On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 07:18:55 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <j68gdoFlv8hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 23:43:52 on Sat, 5 Feb
>2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>PC Pro is available on the Readly App so for those who have access to that
>>having a glance at the publication without having to fork out on an issue
>>or shuffle through the shelves in a newsagent to just read a couple of
>>lines is one of the advantages of using it.
>
>>Roland is quoted in the February edition ( issue 128)
>
>328 probably.
>
>>but its hardly worth the time and effort to go out and find a copy just
>>for that, no disrespect to Roland intended .
>
>And at £5.99 an issue, I tend to agree. I know Tim Danton has to make
>living, but that's a pretty expensive magazine.

Par for the course price for magazines these days. Some of them are even nudging
the 10 quid barrier if they're US imports.

I used to buy PCPro fairly regularly when it was more generalist but these
days only if there's particular stuff i care about since half the magazine
now seems to be tedious reviews of PCs or motherboards made by Neverheardofem
in bingbong province CN.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:59:34 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <d0h00hh0en33ie572fpjj3iephqm7sn4c7@4ax.com>, at 22:42:08 on
>Sun, 6 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:48:09 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <9n4rvg9l4a7b7ka5ccfv1l1b4m19vtda7d@4ax.com>, at 21:07:07 on
>>>Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>>>On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:27:41 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <stjcmo$44v$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:20:08 on Fri, 4 Feb 2022,
>>>>>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <stg6qc$48a$4@dont-email.me>, at 09:21:16 on Thu, 3 Feb 2022,
>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/02/2022 09:01, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the way the law is at the moment the council is
>>>>>>>>> probably guilty of criminal damage/theft if it does so. The solution
>>>>>>>>> (if they had the time and energy to abstract from more important
>>>>>>>>> matters) is to put up a YET ANOTHER sign giving notice that unless
>>>>>>>>> the person who erected them removes them in 7 days the council will
>>>>>>>>> do so, and the sign owner will then have 14 days to claim it back
>>>>>>>>> from wherever the council stored it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sticker on the offending sign, big enough to obliterate its message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, that's also criminal damage; and doesn't reduce the
>>>>>>> clutter because the passing motorist still has to parse it, and see it's
>>>>>>> blank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I doubt it’s criminal damage if it’s a sticker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://seatons.co.uk/legal-services/criminal-law/criminal-damage-offences/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Criminal Damage Act 1971 classifies criminal damage as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>‘A person who, without lawful excuse, destroys or damages any property
>>>>>>belonging to another, intending to destroy or damage any such property, or
>>>>>>being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or
>>>>>>damaged.’
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This offence is wide ranging and applies to any tangible property. For
>>>>>>damage to be inflicted on a property however, it must be more than minimal
>>>>>>and create a situation where the property’s value or usefulness has been
>>>>>>affected in some way.
>>>>>
>>>>>There's plenty of caselaw for people being prosecuted for affixing
>>>>>stickers (such as "stop parking here and blocking my gate") on people's
>>>>>windscreens,
>>>>>
>>>>Correct but not generally applicable to something which is not
>>>>"attached".
>>>
>>>Fascinated by how you'll wriggle out of a sticker not being "attached".
>>>
>>Attached implies some form of fixing. Something which is held by
>>gravity or otherwise allowed to rest in position is not in the general
>>sense "attached".
>
>Then it wouldn't be a "sticker", which are stick on, that's why they
>have the name.
>
Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
attachment.

>>>>>and even doing things which will wash off like chalk-paintings on
>>>>>pavements.
>>>>>
>>>>There is also case law concerning no offence being caused where there
>>>>is lawful excuse or authority, recently WRT to marking queuing
>>>>positions outside shops to maintain social distancing.
>>>
>>>Fascinated how you'll justify that applying to pavement artists.
>>>
>>In some areas that is/was established usage. Are you going to try to
>>nick children playing hopscotch as one council official attempted to
>>do a few years ago?
>
>>IIRC for the simple offence of criminal damage you usually have to
>>prove practical damage above a threshold otherwise the CPS won't want
>>to know.
>
>Almost all crimes have a "threshold" for prosecution (or even
>investigation. It's one of the things campaigners wrestle with all the
>time. Doesn't make the underlying activity legal though.
>
There is a general concept of "de minimis" which seems to be optional
rather than compulsory to apply but with criminal damage there is by
statute a specific effect on the prosecution of the offence based on
the value involved.

