England squad for first two South Africa Tests
Ben Stokes (captain), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Harry Brook, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Jack Leach, Alex Lees, Craig Overton, Matthew Potts, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Joe Root

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12664038/england-name-ollie-robinson-in-14-man-squad-for-first-two-test-matches-against-south-africa

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> England squad for first two South Africa Tests
> Ben Stokes (captain), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Harry Brook, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Jack Leach, Alex Lees, Craig Overton, Matthew Potts, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Joe Root
>
> https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12664038/england-name-ollie-robinson-in-14-man-squad-for-first-two-test-matches-against-south-africa

i think this was announced some time ago, and i wonder if coverton is still fit
after the Lions match, at least he didnt finish an over and went off.

RSA have probs with their quicks too, Olivier is out, and Rabada had an ankle
problem, but with the pitches so dry, some of the media were speculating
whether if they might pick 2 spinners Harmer and maharaj [despite the beating
he got against the lions]. I think i remember this before in 2018 when england
recalled rashid to counter Kohli. I dont think he got a bowl! However I notice that
maxwell got the ball to turn off the pitch at leeds from the 1st over in the 100.
For england i spose Root will continue to be our 2nd spinner.

In fact despite these dry conditions most of the spinners in the CC have
been very expensive so far. Only 4 have taken 20 or more wkts at under 30:

White [the oz] 20 at 20, Harmer 46 at 23, Dawson 24 at 27, and Patterson-White 33 at 29.

mike

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:57:15 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > England squad for first two South Africa Tests
> > Ben Stokes (captain), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Harry Brook, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Jack Leach, Alex Lees, Craig Overton, Matthew Potts, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Joe Root
> >
> > https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12664038/england-name-ollie-robinson-in-14-man-squad-for-first-two-test-matches-against-south-africa
> i think this was announced some time ago, and i wonder if coverton is still fit
> after the Lions match, at least he didnt finish an over and went off.
>
> RSA have probs with their quicks too, Olivier is out, and Rabada had an ankle
> problem, but with the pitches so dry, some of the media were speculating
> whether if they might pick 2 spinners Harmer and maharaj [despite the beating
> he got against the lions]. I think i remember this before in 2018 when england
> recalled rashid to counter Kohli. I dont think he got a bowl! However I notice that
> maxwell got the ball to turn off the pitch at leeds from the 1st over in the 100.
> For england i spose Root will continue to be our 2nd spinner.
>
> In fact despite these dry conditions most of the spinners in the CC have
> been very expensive so far. Only 4 have taken 20 or more wkts at under 30:
>
> White [the oz] 20 at 20, Harmer 46 at 23, Dawson 24 at 27, and Patterson-White 33 at 29.
>
> mike

The only change to the side Will be Ben Foakes for Billings...Radio 5 today. RH

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:46:18 PM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:57:15 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > England squad for first two South Africa Tests
> > > Ben Stokes (captain), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Harry Brook, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Jack Leach, Alex Lees, Craig Overton, Matthew Potts, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Joe Root
> > >
> > > https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12664038/england-name-ollie-robinson-in-14-man-squad-for-first-two-test-matches-against-south-africa
> > i think this was announced some time ago, and i wonder if coverton is still fit
> > after the Lions match, at least he didnt finish an over and went off.
> >
> > RSA have probs with their quicks too, Olivier is out, and Rabada had an ankle
> > problem, but with the pitches so dry, some of the media were speculating
> > whether if they might pick 2 spinners Harmer and maharaj [despite the beating
> > he got against the lions]. I think i remember this before in 2018 when england
> > recalled rashid to counter Kohli. I dont think he got a bowl! However I notice that
> > maxwell got the ball to turn off the pitch at leeds from the 1st over in the 100.
> > For england i spose Root will continue to be our 2nd spinner.
> >
> > In fact despite these dry conditions most of the spinners in the CC have
> > been very expensive so far. Only 4 have taken 20 or more wkts at under 30:
> >
> > White [the oz] 20 at 20, Harmer 46 at 23, Dawson 24 at 27, and Patterson-White 33 at 29.
> >
> > mike
> The only change to the side Will be Ben Foakes for Billings...Radio 5 today. RH

the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.

