn't be talking while riding'. When he said the word 'riding' he
> lunged at me with his right hand and struck me on the left side of my
> head. He then accelerated off as I said 'don't hit me — that's an assault
> — I'll be reporting you, you'll be reported, sir'.
>
> "He told me to 'f*** off' and I respond with a 'thank you' and started to
> cycle away. I could see the driver turn his steering wheel to the right as I cycled away.
>
> "I could sense what was about to happen and prepared to take evasive
> action. A second or two later he accelerated hard, whilst shouting 'get
> out of the road'. The vehicle then collided with my leg and bike.
>
> "I said to him 'that's the second assault, I'll be calling the police,
> you've just hit me' as I picked my bike up off the floor. He responded
> 'shut up you f****** mug' and accelerated away.
>
> "The vehicle was held up at a zebra crossing with pedestrians crossing. I
> limped my damaged bike to the pavement and approached the BMW on the
> passenger side to tell the driver I'd be reporting him.
>
> "He continued to hold his phone in his left hand in a phone call as a
> female pedestrian walked across the zebra crossing. Obviously angry, he
> failed to give way and narrowly missed her, accelerating off at speed."
>
> The rider told us he was "blown away with the kindness" of those passing
> who checked he was okay and provided witness statements.
>
> "As I said, this happened on Christmas Eve. This incident very much
> destroyed my family Christmas as I was in a very stressed state and
> couldn't stop replaying in my head what happened," they continued.
>
> "I was lucky the bruising to my leg was minimal as I'd managed to leap
> off my bike as the collision happened. Damage to my bike caused by the
> collision included popping out many spokes, bending my rear
> wheel/cassette/gear assembly/brakes, totalling £450 in repairs.
>
> "A damage report by the amazing guys at CycleWorks Kennington was
> submitted to the police but not submitted in court. I had to report this
> myself in court to the magistrate in order to get compensation."
>
> Having provided an online statement to the Metropolitan Police the
> cyclist was later asked to provide an in-person statement at Hammersmith
> police station and in April 2022 received a "generic letter" informing
> "after careful review it has been decided that no further action will be taken".
>
> "I couldn't believe this decision had been made. I contacted the
> investigating officer who stated that this letter was from the Met Police
> Traffic Unit but he was still being prosecuted by a different department
> for common assault, and driving without due care and consideration," our reader explained.
>
> "I thought the video evidence I provided was compelling: offences I can
> see include using a phone whilst driving, failing to wear a seatbelt,
> dangerous driving, failing to stop after an accident and failing to give
> way on a zebra crossing. I have no idea why they decided these offences
> were not worthy of further action.
>
> "I wanted to claim against his insurance to repair my bike, but had to
> take legal advice to compel the police to release the driver's insurance
> details as the vehicle was a company car and had multiple policies
> against it. I finally found out that the driver was insured with ERS and
> have sent various emails to them but have not had any response [a silence
> repeated to road.cc'suest for comment]."
>
> In the meantime our reader twice attended Westminster Magistrate's Court,
> once in July and then again in September 2022, but both times James failed to show up.
>
> "To save wasting everyone's time again, the magistrate gave instructions
> that I should give evidence without the driver being present," he
> continued. "The driver's hearing finally took place in November where he
> plead guilty to the charges [below]."
>
> Common assault
> Use of threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour with intent to
> cause fear of/provoke unlawful violence
> Criminal damage to property valued under £5,000
> Driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road/in a public place
> without due care and attention
> Assault by beating
>
> James was sentenced, with the judge taking the guilty plea into account,
> and received five penalty points on his driving licence, a £2,000 fine,
> £620 costs to the Crown Prosecution Service (collection order made), £200
> victim surcharge and £500 compensation to the cyclist (still unreceived).
>
> "The driver has still not paid a penny in compensation," our reader told
> us. "I have again sent another email to his insurance in the vague hope
> of getting paid for repairs.
>
> "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
> other road users. I don't post on social media, but hope this story shows
> how inadequate some of our legal processes are and that the rights of car
> drivers are put above the safety of cyclists."
>
> https://road.cc/content/news/driver-assaulted-cyclist-questioning-mobile-phone-use-298665
>

--
Spike

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 by: Mike Collins - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:19 UTC