>>>>>And why do you think that a sign with a plain sticker obscuring it is
>>>>>"as useful" as the original sign, to either the people who erected it or
>>>>>the people trying to find the new housing estate?
>>>>>
>>>>>To be lawful for the local authority to deal with these signs, the
>>>>>bureaucratic process is too top heavy to be helpful, or deployed in
>>>>>more than extreme cases.
>>>>>
>>>>A planning authority has the option of defacing/removing unlawful
>>>>advertisements with or without judicial process,
>>>
>>>But not without giving notice.
>>>
>>On a highway removal can be "forthwith" under s.149 Highways Act if
>>the PA deems it to be a danger or for any other reason if "the thing
>>in question ought to be removed without the delay involved in giving
>>notice or obtaining a removal and disposal order from a magistrates’
>>court under this section".
>>An advertisement can be defaced or removed without notice if it does
>>not identify the "person who displayed it" and their address. [s.225
>>Town and Country Planning Act 1990].
>
>Under-citing again.
>
>First it needs some regulations (maybe everywhere has them, maybe they
>don't - perhaps they've got regulations about fly-posting in their parks
>and open spaces, not verges at the side of roads).
>
>It then goes on to say:
>
> "the local planning authority shall not exercise any power conferred
> by subsection (1) unless ... <<they give notice>>"
>
>And the stuff about it "not giving an address" NOR "unable to ascertain
>it after reasonable inquiry", is simply to cover the circumstances of
>inability to deliver the necessary notices.
>
It is to deal with a common feature of fly-posting.

>It's not just so the LA can
>throw a hissy fit and decide it doesn't want to go through the
>notification process.
>
>>The same could apply by other action of law (e.g. Public Order Act
>>1986) if it would be offensive or otherwise illegal for the PA to
>>allow it to remain.
>>
>>>>the latter provision covering such as e.g. a continuing hazard (where
>>>>multiple legal breaches will often be involved) or the inability to
>>>>identify a person to serve notice upon.
>>>
>>>But as I keep saying (and you keep ignoring) the processes involved are
>>>nevertheless sufficiently bureaucratic that there's only the resources
>>>available to do it in the most egregious cases.
>>>
>>or where a local authority has managed to establish the necessary
>>process for doing things ASAP.
>
>That still involves issuing notices, waiting etc, returning to the scene
>of the crime(sic) removing the notice, taking it away for safekeeping,
>then pursuing the offender for damages.
>
>>Highways Act breaches IME tend to be dealt with fairly quickly (between
>>a couple of days and a week) as some can leave the highway authority in
>>trouble if allowed to remain.
>
>I don't expect that there any many such special cases. The only ones I
>know of (and they aren't placards/posters anyway) is offensive graffiti.
>
There are plenty of cases involving danger to the public, typically
notices attached to street furniture with untrimmed cable ties
sticking out at eye-level.

On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:55:16 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It’s a magazine that has lost its way. Most articles seem to be written by
>> their contributors with the mindset of what an earth are we going to come
>> up with this month. Worth a quick flick through as part of a Readly
>> subscription, but certainly not worth paying for in its own right. I’m
>> surprised it’s still going, but may be surviving on the basis that there
>> isn’t much competition these days.
>
>It's having to feign great excitement about Windows 11 at the moment, with
>regular breathless articles and cover stories about it. However, I don't
>think most PC users have any great interest in it.

Particularly since MS have done their usual nonsense of removing functionality -
eg being able to reposition the taskbar - only to bring it back later with
much fanfare as if they've made some great breakthrough in software technology.

