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* Spolier 29-3-24Nick Odell
+- Re: Spolier 29-3-24J. P. Gilliver
+- Re: Spolier 29-3-24Vicky
`* Re: Spolier 29-3-24Rosie Mitchell
 `* Re: Spolier 29-3-24Kate B
  `* Re: Spolier 29-3-24Rosie Mitchell
   `- Re: Spolier 29-3-24Nick Odell

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Spolier 29-3-24

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From: nickodel...@yahoo.ca (Nick Odell)
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Subject: Spolier 29-3-24
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 by: Nick Odell - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:20 UTC

So.. George hasn't been overcome by the personality transplant fairy,
has he?

I was willing to give the new Robert Snell the benefit of the doubt
and now that I have heard him a few times I reckon he's a jolly fine
Robert Snell and I am enjoying listening to him.

Jolene knows something, doesn't she?

And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.

Nick

Re: Spolier 29-3-24

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:48 UTC

In message <kb8e0jtr8d3ordhjqte6nhdm0ri5e7kc88@4ax.com> at Fri, 29 Mar
2024 20:20:34, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>So.. George hasn't been overcome by the personality transplant fairy,
>has he?

Indeed not. TNPoW. I would say childish, but he's old enough for it to
have adult consequences.
>
>I was willing to give the new Robert Snell the benefit of the doubt
>and now that I have heard him a few times I reckon he's a jolly fine
>Robert Snell and I am enjoying listening to him.

Agreed.
>
>Jolene knows something, doesn't she?

Wasn't there an episode fairly recently where someone from Jolene's Past
(as a singer/performer, I think) threatened her (I think they have
something to do with the people who assaulted Kenton when he went to try
to move them on from the car park). I thought at the time it was a
rather unlikely plot device.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

just because you are offended - doesn't mean you are right

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 by: Vicky - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:32 UTC

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:20:34 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>So.. George hasn't been overcome by the personality transplant fairy,
>has he?
>
>I was willing to give the new Robert Snell the benefit of the doubt
>and now that I have heard him a few times I reckon he's a jolly fine
>Robert Snell and I am enjoying listening to him.
>
>Jolene knows something, doesn't she?

They wouldn't bring him back anew just to off him via dog-owner-man?

>
>And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
>Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
>
>Nick

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 by: Rosie Mitchell - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 11:48 UTC

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes:

> And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
> Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.

I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.

What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.

I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.

Rosie

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 by: Kate B - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:02 UTC

On 30/03/2024 11:48, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes:
>
>> And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
>> Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
>
> I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
> proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
> being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
> when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
>
> What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
> of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
> in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
> without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
> last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
> like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
> the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
>
> I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
> was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
> sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
> Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
> (there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
> and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
> to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
> part.
>

One of my very favourite programmes too. I agree with you entirely about
the link from Dollar Wine to the Rheinmaidens. They do this sort of
thing all the time, it's so clever. I particularly appreciate that they
cover about a thousand years of music from all round the world,
explaining the musical structure of pieces as well as technicalities of
instruments and techniques. What makes it brilliant for me is that they
illuminate the harmonic complexity of a rock classic in exactly the same
way as they dissect a bit of Bach or Ravel, and they let their guests
talk to each other as musicians without requiring them to dumb anything
down - Cerys is always there with a succinct gloss when necessary.

I don't think I've ever heard any musical snobbery at all on it. There's
a lot of surprised discovery of new cross-cultural delights and very
rarely someone admits that they've Tried Very Hard to like something out
of their zone and failed, but I've never heard anyone assert that any
genre or piece was inherently better than another.

--
Kate B

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 by: Rosie Mitchell - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:46 UTC

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:

> On 30/03/2024 11:48, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes:
>>
>>> And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
>>> Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
>> I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
>> proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
>> being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
>> when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
>> What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the
>> scorn
>> of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
>> in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
>> without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
>> last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
>> like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
>> the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
>> I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last
>> week's
>> was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
>> sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
>> Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
>> (there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
>> and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
>> to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
>> part.
>>
>
> One of my very favourite programmes too. I agree with you entirely
> about the link from Dollar Wine to the Rheinmaidens. They do this sort
> of thing all the time, it's so clever. I particularly appreciate that
> they cover about a thousand years of music from all round the world,
> explaining the musical structure of pieces as well as technicalities
> of instruments and techniques. What makes it brilliant for me is that
> they illuminate the harmonic complexity of a rock classic in exactly
> the same way as they dissect a bit of Bach or Ravel, and they let
> their guests talk to each other as musicians without requiring them to
> dumb anything down - Cerys is always there with a succinct gloss when
> necessary.

Cerys has done really well since being in a bad place 20-odd years ago
from a surfeit of fags and booze and rock'n'roll. We have to have the
next two series without her, I wonder how that will go.