mike

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:36:43 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:46:18 PM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:57:15 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
>> > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > England squad for first two South Africa Tests
>> > > Ben Stokes (captain), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Harry Brook, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Jack Leach, Alex Lees, Craig Overton, Matthew Potts, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Joe Root
>> > >
>> > > https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12664038/england-name-ollie-robinson-in-14-man-squad-for-first-two-test-matches-against-south-africa
>> > i think this was announced some time ago, and i wonder if coverton is still fit
>> > after the Lions match, at least he didnt finish an over and went off.
>> >
>> > RSA have probs with their quicks too, Olivier is out, and Rabada had an ankle
>> > problem, but with the pitches so dry, some of the media were speculating
>> > whether if they might pick 2 spinners Harmer and maharaj [despite the beating
>> > he got against the lions]. I think i remember this before in 2018 when england
>> > recalled rashid to counter Kohli. I dont think he got a bowl! However I notice that
>> > maxwell got the ball to turn off the pitch at leeds from the 1st over in the 100.
>> > For england i spose Root will continue to be our 2nd spinner.
>> >
>> > In fact despite these dry conditions most of the spinners in the CC have
>> > been very expensive so far. Only 4 have taken 20 or more wkts at under 30:
>> >
>> > White [the oz] 20 at 20, Harmer 46 at 23, Dawson 24 at 27, and Patterson-White 33 at 29.
>> >
>> > mike
>> The only change to the side Will be Ben Foakes for Billings...Radio 5 today. RH
>
>the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
>
>mike

Hooray!!
It's wet somewhere else for a change ;-)

max.it

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:36:44 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:46:18 PM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 12:57:15 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > England squad for first two South Africa Tests
> > > > Ben Stokes (captain), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Harry Brook, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Jack Leach, Alex Lees, Craig Overton, Matthew Potts, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Joe Root
> > > >
> > > > https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12664038/england-name-ollie-robinson-in-14-man-squad-for-first-two-test-matches-against-south-africa
> > > i think this was announced some time ago, and i wonder if coverton is still fit
> > > after the Lions match, at least he didnt finish an over and went off.
> > >
> > > RSA have probs with their quicks too, Olivier is out, and Rabada had an ankle
> > > problem, but with the pitches so dry, some of the media were speculating
> > > whether if they might pick 2 spinners Harmer and maharaj [despite the beating
> > > he got against the lions]. I think i remember this before in 2018 when england
> > > recalled rashid to counter Kohli. I dont think he got a bowl! However I notice that
> > > maxwell got the ball to turn off the pitch at leeds from the 1st over in the 100.
> > > For england i spose Root will continue to be our 2nd spinner.
> > >
> > > In fact despite these dry conditions most of the spinners in the CC have
> > > been very expensive so far. Only 4 have taken 20 or more wkts at under 30:
> > >
> > > White [the oz] 20 at 20, Harmer 46 at 23, Dawson 24 at 27, and Patterson-White 33 at 29.
> > >
> > > mike
> > The only change to the side Will be Ben Foakes for Billings...Radio 5 today. RH
> the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
>
> mike

I live a mile and half from Lords in central London . No rain at present 8.45 pm A small amount of rain fell during the night. RH

In message <21276777-d7e6-42df-af9a-cd0ea0f769e7n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.

Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them. The
latest rainfall radar shows very heavy showers out in the Channel, but
overland over SE England at the moment it's looking quite good.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.

i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
think he had at least 1 life] could cope with the safy quicks, with both
rabada and norty 90+. Stokes gave them the charge but got out
playing defensive. So I guess he wont do that again ;)

I never understand why they have these wednesday starts when it
could mean it will be all over by the weekend, usually the best attended
days.

No parched outfield at Lords, their water bill must be enormous.

mike

In message <48357aee-0f64-4f47-97ea-0bc48c0cc572n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
>> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.
>
>i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
>again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
>think he had at least 1 life]

Just the one, and it would have required a brilliant catch.