If Macs weren't so expensive I'm pretty sure Apple would have eaten MS's
lunch by now in the home market.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:10:45 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <85g10hlitp244buth37sltl08uq9it97c4@4ax.com>, at 07:13:35 on
>Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 23:27:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 18:35:21 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see such "lost" ambulances fairly often around London.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think most now have "jobs" sent to the terminal in the ambulance and
>>>>> on the various "reality" programmes, I get the impression their control
>>>>> can send the location direct to a Sat Nav.
>>>>>
>>>> They do but that fails where the postcode is for various reasons
>>>> incorrect or in some cases defines a larger area (the premises number
>>>> might not have been supplied) where it is possible to find yourself on
>>>> the wrong side of a barrier.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Is what3words used to pin down location?
>
>I think they've missed a trick by not having what.three.words as the
>front door of their HQ (wherever it is).
>
>>You can report a location with w3w to the services listed in
>>https://what3words.com/news/emergency/uk-emergency-services-rollout-what
>>3words-in-control-rooms-to-save-resources-time-and-lives
>>(which doesn't seem to leave many exceptions, if any)
>>but I suspect that gets translated to a postcode or OS reference
>>before it is transmitted to the terminal in an ambulance. w3w should
>>be inherently more precise than the majority of postcodes while an OS
>>reference is as accurate as the number of digits used (or e.g. the
>>accuracy of a GPS device producing it).
>
>Do many GPS (for example built into a phone) spit out a grid reference,
>rather than longitude/latitude?
>
IIRC Garmin Satnavs using a "hidden" command (touch one or both of the
top corners?) if it hasn't now been added to the normal menus. 'Phones
usually require further navigational software e.g. GPS Test.

>>Even w3w has the capability of
>>putting you on the wrong side of a wall but the person/device
>>originating the code would need to be close to it for that to happen,
>>presuming also that there is no GPS/cellphone error involved.
>
>Then there's locations like expect.tracks.digit (is that on the A14
>verge, or the Girton Road, above). A mere 12 mins, 4.2 miles, apart by
>road.
>
>I've picked that spot because I've seen reports of satnav speed-limit
>software having a nervous breakdown there.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:12:37 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <1bj10hhbnrghr3deujb2eoh5oqtrqmshv8@4ax.com>, at 07:51:58 on
>Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:15:52 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <bsk00hdnmk7sgidbqj4l2nm63t2npdufng@4ax.com>, at 23:06:26 on
>>>Sun, 6 Feb 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>>>>On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 18:35:21 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see such "lost" ambulances fairly often around London.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think most now have "jobs" sent to the terminal in the ambulance and
>>>>>on the various "reality" programmes, I get the impression their control
>>>>>can send the location direct to a Sat Nav.
>>>>>
>>>>They do but that fails where the postcode is for various reasons
>>>>incorrect
>>>
>>>Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>>>the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>>>before.
>>>
>>>>or in some cases defines a larger area (the premises number might not
>>>>have been supplied) where it is possible to find yourself on the wrong
>>>>side of a barrier.
>>>
>>Everywhere on mainland GB has a postcode; geographic postcodes are
>>mapped by area not points. I spent several weeks some years ago
>>finding postcodes for telephone kiosks and other equipment without
>>street addresses.
>
>Nobody knew the postcode of the carriage washing machine, and I'm not
>sure you'd find it in the Royal Mail database.
>
You possibly won't but it will be indicated on a postcode map which
now seem to be available only from third-party suppliers who have
bought the digital information from RM and/or OS.

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 06/02/2022 23:27, Recliner wrote:
>> Is what3words used to pin down location?
>
> I think their control have access to it in case a caller uses it, free
> of charge I believe, unlike others. But I would hope they use a proper
> location system.
>
> Wasn't there a case where one of the emergency services was given a
> location using that but it got slightly garbled so was useless.

