I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
county captains?

mike

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:51:27 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>county captains?
>
>mike

My youngest lad is 22, I was astounded how well he can run a busy
kitchen. You never know how the young lads will get on until they get
to try.

max.it

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:51:27 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>county captains?

In the 1950s, it was normal for captains to be appointed just before
puberty. Next! .....RH

On 10/08/2022 23:51, mike wrote:
> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
> countries,

Tatenda Taibu captained Zimbabwe shortly before he turned 21. Noman
Amjad captained France in 5 T20Is last month aged 18.

--
David North

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:51:28 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
> countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
> county captains?
>
> mike

Frank Foster was only 22 when appointed Warwickshire captain in 1911. He lead Warwickshire to the Championship in that year which was the first time that the Championship had be won by a county outside the Big Six of Kent Lancs, Mddx , Notts, Surrey , Yorks

He also did the double in that year.

In the winter of 1911/12 he played in all five Ashes Tests (partnered by Barnes) taking over 30 wickets plus scoring over 200 Test runs.

RH

In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6-a80f-49d48bbeed49n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex
>leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or
>on holiday?

Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were going
to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred and Test
calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give players like
Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the Championship run-in.

> I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>county captains?

Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained Surrey
in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as opposed
to acting as captain in a few matches on an ad hoc basis like Geddes). I
suppose back in the days when the captain "had" to be an amateur, then
if the regular captain was ill or unavailable, if there was only one
other - very young - amateur on the staff, then he might have got the
job by default.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <5d496920-d391-414b-abb0-607338b3539bn@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Henderson <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:51:28 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
>> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs
>>Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in
>>the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21
>>when they capt their
>> countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>> county captains?
>>
>> mike
>
>
>Frank Foster was only 22 when appointed Warwickshire captain in 1911.
>He lead Warwickshire to the Championship in that year which was the
>first time that the Championship had be won by a county outside the Big
>Six of Kent Lancs, Mddx , Notts, Surrey , Yorks
>
>He also did the double in that year.
>
>In the winter of 1911/12 he played in all five Ashes Tests (partnered
>by Barnes) taking over 30 wickets plus scoring over 200 Test runs.
>
>RH

It was a great pity that a motorcycle accident during WW1 put an end to
his cricket, or he might have finished up with a Test record as an
all-rounder to rival Botham and Stokes, and perhaps have become an
England captain better than at least the first of those two.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 05:49:26 +0100, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/08/2022 23:51, mike wrote:
>> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>> countries,
>
>Tatenda Taibu captained Zimbabwe shortly before he turned 21. Noman
>Amjad captained France in 5 T20Is last month aged 18.

Azeem Rafiq captained Yorkshire when he was 21.

Cheers,

Mike

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:39:32 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <5d496920-d391-414b...@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Henderson <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:51:28 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> >> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs
> >>Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in
> >>the 100 or on holiday? I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21
> >>when they capt their
> >> countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
> >> county captains?
> >>
> >> mike
> >
> >
> >Frank Foster was only 22 when appointed Warwickshire captain in 1911.
> >He lead Warwickshire to the Championship in that year which was the
> >first time that the Championship had be won by a county outside the Big
> >Six of Kent Lancs, Mddx , Notts, Surrey , Yorks
> >
> >He also did the double in that year.
> >
> >In the winter of 1911/12 he played in all five Ashes Tests (partnered
> >by Barnes) taking over 30 wickets plus scoring over 200 Test runs.
> >
> >RH
> It was a great pity that a motorcycle accident during WW1 put an end to
> his cricket, or he might have finished up with a Test record as an
> all-rounder to rival Botham and Stokes, and perhaps have become an
> England captain better than at least the first of those two.
> --
> John Hall
> "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
> But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
> Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

Indeed. He was only 30 in 1919. and he could easily have had another 5 seasons at Test level taking in 1920/21, 1921, 1924/5 .

Apart from his bowling he managed a triple century in a Championship match.