On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:08:51 UTC, Spike wrote:
> My goodness!
>
> “Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
> £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving
> licence.”
>
> Where is justice here?
>
> A cyclist killed - yes, KILLED - a motorcyclist and was fined a PALTRY
> £1000…the maximum allowed under the law.
>
> It’s high time cyclists were brought into the full range of road law and
> punishments, and this case highlights that need.
> swldx...@gmail.com <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A cyclist has recalled the shocking road rage incident which saw him
> > assaulted after questioning a driver's mobile phone use behind the wheel.
> >
> > The rider, who will remain anonymous throughout this article, told
> > road.cc they are still yet to receive the £500 compensation a judge at
> > Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
> > £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving licence.
> >
> > "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
> > other road users," the rider, whose bike suffered £450 worth of damage in
> > the incident on the King's Road, Chelsea, on Christmas Eve 2021 told us..
> >
> > The cyclist was returning from volunteering for disadvantaged youths in
> > west London when James pulled out in front of him, blocking the road.
> >
> > "I could see the driver had a phone held up to his left ear and was
> > talking into it and was not wearing his seat belt," the rider explained..
> > "I asked the driver 'what are you on the phone for?'. The phone screen
> > was clearly lit up in an active call.
> >
> > "I said 'you shouldn't be on the phone while driving'. He responded 'you
> > shouldn't be talking while riding'. When he said the word 'riding' he
> > lunged at me with his right hand and struck me on the left side of my
> > head. He then accelerated off as I said 'don't hit me — that's an assault
> > — I'll be reporting you, you'll be reported, sir'.
> >
> > "He told me to 'f*** off' and I respond with a 'thank you' and started to
> > cycle away. I could see the driver turn his steering wheel to the right as I cycled away.
> >
> > "I could sense what was about to happen and prepared to take evasive
> > action. A second or two later he accelerated hard, whilst shouting 'get
> > out of the road'. The vehicle then collided with my leg and bike.
> >
> > "I said to him 'that's the second assault, I'll be calling the police,
> > you've just hit me' as I picked my bike up off the floor. He responded
> > 'shut up you f****** mug' and accelerated away.
> >
> > "The vehicle was held up at a zebra crossing with pedestrians crossing. I
> > limped my damaged bike to the pavement and approached the BMW on the
> > passenger side to tell the driver I'd be reporting him.
> >
> > "He continued to hold his phone in his left hand in a phone call as a
> > female pedestrian walked across the zebra crossing. Obviously angry, he
> > failed to give way and narrowly missed her, accelerating off at speed."
> >
> > The rider told us he was "blown away with the kindness" of those passing
> > who checked he was okay and provided witness statements.
> >
> > "As I said, this happened on Christmas Eve. This incident very much
> > destroyed my family Christmas as I was in a very stressed state and
> > couldn't stop replaying in my head what happened," they continued.
> >
> > "I was lucky the bruising to my leg was minimal as I'd managed to leap
> > off my bike as the collision happened. Damage to my bike caused by the
> > collision included popping out many spokes, bending my rear
> > wheel/cassette/gear assembly/brakes, totalling £450 in repairs.
> >
> > "A damage report by the amazing guys at CycleWorks Kennington was
> > submitted to the police but not submitted in court. I had to report this
> > myself in court to the magistrate in order to get compensation."
> >
> > Having provided an online statement to the Metropolitan Police the
> > cyclist was later asked to provide an in-person statement at Hammersmith
> > police station and in April 2022 received a "generic letter" informing
> > "after careful review it has been decided that no further action will be taken".
> >
> > "I couldn't believe this decision had been made. I contacted the
> > investigating officer who stated that this letter was from the Met Police
> > Traffic Unit but he was still being prosecuted by a different department
> > for common assault, and driving without due care and consideration," our reader explained.
> >
> > "I thought the video evidence I provided was compelling: offences I can
> > see include using a phone whilst driving, failing to wear a seatbelt,
> > dangerous driving, failing to stop after an accident and failing to give
> > way on a zebra crossing. I have no idea why they decided these offences
> > were not worthy of further action.
> >
> > "I wanted to claim against his insurance to repair my bike, but had to
> > take legal advice to compel the police to release the driver's insurance
> > details as the vehicle was a company car and had multiple policies
> > against it. I finally found out that the driver was insured with ERS and
> > have sent various emails to them but have not had any response [a silence
> > repeated to road.cc'suest for comment]."
> >
> > In the meantime our reader twice attended Westminster Magistrate's Court,
> > once in July and then again in September 2022, but both times James failed to show up.
> >
> > "To save wasting everyone's time again, the magistrate gave instructions
> > that I should give evidence without the driver being present," he
> > continued. "The driver's hearing finally took place in November where he
> > plead guilty to the charges [below]."
> >
> > Common assault
> > Use of threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour with intent to
> > cause fear of/provoke unlawful violence
> > Criminal damage to property valued under £5,000
> > Driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road/in a public place
> > without due care and attention
> > Assault by beating
> >
> > James was sentenced, with the judge taking the guilty plea into account,
> > and received five penalty points on his driving licence, a £2,000 fine,
> > £620 costs to the Crown Prosecution Service (collection order made), £200
> > victim surcharge and £500 compensation to the cyclist (still unreceived).
> >
> > "The driver has still not paid a penny in compensation," our reader told
> > us. "I have again sent another email to his insurance in the vague hope
> > of getting paid for repairs.
> >
> > "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
> > other road users. I don't post on social media, but hope this story shows
> > how inadequate some of our legal processes are and that the rights of car
> > drivers are put above the safety of cyclists."
> >
> > https://road.cc/content/news/driver-assaulted-cyclist-questioning-mobile-phone-use-298665
> >
> --
> Spike