That would also apply to postcodes, which are much easier to garble. And
w3w is more precise.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:55:16 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It’s a magazine that has lost its way. Most articles seem to be written by
>>> their contributors with the mindset of what an earth are we going to come
>>> up with this month. Worth a quick flick through as part of a Readly
>>> subscription, but certainly not worth paying for in its own right. I’m
>>> surprised it’s still going, but may be surviving on the basis that there
>>> isn’t much competition these days.
>>
>> It's having to feign great excitement about Windows 11 at the moment, with
>> regular breathless articles and cover stories about it. However, I don't
>> think most PC users have any great interest in it.
>
> Particularly since MS have done their usual nonsense of removing functionality -
> eg being able to reposition the taskbar - only to bring it back later with
> much fanfare as if they've made some great breakthrough in software technology.

Ah, that was one of the things I didn't like about W11. I don't bother
keeping up with it, but it's good to know the taskbar is moveable again. I
always put mine on the left edge of the main monitor.

>
> If Macs weren't so expensive I'm pretty sure Apple would have eaten MS's
> lunch by now in the home market.

Yes, and the new M1 chip is pulling in converts. MS/AMD/Intel don't have an
answer to it.

On 07/02/2022 07:12, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <stpj50$7ol$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:46:55 on Sun, 6 Feb 2022,
> MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 06/02/2022 21:56, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>> OTOH if treated as fly-posting then there are criminal penalties
>>> (<2500UKP plus 100 per day or a 75UKP FPN) but that might need some
>>> examination of the wording of the Planning and Highways legislation in
>>> case e.g. time is allowed to remove an offending item or doing it
>>> accidentally might be part of a defence.
>>
>> Election posters can be put subject to some restrictions and must come
>> down after the election.
>>
>> I suspect most councils will have similar rules.
>>
>> Just do a quick Google search.
>
>    "Removed posters will be retained by the Authority for seven days
>     prior to disposal and may be collected by you during this period."
>
> I can't remember if I mentioned that before, but it's another layer of
> bureaucracy - you can't just send someone round with a pair of cutters
> and put clearly infringing material in the nearest bin.
>
> I see quite few posters on all sorts of street furniture appealing for
> information about lost cats. I'm not sure where they would fit into this
> complex matrix of rules. But at least they normally have some contact
> information on them!

Sadly most cats seem to be dimwitted on roads, and often run in front of
cars -- which is probably a major cause of "lost" cats. So far, I don't
think I have hit any cats, but there have been several "near misses".

In message <stqo6l$apg$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:19:18 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>> Are you seriously suggesting there are 24x7 bus lanes which also have
>> valid car parking spaces on them? even if the Highway Authority was
>> brain-dead enough to create such a monstrosity, you'd need to illegally
>> drive in the bus lane to park there, so that would defuse them
>> immediately.
>
>Would need to see the full regulations, you get some people who believe
>you can never cross double white lines - I impressed an instructor on a
>course when I listed the occasions when you can cross them. :-)

ObRail: I sometimes cross double white lines on the approach to a level
crossing where they've parked a Network Rail van by the side of the
road, and it's the only way to get past.
--
Roland Perry

> "Too late, it was damaged beyond repair while being removed because of
> the danger to pedestrians from the excessively long and untrimmed
> cable ties sticking out at eye level that you used."

Would not have happened if they had used the proper tools for the job.

On 07/02/2022 10:01, Charles Ellson wrote:
> Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
> commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
> wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
> Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
> attachment.

We used to use various universities for an annual meeting. We were told
at one place they covered the windows of illegally parked cars with No
Parking stickers so the driver would have spend time removing them -
probably hurt him more than a fine.

In message <stqogo$cu3$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:24:40 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 08:10, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I think they've missed a trick by not having what.three.words as the
>> front door of their HQ (wherever it is).
>
>"What3Words (W3W) gives each square a unique three-word address, and
>the app is used by 100 UK emergency services.
>
>But a security consultant found thousands of locations with similar
>words less than 1km (0.6 miles) apart."
>
>"Mark Lewis, the head of ICT at Mountain Rescue England and Wales
>(MREW), said that the use of the W3W app had been "testing" for rescue
>teams.
>
>He gave the BBC a database from the last 12 months which listed 45
>locations across England and Wales that rescuers received from lost or
>injured walkers and climbers, which turned out to be incorrect. "

I think it's an accident waiting to happen that they use plurals.