RH

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:32 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex
> >leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or
> >on holiday?
> Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were going
> to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred and Test
> calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give players like
> Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the Championship run-in.
> > I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
> >countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
> >county captains?
> Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained Surrey
> in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as opposed
> to acting as captain in a few matches on an ad hoc basis like Geddes). I
> suppose back in the days when the captain "had" to be an amateur, then
> if the regular captain was ill or unavailable, if there was only one
> other - very young - amateur on the staff, then he might have got the
> job by default.
> --
> John Hall
> "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
> But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
> Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

Benedict Brodie Albert Geddes FC record

Format Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100s 50s
FC 4 6 0 293 124 48.83 2 0

RH

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:32 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex
> >leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or
> >on holiday?
> Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were going
> to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred and Test
> calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give players like
> Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the Championship run-in.
> > I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
> >countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
> >county captains?
> Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained Surrey
> in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as opposed

Thats 1 name I'd forgotten. he seemed to have a tremendous future
until the business of young maynards death. I dont think he left the game
becos of that, but it clearly affected his career.

mike

On 11/08/2022 08:23, John Hall wrote:
> In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6-a80f-49d48bbeed49n@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs
>> Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in
>> the 100 or on holiday?
>
> Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were going
> to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred and Test
> calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give players like
> Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the Championship run-in.
>
>> I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>> countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>> county captains?
>
> Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained Surrey
> in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as opposed
> to acting as captain in a few matches on an ad hoc basis like Geddes). I
> suppose back in the days when the captain "had" to be an amateur, then
> if the regular captain was ill or unavailable, if there was only one
> other - very young - amateur on the staff, then he might have got the
> job by default.

He was their youngest captain for 138 years according to the Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/is-rory-hamiltonbrown-ready-to-be-surrey-s-youngest-captain-for-138-years-1938551.html

George Strachan (21) was their captain in 1872, although he also played
several matches that season for Gloucestershire, including two against
Surrey.

--
David North

In message <6cf44942-c23c-4097-bad3-7cf93485cb7en@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:32 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6...@googlegroups.com>,
>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex
>> >leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or
>> >on holiday?
>> Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were going
>> to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred and Test
>> calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give players like
>> Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the Championship run-in.
>> > I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>> >countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>> >county captains?
>> Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained Surrey
>> in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as opposed
>
>Thats 1 name I'd forgotten. he seemed to have a tremendous future
>until the business of young maynards death. I dont think he left the game
>becos of that, but it clearly affected his career.
>
>mike

Yes, he was never the same afterwards.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <jlm58hFk14qU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 11/08/2022 08:23, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6-a80f-49d48bbeed49n@googlegroups.com>,
>>mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs
>>>Middlesex leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all
>>>in the 100 or on holiday?
>> Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were
>>going to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred
>>and Test calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give
>>players like Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the
>>Championship run-in.
>>
>>> I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
>>> countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
>>> county captains?
>> Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained
>>Surrey in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as
>>opposed to acting as captain in a few matches on an ad hoc basis like
>>Geddes). I suppose back in the days when the captain "had" to be an
>>amateur, then if the regular captain was ill or unavailable, if there
>>was only one other - very young - amateur on the staff, then he might
>>have got the job by default.
>
>He was their youngest captain for 138 years according to the Independent.
>
>https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/is-rory-hamiltonbrown-ready-
>to-be-surrey-s-youngest-captain-for-138-years-1938551.html

Thanks.

>
>George Strachan (21) was their captain in 1872, although he also played
>several matches that season for Gloucestershire, including two against
>Surrey.
>

Even though it was prior to the qualification rules on which county you
could play for brought in in 1873, that's pretty odd.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:57:03 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> In message <6cf44942-c23c-4097...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:32 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> >> In message <d1b860f6-20d5-4bb6...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >> >I notice Ben Geddes [just turned 21] was captain of Surrey vs Middlesex
> >> >leading mainly a 2nd XI side. Were the senior players all in the 100 or
> >> >on holiday?
> >> Pretty much. I think Surrey must have felt that - given they were going
> >> to have to field a greatly weakened side because of the Hundred and Test
> >> calls anyway - they might as well go the whole hog and give players like
> >> Burns, Amla and Roach a rest in preparation for the Championship run-in.
> >> > I know the Nawab and Ian Craig were only 21 when they capt their
> >> >countries, and this wasnt even a FC match, but have there been younger
> >> >county captains?
> >> Good question. Rory Hamilton-Brown was only 22 when he captained Surrey
> >> in 2010 and might have been Surrey's youngest club captain (as opposed
> >
> >Thats 1 name I'd forgotten. he seemed to have a tremendous future
> >until the business of young maynards death. I dont think he left the game
> >becos of that, but it clearly affected his career.
> >
> >mike
> Yes, he was never the same afterwards.

Although he didn't play a lot afterwards, 2013 at Sussex 13 matches 576 runs @ 32, 2 100s 2 50s, then he apparently picked up a wrist injury in 2014, whether that was an ongoing thing that caused him issues and explains his poor record that season or whether it was a sudden thing I don't know.