Today I spent listening through the whole first series and compiling the
selected tracks into a rather spiffy 40-track Spotify playlist,
beginning with a rap take on a country song (that I didn't know) and
ending, well, not quite ending with a blues-rock take on a country song,
Riders on the Storm, which I know and love. With a wee coda leading into
the following week's new series, Screenshots, which attempted to do the
same sort of thing with film, a subject I do know quite a bit about in
depth. (I heard somebody recently, I can't remember who, saying that
film and quantum mechanics emerged at about the same time in the late
19th century and it shows, film being /the/ quintessentially non-linear
art-form).

Anyway, I thought Screenshot was a stinker. Not least because I can't
stand Mark Kermode. I know he's not closely related to Frank Kermode the
distinguished literary critic, but he's never minded letting the world
think he was. He's also, to my mind, a right plonker. I had the vague
idea that the BBC thought so too and that Screenshot had sunk without
trace but apparently not, on inspection it seems to have had more
episodes than ATP¹. Maybe it went to podcast only, which seems to be the
fate of most of the interesting stuff these days. Or maybe I just wasn't
paying attention in the years when I wasn't really listening to TA, or
even R4 much.

Rosie

¹ Apropos of nothing, ATP used to stand for the BAE Advanced Turbo-Prop
aircraft, which used to operate the Aberdeen -> Sumburgh service back
when I went that way with a friend for Up Helly Aa 32 (gosh!) years
ago, and known to Shetlanders as Another Technical Problem. Which by
some devious sleight of mind is what I have taken to calling Add To
Playlist.

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 by: Nick Odell - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 10:40 UTC

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 23:46:07 +0100, Rosie Mitchell
<rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:

>Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 30/03/2024 11:48, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
>>>> Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
>>> I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
>>> proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
>>> being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
>>> when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
>>> What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the
>>> scorn
>>> of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
>>> in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
>>> without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
>>> last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
>>> like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
>>> the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
>>> I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last
>>> week's
>>> was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
>>> sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
>>> Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
>>> (there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
>>> and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
>>> to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
>>> part.
>>>
>>
>> One of my very favourite programmes too. I agree with you entirely
>> about the link from Dollar Wine to the Rheinmaidens. They do this sort
>> of thing all the time, it's so clever. I particularly appreciate that
>> they cover about a thousand years of music from all round the world,
>> explaining the musical structure of pieces as well as technicalities
>> of instruments and techniques. What makes it brilliant for me is that
>> they illuminate the harmonic complexity of a rock classic in exactly
>> the same way as they dissect a bit of Bach or Ravel, and they let
>> their guests talk to each other as musicians without requiring them to
>> dumb anything down - Cerys is always there with a succinct gloss when
>> necessary.
>
>Cerys has done really well since being in a bad place 20-odd years ago
>from a surfeit of fags and booze and rock'n'roll. We have to have the
>next two series without her, I wonder how that will go.
>
>Today I spent listening through the whole first series and compiling the
>selected tracks into a rather spiffy 40-track Spotify playlist,
>beginning with a rap take on a country song (that I didn't know) and
>ending, well, not quite ending with a blues-rock take on a country song,
>Riders on the Storm, which I know and love. With a wee coda leading into
>the following week's new series, Screenshots, which attempted to do the
>same sort of thing with film, a subject I do know quite a bit about in
>depth. (I heard somebody recently, I can't remember who, saying that
>film and quantum mechanics emerged at about the same time in the late
>19th century and it shows, film being /the/ quintessentially non-linear
>art-form).
>
>Anyway, I thought Screenshot was a stinker. Not least because I can't
>stand Mark Kermode. I know he's not closely related to Frank Kermode the
>distinguished literary critic, but he's never minded letting the world
>think he was. He's also, to my mind, a right plonker. I had the vague
>idea that the BBC thought so too and that Screenshot had sunk without
>trace but apparently not, on inspection it seems to have had more
>episodes than ATP¹. Maybe it went to podcast only, which seems to be the
>fate of most of the interesting stuff these days. Or maybe I just wasn't
>paying attention in the years when I wasn't really listening to TA, or
>even R4 much.
>
>Rosie
>
>¹ Apropos of nothing, ATP used to stand for the BAE Advanced Turbo-Prop
>aircraft, which used to operate the Aberdeen -> Sumburgh service back
>when I went that way with a friend for Up Helly Aa 32 (gosh!) years
>ago, and known to Shetlanders as Another Technical Problem. Which by
>some devious sleight of mind is what I have taken to calling Add To
>Playlist.

The ATPP - what a super idea!

I don't do Spotify or other music streaming services so I wonder if
enough of the audio is available on YouTube? A publicly available
YouTube playlist might be A Good Thing.

I don't have time to play around with the concept right now - I'm just
popping back into Buenos Aires again (as one does) and I'm slightly
busy putting my house in order before I leave. (House in order? As
if!)

Nick


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