Here's a funny one: knock an "s" off the first word of the square with
my front door, and you end up a couple of hundred yards from the Great
Pyramid in Gisa.

If instead you knock an "s" off the third word, you are in almost the
dead centre of Alaska. That's the very centre, not the burial ground
(I'll get my coat).
--
Roland Perry

In message <stqsh6$76e$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:33:10 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 06/02/2022 23:27, Recliner wrote:
>>> Is what3words used to pin down location?
>>
>> I think their control have access to it in case a caller uses it, free
>> of charge I believe, unlike others. But I would hope they use a proper
>> location system.
>>
>> Wasn't there a case where one of the emergency services was given a
>> location using that but it got slightly garbled so was useless.
>
>That would also apply to postcodes, which are much easier to garble. And
>w3w is more precise.

Postcodes are much easier to sanity-check, they don't have nearly as
much entropy.
--
Roland Perry

In message <stqnp8$8b4$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:12:09 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 07:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>> before.
>
>If it is location that does not receive post then the Postcode will be
>one covering a large area.

Carved on the side of tree?
--
Roland Perry

On 07/02/2022 10:33, Recliner wrote:
> That would also apply to postcodes, which are much easier to garble. And
> w3w is more precise.

People tend to write the postcode down but the three words things looks
easy to remember but if you put raspberry instead of strawberry it could
be anywhere.

You can often work out what an incorrect NGR should be and of course
NGRs have some built in redundancy if you leave off the last figures.

But the reports from several emergency services confirm that the three
words system is leading to errors and also that there is ambiguity -
would not matter if it showed somewhere hundreds of miles away but a
couple of miles error is unacceptable.

On 07/02/2022 11:47, Roland Perry wrote:
> ObRail: I sometimes cross double white lines on the approach to a level
> crossing where they've parked a Network Rail van by the side of the
> road, and it's the only way to get past.

You are allowed to cross double white lines to pass a parked vehicle.

In message <j6c7bkFd08nU1@mid.individual.net>, at 09:33:40 on Mon, 7 Feb
2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:

>>>> I think most now have "jobs" sent to the terminal in the ambulance and
>>>> on the various "reality" programmes, I get the impression their control
>>>> can send the location direct to a Sat Nav.
>>>>
>>> They do but that fails where the postcode is for various reasons
>>> incorrect
>>
>> Or non-existent; not all places have a postcode. I'm sure I've mentioned
>> the carriage washing machine in the sidings outside Cambridge Station
>> before.
>
>Used to cause me the odd problem when I lived on a boat in Southampton,some
>organisations just don’t seem to be able to accept that the circumstances
>of not having a post code can exist .

The postcode of a stretch of river bank near me is apparently that of a
house in a small cul-de-sac about two hundred yards away. Either that,
or the Council's website doesn't have the postcode of the field in
between, which some here appear to insist would have its own.

And of course, it's only possible to select house-numbers from the pick
list, there being no entry for "the distant riverbank" mixed in with
numbers 1-20.
--
Roland Perry

On 07/02/2022 12:07, MB wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 10:33, Recliner wrote:
>> That would also apply to postcodes, which are much easier to garble. And
>> w3w is more precise.
>
> People tend to write the postcode down but the three words things looks
> easy to remember but if you put raspberry instead of strawberry it could
> be anywhere.
>
> You can often work out what an incorrect NGR should be and of course
> NGRs have some built in redundancy if you leave off the last figures.
>
> But the reports from several emergency services confirm that the three
> words system is leading to errors and also that there is ambiguity -
> would not matter if it showed somewhere hundreds of miles away but a
> couple of miles error is unacceptable.

W3W has disadvantages which needed to be built in to monetise it. Any
system built for usability rather than profit would systematically use
similar codes for adjacent locations. The only downside is that users
can then guess the codes without paying the inventor.

