A shitty start at Lords.
Is this a trend?
England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
shitty starts than non shitty starts. Maybe that's more of a feeling
than a memory.
I don't have a clue about the records or stats, it just feels similar
to associating rain or gloomy overheads at Old Trafford.

max.it

On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 00:31:09 UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> A shitty start at Lords.
> Is this a trend?
> England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
> they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
> shitty starts than non shitty starts.

Lovely bowling conditions and a lovely bowling team - thoroughly impressed by SA varied bowling attack - makes England's attack look very, very staid.

Richard

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 07:43:55 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon
<richsdixon1975@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 00:31:09 UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>> A shitty start at Lords.
>> Is this a trend?
>> England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
>> they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
>> shitty starts than non shitty starts.
>
>Lovely bowling conditions and a lovely bowling team - thoroughly impressed by SA varied bowling attack - makes England's attack look very, very staid.
>
>Richard

I blame that quota system the South Africans use ;-)

max.it

In message <5134111e-e687-4b2e-aa87-192055e7251an@googlegroups.com>,
Richard Dixon <richsdixon1975@gmail.com> writes
>On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 00:31:09 UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>> A shitty start at Lords.
>> Is this a trend?
>> England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
>> they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
>> shitty starts than non shitty starts.
>
>Lovely bowling conditions and a lovely bowling team - thoroughly
>impressed by SA varied bowling attack - makes England's attack look
>very, very staid.
>
>Richard

The SA pace attack seems to be a class above even those of NZ and India,
which is highly impressive.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:18:38 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <5134111e-e687-4b2e...@googlegroups.com>,
> Richard Dixon <richsdi...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 00:31:09 UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> >> A shitty start at Lords.
> >> Is this a trend?
> >> England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
> >> they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
> >> shitty starts than non shitty starts.
> >
> >Lovely bowling conditions and a lovely bowling team - thoroughly
> >impressed by SA varied bowling attack - makes England's attack look
> >very, very staid.
> >
> >Richard
> The SA pace attack seems to be a class above even those of NZ and India,
> which is highly impressive.
> --

Yes, Norty was impressive with his consistant high pace, often above 90, and I read
that Rambada has 250 wkts at 22 with an SR of 40. That surely puts him up there
with the best windians of the 80s era or indeed any era. Jansen was also good -
I'd not seen him before and he can bat, plus hes got a twin who plays too.

Our bowlers and batters looked rather rusty, as if they really hadnt played any FC cricket
for 43 days. Perhaps a couple have like Potts. Also Foakes avs 81 in the CC, but
I cant believe he does that playing like he did in this match. I think he for 1 should just play
his normal game and not try Bazball. I'm sure hes a better bat than his test
av suggests.

Mr Bazball said after, that England had been too timid, so I dont think their approach
will change, but as you say they perhaps should reconsider not overdoing the
short stuff otherwise it loses its affect. Keep it as a surprise 1 or 2 balls an over,
and sometimes against the tail, just bowl straight. And wouldnt it be better to have
someone in the top order who can anchor the innings so the others can play
their shots? Perhaps Lees is sposed to do that role, but as yet he hasnt really
played a long innings.

mike

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 5:06:09 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 07:43:55 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon
> <richsdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 00:31:09 UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> >> A shitty start at Lords.
> >> Is this a trend?
> >> England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
> >> they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
> >> shitty starts than non shitty starts.
> >
> >Lovely bowling conditions and a lovely bowling team - thoroughly impressed by SA varied bowling attack - makes England's attack look very, very staid.
> >
> >Richard
> I blame that quota system the South Africans use ;-)
>
> max.it

Oh dear, yet again Lazarus embraces the anti-white racism of SA selection - RH

In message <cc0570fb-bdb1-4046-aafa-b18616c01be9n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:18:38 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <5134111e-e687-4b2e...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Richard Dixon <richsdi...@gmail.com> writes
>> >On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 00:31:09 UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>> >> A shitty start at Lords.
>> >> Is this a trend?
>> >> England seem to always have a shitty start to a Lords match, sometimes
>> >> they have a win and sometimes they lose, but I seem to remember more
>> >> shitty starts than non shitty starts.
>> >
>> >Lovely bowling conditions and a lovely bowling team - thoroughly
>> >impressed by SA varied bowling attack - makes England's attack look
>> >very, very staid.
>> >
>> >Richard
>> The SA pace attack seems to be a class above even those of NZ and India,
>> which is highly impressive.
>
>Yes, Norty was impressive with his consistant high pace, often above
>90,

He's very quick indeed, but all four of their pace bowlers had an
average speed greater than any of ours. I think I read that the average
speed of the SA pacemen was 87mph compared to 82 for ours. That's a huge
difference.

I think if I had to choose a four-man pace attack from all the Test
sides, ATM I'd go for Rabada, Nortje, Bumrah and Cummins - though that
would mean that I wouldn't have a left-armer.

>and I read
>that Rambada has 250 wkts at 22 with an SR of 40. That surely puts him up there
>with the best windians of the 80s era or indeed any era.

Apparently he has the best strike rate of any bowler since 1900 with 100
or more Test wickets, narrowly ahead of SF Barnes.

> Jansen was also good -
> I'd not seen him before and he can bat, plus hes got a twin who plays too.

Yep. Any very tall left-arm paceman is likely to be a handful; think
Bruce Reid, Mitchell Johnson, Starc and Jamieson.

>
>Our bowlers and batters looked rather rusty, as if they really hadnt
>played any FC cricket
>for 43 days.

Yep.

> Perhaps a couple have like Potts.

He looked more rusty than most.

> Also Foakes avs 81 in the CC, but
>I cant believe he does that playing like he did in this match. I think
>he for 1 should just play
>his normal game and not try Bazball. I'm sure hes a better bat than his test
>av suggests.

I don't think he's really tried Bazball. I've seen it suggested that
he's vulnerable to high pace, something that's currently in very short
supply in the CC.

>
>Mr Bazball said after, that England had been too timid,

Apart from Pope in the first innings and Broad in the second, they were
generally only scoring at around 3 runs per over. Of course, the more
hostile the opposing attack the harder it is to score fast.

> so I dont think their approach
>will change, but as you say they perhaps should reconsider not overdoing the
>short stuff otherwise it loses its affect. Keep it as a surprise 1 or 2
>balls an over,
>and sometimes against the tail, just bowl straight. And wouldnt it be
>better to have
>someone in the top order who can anchor the innings so the others can play
>their shots? Perhaps Lees is sposed to do that role, but as yet he hasnt really
>played a long innings.

I can't see Stokes and McCullum bringing in a Sibley type of player to
anchor the innings. Of course it might be different if we had a
defensive opener with a Test average of 40 - or even 35 - but we don't.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)