Tu Quoque

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 by: Peter Granger - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:39 UTC

On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:19:47 UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:08:51 UTC, Spike wrote:
> > My goodness!
> >
> > “Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
> > £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving
> > licence.”
> >
> > Where is justice here?
> >
> > A cyclist killed - yes, KILLED - a motorcyclist and was fined a PALTRY
> > £1000…the maximum allowed under the law.
> >
> > It’s high time cyclists were brought into the full range of road law and
> > punishments, and this case highlights that need.
> > swldx...@gmail.com <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > A cyclist has recalled the shocking road rage incident which saw him
> > > assaulted after questioning a driver's mobile phone use behind the wheel.
> > >
> > > The rider, who will remain anonymous throughout this article, told
> > > road.cc they are still yet to receive the £500 compensation a judge at
> > > Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
> > > £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving licence.
> > >
> > > "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
> > > other road users," the rider, whose bike suffered £450 worth of damage in
> > > the incident on the King's Road, Chelsea, on Christmas Eve 2021 told us.
> > >
> > > The cyclist was returning from volunteering for disadvantaged youths in
> > > west London when James pulled out in front of him, blocking the road.
> > >
> > > "I could see the driver had a phone held up to his left ear and was
> > > talking into it and was not wearing his seat belt," the rider explained.
> > > "I asked the driver 'what are you on the phone for?'. The phone screen
> > > was clearly lit up in an active call.
> > >
> > > "I said 'you shouldn't be on the phone while driving'. He responded 'you
> > > shouldn't be talking while riding'. When he said the word 'riding' he
> > > lunged at me with his right hand and struck me on the left side of my
> > > head. He then accelerated off as I said 'don't hit me — that's an assault
> > > — I'll be reporting you, you'll be reported, sir'.
> > >
> > > "He told me to 'f*** off' and I respond with a 'thank you' and started to
> > > cycle away. I could see the driver turn his steering wheel to the right as I cycled away.
> > >
> > > "I could sense what was about to happen and prepared to take evasive
> > > action. A second or two later he accelerated hard, whilst shouting 'get
> > > out of the road'. The vehicle then collided with my leg and bike.
> > >
> > > "I said to him 'that's the second assault, I'll be calling the police,
> > > you've just hit me' as I picked my bike up off the floor. He responded
> > > 'shut up you f****** mug' and accelerated away.
> > >
> > > "The vehicle was held up at a zebra crossing with pedestrians crossing. I
> > > limped my damaged bike to the pavement and approached the BMW on the
> > > passenger side to tell the driver I'd be reporting him.
> > >
> > > "He continued to hold his phone in his left hand in a phone call as a
> > > female pedestrian walked across the zebra crossing. Obviously angry, he
> > > failed to give way and narrowly missed her, accelerating off at speed.."
> > >
> > > The rider told us he was "blown away with the kindness" of those passing
> > > who checked he was okay and provided witness statements.
> > >
> > > "As I said, this happened on Christmas Eve. This incident very much
> > > destroyed my family Christmas as I was in a very stressed state and
> > > couldn't stop replaying in my head what happened," they continued.
> > >
> > > "I was lucky the bruising to my leg was minimal as I'd managed to leap
> > > off my bike as the collision happened. Damage to my bike caused by the
> > > collision included popping out many spokes, bending my rear
> > > wheel/cassette/gear assembly/brakes, totalling £450 in repairs.
> > >
> > > "A damage report by the amazing guys at CycleWorks Kennington was
> > > submitted to the police but not submitted in court. I had to report this
> > > myself in court to the magistrate in order to get compensation."
> > >
> > > Having provided an online statement to the Metropolitan Police the
> > > cyclist was later asked to provide an in-person statement at Hammersmith
> > > police station and in April 2022 received a "generic letter" informing
> > > "after careful review it has been decided that no further action will be taken".
> > >
> > > "I couldn't believe this decision had been made. I contacted the
> > > investigating officer who stated that this letter was from the Met Police
> > > Traffic Unit but he was still being prosecuted by a different department
> > > for common assault, and driving without due care and consideration," our reader explained.
> > >
> > > "I thought the video evidence I provided was compelling: offences I can
> > > see include using a phone whilst driving, failing to wear a seatbelt,
> > > dangerous driving, failing to stop after an accident and failing to give
> > > way on a zebra crossing. I have no idea why they decided these offences
> > > were not worthy of further action.
> > >
> > > "I wanted to claim against his insurance to repair my bike, but had to
> > > take legal advice to compel the police to release the driver's insurance
> > > details as the vehicle was a company car and had multiple policies
> > > against it. I finally found out that the driver was insured with ERS and
> > > have sent various emails to them but have not had any response [a silence
> > > repeated to road.cc'suest for comment]."
> > >
> > > In the meantime our reader twice attended Westminster Magistrate's Court,
> > > once in July and then again in September 2022, but both times James failed to show up.
> > >
> > > "To save wasting everyone's time again, the magistrate gave instructions
> > > that I should give evidence without the driver being present," he
> > > continued. "The driver's hearing finally took place in November where he
> > > plead guilty to the charges [below]."
> > >
> > > Common assault
> > > Use of threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour with intent to
> > > cause fear of/provoke unlawful violence
> > > Criminal damage to property valued under £5,000
> > > Driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road/in a public place
> > > without due care and attention
> > > Assault by beating
> > >
> > > James was sentenced, with the judge taking the guilty plea into account,
> > > and received five penalty points on his driving licence, a £2,000 fine,
> > > £620 costs to the Crown Prosecution Service (collection order made), £200
> > > victim surcharge and £500 compensation to the cyclist (still unreceived).
> > >
> > > "The driver has still not paid a penny in compensation," our reader told
> > > us. "I have again sent another email to his insurance in the vague hope
> > > of getting paid for repairs.
> > >
> > > "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
> > > other road users. I don't post on social media, but hope this story shows
> > > how inadequate some of our legal processes are and that the rights of car
> > > drivers are put above the safety of cyclists."
> > >
> > > https://road.cc/content/news/driver-assaulted-cyclist-questioning-mobile-phone-use-298665
> > >
> > --
> > Spike
> Tu Quoque

Did a 28-year URC veteran really just make that accusation?

*Really*?

Mason will accuse others of being thick next.