> could cope with the safy quicks, with both
>rabada and norty 90+. Stokes gave them the charge but got out
>playing defensive. So I guess he wont do that again ;)

I thought that, apart from Lees, the batsmen weren't really culpable.
South Africa bowled very well in helpful conditions.

>
>I never understand why they have these wednesday starts when it
>could mean it will be all over by the weekend, usually the best attended
>days.

It's so that, by starting successive Tests on a Wednesday, Thursday and
Friday, they can give the players one more rest day between matches. And
most Lord's matches are a sell-out anyway, so there isn't a problem with
the attendances. Having a Wednesday start for a Test outside London
might not be such a good idea, though.

>
>No parched outfield at Lords, their water bill must be enormous.
>
>mike

It was said on commentary that by some magic they've managed to reduce
their water usage by 60% from what it was a few decades ago. I can't
remember what the explanation was for how that has been achieved,
though.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <Aepo2BBHre$iFwKG@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <48357aee-0f64-4f47-97ea-0bc48c0cc572n@googlegroups.com>,
>mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>>> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
>>> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.
>>
>>i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
>>again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
>>think he had at least 1 life]
>
>Just the one, and it would have required a brilliant catch.
<snip>

Oh, and there was also an lbw appeal that was given "not out" and on
review was shown to be umpire's call. Not long afterwards, Root was less
lucky with the umpire's decision for an almost identical ball.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:36:46 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <48357aee-0f64-4f47...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> >> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
> >> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.
> >
> >i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
> >again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
> >think he had at least 1 life]
> Just the one, and it would have required a brilliant catch.
> > could cope with the safy quicks, with both
> >rabada and norty 90+. Stokes gave them the charge but got out
> >playing defensive. So I guess he wont do that again ;)
> I thought that, apart from Lees, the batsmen weren't really culpable.
> South Africa bowled very well in helpful conditions.
> >

yes and as soon as RSA batted the clouds rolled away. I think it could be
a long day or 2 days in the field for england.

> >
> >No parched outfield at Lords, their water bill must be enormous.
> >
> >mike
> It was said on commentary that by some magic they've managed to reduce
> their water usage by 60% from what it was a few decades ago. I can't
> remember what the explanation was for how that has been achieved,
> though.

probably something like drip feed irrigation tech, which i use on my
tomatoes. I use an old eye dropper connected to a plastic feed
line with a tap from a water butt and adjust the tap so that the water
pressure from the butt is just enough to push out a continuous drip.

no shortage of water at lords after tea so hopefully theyve improved their
drainage too and recycle the downpours.

mike

In message <96b756bb-18da-46d4-80a0-c1d5e33931bfn@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:36:46 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <48357aee-0f64-4f47...@googlegroups.com>,
>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> >> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
>> >> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.
>> >
>> >i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
>> >again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
>> >think he had at least 1 life]
>> Just the one, and it would have required a brilliant catch.
>> > could cope with the safy quicks, with both
>> >rabada and norty 90+. Stokes gave them the charge but got out
>> >playing defensive. So I guess he wont do that again ;)
>> I thought that, apart from Lees, the batsmen weren't really culpable.
>> South Africa bowled very well in helpful conditions.
>> >
>
>yes and as soon as RSA batted the clouds rolled away. I think it could be
>a long day or 2 days in the field for england.

I fear you'll be right, though there's still some swing to be had. But
so far SA have batted very well, and England's attack has understandably
looked a bit rusty. It's also looked a lot more "samey" than SA's seam
attack, with all the bowlers being about the same speed and lacking a
left-armer. Of course that's largely down to injuries greatly
restricting England's options. I thought that Stokes might have tried
Leach earlier. He's already getting some turn, on what - given the time
lost to rain - is a pitch that's had only just over a day's actual play
on it. Presumably it's because of the prolonged dry spell.