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:19:13 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>

> Outside Sainsbury's, Clapham High Street,
> https://goo.gl/maps/wbg2n12TB1EQEepW8
>
That has changed a bit since I was taken there as a youngster when it was
the Museum of British Transport, first visit was before the official
opening as my Dad cheekily blagged our way in,
most stuff was in place but some items like the statue in the entrance were
under dust sheets.
Steps were in place so the footplate of Furness Railway Loco Old
Copperknob was accessible,a feature ISTR was kept while the Loco was at
Clapham.

GH

In message <str253$eia$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:09:08 on Mon, 7 Feb 2022,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 07/02/2022 11:47, Roland Perry wrote:

>> ObRail: I sometimes cross double white lines on the approach to a level
>> crossing where they've parked a Network Rail van by the side of the
>> road, and it's the only way to get past.
>
>You are allowed to cross double white lines to pass a parked vehicle.

The irony being that I'm sure the Highway Code says don't park close to
level crossings.
--
Roland Perry

In message <stqqbi$1pum$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:56:02 on Mon, 7 Feb
2022, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 17:22:13 -0000 (UTC)
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 15:27:17 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> computing. And I'm quoted extensively in the recent Raspberry Pi book on
>>>> 1980's home computing.
>>>
>>> I don't really get the whole Pi link to retro. There's nothing retro about
>>it,
>>> its a compact form Linux computer and just as hard/easy depending on
>>>your POV
>>
>>> to program as any other linux box. A lovely little machine but has nothing
>>in
>>> common with anything from the 80s other than its ARM CPU being a descendent
>>of
>>> Acorn.
>>
>>Perhaps because it's an unashamedly bare-bones computer, like the ones from
>>40+ years ago? Like them, it's aimed at programmers, not consumers.
>
>I wouldn't say its bare bones. Its got pretty much everything a PC motherboard
>has apart from slottable RAM and AFAIK a disk controller.

And sufficient MIPS to adequately do things like video editing.

>Its just small.

--
Roland Perry

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 09:05, Marland wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I see quite few posters on all sorts of street furniture appealing for
>>> information about lost cats. I'm not sure where they would fit into this
>>> complex matrix of rules. But at least they normally have some contact
>>> information on them!
>>
>> Well ,its difficult to cover every situation Purrfectly.
>>
> Now you are just pussy-footing around.
>
>

Is the thread going to the Dogs?

GH

On 07/02/2022 12:49, Marland wrote:
> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:19:13 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>
>> Outside Sainsbury's, Clapham High Street,
>> https://goo.gl/maps/wbg2n12TB1EQEepW8
>>
> That has changed a bit since I was taken there as a youngster when it was
> the Museum of British Transport, first visit was before the official
> opening as my Dad cheekily blagged our way in,
> most stuff was in place but some items like the statue in the entrance were
> under dust sheets.
> Steps were in place so the footplate of Furness Railway Loco Old
> Copperknob was accessible,a feature ISTR was kept while the Loco was at
> Clapham.
>

Didn't it have Stephenson's Rocket on a plinth outside?

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Graeme Wall
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On 07/02/2022 13:04, Marland wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 07/02/2022 09:05, Marland wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see quite few posters on all sorts of street furniture appealing for
>>>> information about lost cats. I'm not sure where they would fit into this
>>>> complex matrix of rules. But at least they normally have some contact
>>>> information on them!
>>>
>>> Well ,its difficult to cover every situation Purrfectly.
>>>
>> Now you are just pussy-footing around.
>>
>>
>
> Is the thread going to the Dogs?
>

A bit of a catastrophe if you ask me.

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Graeme Wall
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On 07/02/2022 12:02, MB wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 10:01, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> Stickers are not always stuck on. Parking ticket envelopes are
>> commonly sticky-backed but usually merely secured under a windscreen
>> wiper (as they are deemed to be "attached" whether stuck on or not).
>> Most motorcycles don't have windscreen wipers thus requiring actual
>> attachment.
>
> We used to use various universities for an annual meeting.  We were told
> at one place they covered the windows of illegally parked cars with No
> Parking stickers so the driver would have spend time removing them -
> probably hurt him more than a fine.
>
>
Some warm water normally takes care of that.