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 by: Spike - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:38 UTC

Peter Granger <PeterGranger@protonmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:19:47 UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:08:51 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>> My goodness!
>>>
>>> “Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
>>> £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving
>>> licence.”
>>>
>>> Where is justice here?
>>>
>>> A cyclist killed - yes, KILLED - a motorcyclist and was fined a PALTRY
>>> £1000…the maximum allowed under the law.
>>>
>>> It’s high time cyclists were brought into the full range of road law and
>>> punishments, and this case highlights that need.
>>> swldx...@gmail.com <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A cyclist has recalled the shocking road rage incident which saw him
>>>> assaulted after questioning a driver's mobile phone use behind the wheel.
>>>>
>>>> The rider, who will remain anonymous throughout this article, told
>>>> road.cc they are still yet to receive the £500 compensation a judge at
>>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
>>>> £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving licence.
>>>>
>>>> "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
>>>> other road users," the rider, whose bike suffered £450 worth of damage in
>>>> the incident on the King's Road, Chelsea, on Christmas Eve 2021 told us.
>>>>
>>>> The cyclist was returning from volunteering for disadvantaged youths in
>>>> west London when James pulled out in front of him, blocking the road.
>>>>
>>>> "I could see the driver had a phone held up to his left ear and was
>>>> talking into it and was not wearing his seat belt," the rider explained.
>>>> "I asked the driver 'what are you on the phone for?'. The phone screen
>>>> was clearly lit up in an active call.
>>>>
>>>> "I said 'you shouldn't be on the phone while driving'. He responded 'you
>>>> shouldn't be talking while riding'. When he said the word 'riding' he
>>>> lunged at me with his right hand and struck me on the left side of my
>>>> head. He then accelerated off as I said 'don't hit me — that's an assault
>>>> — I'll be reporting you, you'll be reported, sir'.
>>>>
>>>> "He told me to 'f*** off' and I respond with a 'thank you' and started to
>>>> cycle away. I could see the driver turn his steering wheel to the
>>>> right as I cycled away.
>>>>
>>>> "I could sense what was about to happen and prepared to take evasive
>>>> action. A second or two later he accelerated hard, whilst shouting 'get
>>>> out of the road'. The vehicle then collided with my leg and bike.
>>>>
>>>> "I said to him 'that's the second assault, I'll be calling the police,
>>>> you've just hit me' as I picked my bike up off the floor. He responded
>>>> 'shut up you f****** mug' and accelerated away.
>>>>
>>>> "The vehicle was held up at a zebra crossing with pedestrians crossing. I
>>>> limped my damaged bike to the pavement and approached the BMW on the
>>>> passenger side to tell the driver I'd be reporting him.
>>>>
>>>> "He continued to hold his phone in his left hand in a phone call as a
>>>> female pedestrian walked across the zebra crossing. Obviously angry, he
>>>> failed to give way and narrowly missed her, accelerating off at speed."
>>>>
>>>> The rider told us he was "blown away with the kindness" of those passing
>>>> who checked he was okay and provided witness statements.
>>>>
>>>> "As I said, this happened on Christmas Eve. This incident very much
>>>> destroyed my family Christmas as I was in a very stressed state and
>>>> couldn't stop replaying in my head what happened," they continued.
