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* Oh the fumes....Tim+
+- Oh the fumes....Sam Plusnet
`* Oh the fumes....Tone
 +- Oh the fumes....Tim+
 +- Oh the fumes....Bob Henson
 `* Oh the fumes....Peter
  `* Oh the fumes....Ahem A Rivet's Shot
   `- Oh the fumes....Peter

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From: tim.dow...@gmail.com (Tim+)
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Subject: Re: Oh the fumes....
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 by: Tim+ - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:23 UTC

Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

>
> The hope I have is that scientists will find a way of abstracting pure
> hydrogen out of air in such quantities that it could be used as fuel
> instead of diesel/petrol, unless they already have, but have been shut
> down by the oil industry. Conspiracy theory, I know. But they would
> wouldn't they?
>

Good luck with extracting hydrogen from air. Given that the concentration
of the next lightest element (Helium) is 0.000524% of air it seems
reasonable to expect that hydrogen will be even lower.

The energy cost of extraction would be monumental.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 20:53 UTC

On 26/06/2023 18:23, Tim+ wrote:
> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The hope I have is that scientists will find a way of abstracting pure
>> hydrogen out of air in such quantities that it could be used as fuel
>> instead of diesel/petrol, unless they already have, but have been shut
>> down by the oil industry. Conspiracy theory, I know. But they would
>> wouldn't they?
>>
>
> Good luck with extracting hydrogen from air. Given that the concentration
> of the next lightest element (Helium) is 0.000524% of air it seems
> reasonable to expect that hydrogen will be even lower.
>
> The energy cost of extraction would be monumental.

From two thousand years ago (A level I think) I recall that the average
speed of a hydrogen molecule exceeds the escape velocity of the earth's
gravitational field[1].
Any hydrogen that was here has long since 'left the building'.

[1] This may be utter rubbish of course, but it's one of those nuggets
which has remained with me for all these years.

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 by: Tone - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:08 UTC

On 26/06/2023 18:23, Tim+ wrote:
> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The hope I have is that scientists will find a way of abstracting pure
>> hydrogen out of air in such quantities that it could be used as fuel
>> instead of diesel/petrol, unless they already have, but have been shut
>> down by the oil industry. Conspiracy theory, I know. But they would
>> wouldn't they?
>>
>
> Good luck with extracting hydrogen from air. Given that the concentration
> of the next lightest element (Helium) is 0.000524% of air it seems
> reasonable to expect that hydrogen will be even lower.
>
> The energy cost of extraction would be monumental.
>
> Tim
>

Water?

Tone

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 by: Tim+ - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:23 UTC

Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
> On 26/06/2023 18:23, Tim+ wrote:
>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The hope I have is that scientists will find a way of abstracting pure
>>> hydrogen out of air in such quantities that it could be used as fuel
>>> instead of diesel/petrol, unless they already have, but have been shut
>>> down by the oil industry. Conspiracy theory, I know. But they would
>>> wouldn't they?
>>>
>>
>> Good luck with extracting hydrogen from air. Given that the concentration
>> of the next lightest element (Helium) is 0.000524% of air it seems
>> reasonable to expect that hydrogen will be even lower.
>>
>> The energy cost of extraction would be monumental.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> Water?

No thanks, but kind of you to offer.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

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 by: Bob Henson - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:43 UTC

Tone wrote:

> On 26/06/2023 18:23, Tim+ wrote:
>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The hope I have is that scientists will find a way of abstracting pure
>>> hydrogen out of air in such quantities that it could be used as fuel
>>> instead of diesel/petrol, unless they already have, but have been shut
>>> down by the oil industry. Conspiracy theory, I know. But they would
>>> wouldn't they?
>>>
>>
>> Good luck with extracting hydrogen from air. Given that the concentration
>> of the next lightest element (Helium) is 0.000524% of air it seems
>> reasonable to expect that hydrogen will be even lower.
>>
>> The energy cost of extraction would be monumental.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> Water?

I said I was thirsty, not dirty!

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

In a democracy it's your vote that counts. In feudalism it's your count
that votes.

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 by: Peter - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:44 UTC

Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:u7cuoc$12shl$3@dont-email.me:

> On 26/06/2023 18:23, Tim+ wrote:
>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The hope I have is that scientists will find a way of abstracting
>>> pure hydrogen out of air in such quantities that it could be used as
>>> fuel instead of diesel/petrol, unless they already have, but have
>>> been shut down by the oil industry. Conspiracy theory, I know. But
>>> they would wouldn't they?
>>>
>>
>> Good luck with extracting hydrogen from air. Given that the
>> concentration of the next lightest element (Helium) is 0.000524% of
>> air it seems reasonable to expect that hydrogen will be even lower.
>>
>> The energy cost of extraction would be monumental.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> Water?

Water is the ash left over from burning hydrogen. Good luck with extracting
energy from that.

--
Peter
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:29 UTC

On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:44:40 -0000 (UTC)
Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:

> Water is the ash left over from burning hydrogen. Good luck with
> extracting energy from that.

No problem, mix with your choice of Sodium, Lithium, FOOF, ClF3 or
ClF5.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: Peter - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:20 UTC

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
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> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:44:40 -0000 (UTC)
> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Water is the ash left over from burning hydrogen. Good luck with
>> extracting energy from that.
>
> No problem, mix with your choice of Sodium, Lithium, FOOF, ClF3 or
> ClF5.

Ha. I *did* say "Good luck".

--
Peter
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