I can claim credit for the second SA wicket. I went to the loo, was
away for three minutes at most, but that was long enough for me to miss
a wicket falling. (Or it would have been, but for the ability to
rewind.)
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <ZLsdQaA9rl$iFw4c@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <96b756bb-18da-46d4-80a0-c1d5e33931bfn@googlegroups.com>,
>mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:36:46 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>>> In message <48357aee-0f64-4f47...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> >On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>>> >> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> >> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> >> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
>>> >> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.
>>> >
>>> >i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
>>> >again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
>>> >think he had at least 1 life]
>>> Just the one, and it would have required a brilliant catch.
>>> > could cope with the safy quicks, with both
>>> >rabada and norty 90+. Stokes gave them the charge but got out
>>> >playing defensive. So I guess he wont do that again ;)
>>> I thought that, apart from Lees, the batsmen weren't really culpable.
>>> South Africa bowled very well in helpful conditions.
>>> >
>>
>>yes and as soon as RSA batted the clouds rolled away. I think it could be
>>a long day or 2 days in the field for england.
>
>I fear you'll be right, though there's still some swing to be had. But
>so far SA have batted very well, and England's attack has
>understandably looked a bit rusty. It's also looked a lot more "samey"
>than SA's seam attack, with all the bowlers being about the same speed
>and lacking a left-armer. Of course that's largely down to injuries
>greatly restricting England's options. I thought that Stokes might have
>tried Leach earlier. He's already getting some turn, on what - given
>the time lost to rain - is a pitch that's had only just over a day's
>actual play on it. Presumably it's because of the prolonged dry spell.
>
>I can claim credit for the second SA wicket. I went to the loo, was
>away for three minutes at most, but that was long enough for me to miss
>a wicket falling. (Or it would have been, but for the ability to rewind.)

I wrote that during the tea interval. In the evening session, things got
much better for a while, before Maharaj and Jansen showed that it's not
only England cricketers who can play bazball.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:20:21 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <ZLsdQaA9rl$iFw4c@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
> <john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
> >In message <96b756bb-18da-46d4...@googlegroups.com>,
> >mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >>On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:36:46 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> >>> In message <48357aee-0f64-4f47...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >>> >On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:59:00 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> >>> >> In message <21276777-d7e6-42df...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>> >> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >>> >> >the forcast for wednesday looks very wet.
> >>> >> Heavy showers forecast, but if we're luck Lord's might miss them.
> >>> >
> >>> >i bet england wished it had rained all day, they really are in a mess
> >>> >again. the openers were inept but none of them except Pope [and i
> >>> >think he had at least 1 life]
> >>> Just the one, and it would have required a brilliant catch.
> >>> > could cope with the safy quicks, with both
> >>> >rabada and norty 90+. Stokes gave them the charge but got out
> >>> >playing defensive. So I guess he wont do that again ;)
> >>> I thought that, apart from Lees, the batsmen weren't really culpable.
> >>> South Africa bowled very well in helpful conditions.
> >>> >
> >>
> >>yes and as soon as RSA batted the clouds rolled away. I think it could be
> >>a long day or 2 days in the field for england.
> >
> >I fear you'll be right, though there's still some swing to be had. But
> >so far SA have batted very well, and England's attack has
> >understandably looked a bit rusty. It's also looked a lot more "samey"
> >than SA's seam attack, with all the bowlers being about the same speed
> >and lacking a left-armer. Of course that's largely down to injuries
> >greatly restricting England's options. I thought that Stokes might have
> >tried Leach earlier. He's already getting some turn, on what - given
> >the time lost to rain - is a pitch that's had only just over a day's
> >actual play on it. Presumably it's because of the prolonged dry spell.
> >
> >I can claim credit for the second SA wicket.

i missed most of the play, but when i got to the pub, someone was exclaiming
how shite broad had bowled, and SB promptly took a wicket with a near
perfect delivery.

> I wrote that during the tea interval. In the evening session, things got
> much better for a while, before Maharaj and Jansen showed that it's not
> only England cricketers who can play bazball.

actually it reminded me deja vu of some of the previous 4 tests. We get through
the top order and all the main batters, 210-6 then get smashed by the tailenders.
they tried this short stuff, and mainly due to stokes it worked, but having done
that, surely with the tail, they should have just bowled length and kept it
as tight as possible and restrict the runs. worse the pitch is taking spin, i thought
Leach was going to be a handful, but I bet maharaja will be keen to bowl
if Rabada & norty dont run through us a 2nd time.

mike
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