>>>>
>>>> "I was lucky the bruising to my leg was minimal as I'd managed to leap
>>>> off my bike as the collision happened. Damage to my bike caused by the
>>>> collision included popping out many spokes, bending my rear
>>>> wheel/cassette/gear assembly/brakes, totalling £450 in repairs.
>>>>
>>>> "A damage report by the amazing guys at CycleWorks Kennington was
>>>> submitted to the police but not submitted in court. I had to report this
>>>> myself in court to the magistrate in order to get compensation."
>>>>
>>>> Having provided an online statement to the Metropolitan Police the
>>>> cyclist was later asked to provide an in-person statement at Hammersmith
>>>> police station and in April 2022 received a "generic letter" informing
>>>> "after careful review it has been decided that no further action will be taken".
>>>>
>>>> "I couldn't believe this decision had been made. I contacted the
>>>> investigating officer who stated that this letter was from the Met Police
>>>> Traffic Unit but he was still being prosecuted by a different department
>>>> for common assault, and driving without due care and consideration,"
>>>> our reader explained.
>>>>
>>>> "I thought the video evidence I provided was compelling: offences I can
>>>> see include using a phone whilst driving, failing to wear a seatbelt,
>>>> dangerous driving, failing to stop after an accident and failing to give
>>>> way on a zebra crossing. I have no idea why they decided these offences
>>>> were not worthy of further action.
>>>>
>>>> "I wanted to claim against his insurance to repair my bike, but had to
>>>> take legal advice to compel the police to release the driver's insurance
>>>> details as the vehicle was a company car and had multiple policies
>>>> against it. I finally found out that the driver was insured with ERS and
>>>> have sent various emails to them but have not had any response [a silence
>>>> repeated to road.cc'suest for comment]."
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime our reader twice attended Westminster Magistrate's Court,
>>>> once in July and then again in September 2022, but both times James failed to show up.
>>>>
>>>> "To save wasting everyone's time again, the magistrate gave instructions
>>>> that I should give evidence without the driver being present," he
>>>> continued. "The driver's hearing finally took place in November where he
>>>> plead guilty to the charges [below]."
>>>>
>>>> Common assault
>>>> Use of threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour with intent to
>>>> cause fear of/provoke unlawful violence
>>>> Criminal damage to property valued under £5,000
>>>> Driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road/in a public place
>>>> without due care and attention
>>>> Assault by beating
>>>>
>>>> James was sentenced, with the judge taking the guilty plea into account,
>>>> and received five penalty points on his driving licence, a £2,000 fine,
>>>> £620 costs to the Crown Prosecution Service (collection order made), £200
>>>> victim surcharge and £500 compensation to the cyclist (still unreceived).
>>>>
>>>> "The driver has still not paid a penny in compensation," our reader told
>>>> us. "I have again sent another email to his insurance in the vague hope
>>>> of getting paid for repairs.
>>>>
>>>> "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
>>>> other road users. I don't post on social media, but hope this story shows
>>>> how inadequate some of our legal processes are and that the rights of car
>>>> drivers are put above the safety of cyclists."
>>>>
>>>> https://road.cc/content/news/driver-assaulted-cyclist-questioning-mobile-phone-use-298665
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Spike


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 by: Spike - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:38 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:08:51 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> My goodness!
>>
>> “Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
>> £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving
>> licence.”
>>
>> Where is justice here?
>>
>> A cyclist killed - yes, KILLED - a motorcyclist and was fined a PALTRY
>> £1000…the maximum allowed under the law.
>>
>> It’s high time cyclists were brought into the full range of road law and
>> punishments, and this case highlights that need.
>> swldx...@gmail.com <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> A cyclist has recalled the shocking road rage incident which saw him
>>> assaulted after questioning a driver's mobile phone use behind the wheel.
>>>
>>> The rider, who will remain anonymous throughout this article, told
>>> road.cc they are still yet to receive the £500 compensation a judge at
>>> Westminster Magistrate's Court ordered Akil James to pay along with a
>>> £2,000 fine and £820 costs on top of five penalty points on his driving licence.
>>>
>>> "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
>>> other road users," the rider, whose bike suffered £450 worth of damage in
>>> the incident on the King's Road, Chelsea, on Christmas Eve 2021 told us.
>>>
>>> The cyclist was returning from volunteering for disadvantaged youths in
>>> west London when James pulled out in front of him, blocking the road.
>>>
>>> "I could see the driver had a phone held up to his left ear and was
>>> talking into it and was not wearing his seat belt," the rider explained.
>>> "I asked the driver 'what are you on the phone for?'. The phone screen
>>> was clearly lit up in an active call.
>>>
>>> "I said 'you shouldn't be on the phone while driving'. He responded 'you
>>> shouldn't be talking while riding'. When he said the word 'riding' he
>>> lunged at me with his right hand and struck me on the left side of my
>>> head. He then accelerated off as I said 'don't hit me — that's an assault
>>> — I'll be reporting you, you'll be reported, sir'.
>>>
>>> "He told me to 'f*** off' and I respond with a 'thank you' and started to
>>> cycle away. I could see the driver turn his steering wheel to the right
>>> as I cycled away.
>>>
>>> "I could sense what was about to happen and prepared to take evasive
>>> action. A second or two later he accelerated hard, whilst shouting 'get
>>> out of the road'. The vehicle then collided with my leg and bike.
>>>
>>> "I said to him 'that's the second assault, I'll be calling the police,
>>> you've just hit me' as I picked my bike up off the floor. He responded
>>> 'shut up you f****** mug' and accelerated away.
>>>
>>> "The vehicle was held up at a zebra crossing with pedestrians crossing. I
>>> limped my damaged bike to the pavement and approached the BMW on the
>>> passenger side to tell the driver I'd be reporting him.
>>>
>>> "He continued to hold his phone in his left hand in a phone call as a
>>> female pedestrian walked across the zebra crossing. Obviously angry, he
>>> failed to give way and narrowly missed her, accelerating off at speed."
>>>
>>> The rider told us he was "blown away with the kindness" of those passing
>>> who checked he was okay and provided witness statements.
>>>
>>> "As I said, this happened on Christmas Eve. This incident very much
>>> destroyed my family Christmas as I was in a very stressed state and
>>> couldn't stop replaying in my head what happened," they continued.
>>>
>>> "I was lucky the bruising to my leg was minimal as I'd managed to leap
>>> off my bike as the collision happened. Damage to my bike caused by the
>>> collision included popping out many spokes, bending my rear
>>> wheel/cassette/gear assembly/brakes, totalling £450 in repairs.
>>>
>>> "A damage report by the amazing guys at CycleWorks Kennington was
>>> submitted to the police but not submitted in court. I had to report this
>>> myself in court to the magistrate in order to get compensation."
>>>
>>> Having provided an online statement to the Metropolitan Police the
>>> cyclist was later asked to provide an in-person statement at Hammersmith
>>> police station and in April 2022 received a "generic letter" informing
>>> "after careful review it has been decided that no further action will be taken".
>>>
>>> "I couldn't believe this decision had been made. I contacted the
>>> investigating officer who stated that this letter was from the Met Police
>>> Traffic Unit but he was still being prosecuted by a different department
>>> for common assault, and driving without due care and consideration,"
>>> our reader explained.
>>>
>>> "I thought the video evidence I provided was compelling: offences I can
>>> see include using a phone whilst driving, failing to wear a seatbelt,
>>> dangerous driving, failing to stop after an accident and failing to give
>>> way on a zebra crossing. I have no idea why they decided these offences
>>> were not worthy of further action.
>>>
>>> "I wanted to claim against his insurance to repair my bike, but had to
>>> take legal advice to compel the police to release the driver's insurance
>>> details as the vehicle was a company car and had multiple policies
>>> against it. I finally found out that the driver was insured with ERS and
>>> have sent various emails to them but have not had any response [a silence
>>> repeated to road.cc'suest for comment]."
>>>
>>> In the meantime our reader twice attended Westminster Magistrate's Court,
>>> once in July and then again in September 2022, but both times James failed to show up.
>>>
>>> "To save wasting everyone's time again, the magistrate gave instructions
>>> that I should give evidence without the driver being present," he
>>> continued. "The driver's hearing finally took place in November where he
>>> plead guilty to the charges [below]."
>>>
>>> Common assault
>>> Use of threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour with intent to
>>> cause fear of/provoke unlawful violence
>>> Criminal damage to property valued under £5,000
>>> Driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road/in a public place
>>> without due care and attention
>>> Assault by beating
>>>
>>> James was sentenced, with the judge taking the guilty plea into account,
>>> and received five penalty points on his driving licence, a £2,000 fine,
>>> £620 costs to the Crown Prosecution Service (collection order made), £200
>>> victim surcharge and £500 compensation to the cyclist (still unreceived).
>>>
>>> "The driver has still not paid a penny in compensation," our reader told
>>> us. "I have again sent another email to his insurance in the vague hope
>>> of getting paid for repairs.
>>>
>>> "What concerns me most is that this dangerous driver remains a threat to
>>> other road users. I don't post on social media, but hope this story shows
>>> how inadequate some of our legal processes are and that the rights of car
>>> drivers are put above the safety of cyclists."
>>>
>>> https://road.cc/content/news/driver-assaulted-cyclist-questioning-mobile-phone-use-298665
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Spike

> Tu Quoque

tu quoque

--
Spike

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 by: Simon Mason - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 20:11 UTC

Ok, driving whilst using a mobile phone is 6 points at a minimum and can be charged in line with careless driving can't it? They also seemed to miss out charging him for leaving the scene of an accident without leaving details which is also a points record. I also don't see why multiple careless driving charges can't be charged for the recorded offences. I mean him driving into the cyclist, then driving across the crossing whilst pedestrians were on it.

Long way to state the driver was very lucky to only get 5 points.


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