with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
Patel and Hamla played in every match but they managed to have Foakes and
Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.

And Warwicks who were champs last year could be relegated this time.

mike

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:01:27 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
> Patel and Hamla played in every match but they managed to have Foakes and
> Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
> Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.
>
> And Warwicks who were champs last year could be relegated this time.
>
> mike

Proving once again there is little difference in quality between the divisions... RH

In message <84141a5f-aac3-4614-a1eb-72fd619cf691n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
>Patel and Hamla played in every match

I think that even Amla missed one or two games with an injury. As usual,
there were plenty of injuries among the pace bowlers, but as that gave
opportunities to Lawes, Atkinson and McKerr, who all did well, it proved
not to be too big a problem. International calls were more of an issue,
the batting looking a bit thin without Pope and Foakes, but fortunately
our middle and lower order batting proved very strong and made up any
shortfall. Remarkably, we reached over 300 in every first innings and
were never bowled out twice.

> but they managed to have Foakes and
>Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.

And Foakes was injured at one point, though that coincided with the
Tests,

>Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.

Of course Root played in the ODIs as well as the Tests, and Stokes in
the T20s and possibly in some of the ODIs before he decided to give up
that format, so were always going to miss more county games. I don't
know whether they weren't allowed to play for their counties this week
or whether, since not too much was riding on those games as far as their
counties were concerned, they and their counties decided they should
rest.

More surprising was that Crawley wasn't playing for Kent this week, even
though they had a number of injuries and were at risk of relegation.
Maybe Kent decided that his form for them had been so atrocious that he
didn't merit a place!

>
>And Warwicks who were champs last year could be relegated this time.
>
>mike

Yep. It's funny how quickly things can change.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 00:01:27 UTC+1, mike wrote:
> with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
> Patel and Hamla played in every match but they managed to have Foakes and
> Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
> Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.

I do wonder how Surrey would have got on without Pope and his remarkable county form. Probably still not badly.

Highlight of this year has been the emergence of Tom Lawes who looks very good, from the off and I'm sure is not far off the mid-80s on the speed-gun. 21 wickets at 18.8 (with just 2.7 economy testament to the good lines be bowls) is not a bad return for a first season as an 19 y/old.

Richard

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:44:50 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <84141a5f-aac3-4614...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
> >Patel and Hamla played in every match
> I think that even Amla missed one or two games with an injury. As usual,
> there were plenty of injuries among the pace bowlers, but as that gave
> opportunities to Lawes, Atkinson and McKerr, who all did well, it proved
> not to be too big a problem.

they were lucky to have the resources to call on roach and worrall who
took 60+ wkts in the games they played, although Clark had quite a
successful 1st half of season b4 he too got injured. Actually i was
surprised that Jacks was av 50 cos every time i saw him bat in
ods he got out to some careless shot for very little, but he seems
to have made quite an impact this season, plus hes been bowling a bit
too.

>International calls were more of an issue,
> the batting looking a bit thin without Pope and Foakes, but fortunately
> our middle and lower order batting proved very strong and made up any
> shortfall. Remarkably, we reached over 300 in every first innings and
> were never bowled out twice.
> > but they managed to have Foakes and
> >Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
> And Foakes was injured at one point, though that coincided with the
> Tests,
> >Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.
> Of course Root played in the ODIs as well as the Tests, and Stokes in
> the T20s and possibly in some of the ODIs before he decided to give up
> that format, so were always going to miss more county games. I don't
> know whether they weren't allowed to play for their counties this week
> or whether, since not too much was riding on those games as far as their
> counties were concerned, they and their counties decided they should
> rest.

it wasnt really a criticism just that some counties never see much of
their best players once they become england regulars. But as i
believe the ecb pay them so much i guess they might have the final
say in the matter. root and stokes being so vital for england they
dont want to risk a finger or a knee getting injured in a CC match.

>
> More surprising was that Crawley wasn't playing for Kent this week, even
> though they had a number of injuries and were at risk of relegation.
> Maybe Kent decided that his form for them had been so atrocious that he
> didn't merit a place!
> >
> >And Warwicks who were champs last year could be relegated this time.
> >
> >mike
> Yep. It's funny how quickly things can change.

their batting has been poor most of the season.

mike

In message <89702c92-a4fe-4cad-8a5b-d81ca5a4c79bn@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:44:50 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <84141a5f-aac3-4614...@googlegroups.com>,
>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> >with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
>> >Patel and Hamla played in every match
>> I think that even Amla missed one or two games with an injury. As usual,
>> there were plenty of injuries among the pace bowlers, but as that gave
>> opportunities to Lawes, Atkinson and McKerr, who all did well, it proved
>> not to be too big a problem.
>
>they were lucky to have the resources to call on roach and worrall who
>took 60+ wkts in the games they played,

Yep, though they both were absent through injury for a while, and I
think Roach missed some games to play in the Caribbean Premier League as
well.

> although Clark had quite a
>successful 1st half of season b4 he too got injured.

Yes, though he returned for the Yorkshire game and made an important
contribution with both bat and ball.

> Actually i was
>surprised that Jacks was av 50 cos every time i saw him bat in
>ods he got out to some careless shot for very little, but he seems
>to have made quite an impact this season, plus hes been bowling a bit
>too.

He's shown a pleasing ability to adapt his batting from white-ball to
red-ball cricket. Batty seems to see his bowling as being good enough to
omit both the specialist spinners, Virdi and Moriarty. There's one very
recent precedent for a batsman developing their off-spin enough to
become a true all-rounder, of course. Jacks will have done well if his
bowling becomes that good. Whilst Moriarty still has a future in the
one-day side, I imagine that Virdi will understandably be looking for
another county who can offer him more opportunities.

>
>>International calls were more of an issue,
>> the batting looking a bit thin without Pope and Foakes, but fortunately
>> our middle and lower order batting proved very strong and made up any
>> shortfall. Remarkably, we reached over 300 in every first innings and
>> were never bowled out twice.
>> > but they managed to have Foakes and
>> >Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
>> And Foakes was injured at one point, though that coincided with the
>> Tests,
>> >Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.
>> Of course Root played in the ODIs as well as the Tests, and Stokes in
>> the T20s and possibly in some of the ODIs before he decided to give up
>> that format, so were always going to miss more county games. I don't
>> know whether they weren't allowed to play for their counties this week
>> or whether, since not too much was riding on those games as far as their
>> counties were concerned, they and their counties decided they should
>> rest.
>
>it wasnt really a criticism just that some counties never see much of
>their best players once they become england regulars. But as i
>believe the ecb pay them so much i guess they might have the final
>say in the matter. root and stokes being so vital for england they
>dont want to risk a finger or a knee getting injured in a CC match.

Surrey were without Sam Curran, Topley and Jacks against Yorkshire
because they are with England in Pakistan, but had the resources to
cover for their absence. I think Yorkshire suffered much more from being
without Root (rested?), Brooks (with England) and Bairstow (injured).
That took out the heart of their batting, leaving only Lyth and
Kohler-Cadmore with much in the way of experience.

<snip>
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <5258b73e-2dd5-4484-9fe9-035008d00ed3n@googlegroups.com>,
Richard Dixon <richsdixon1975@gmail.com> writes
>On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 00:01:27 UTC+1, mike wrote:
>> with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain Burns
>> Patel and Hamla played in every match but they managed to have Foakes and
>> Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
>> Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.
>
>I do wonder how Surrey would have got on without Pope and his
>remarkable county form. Probably still not badly.

They did OK when he was missing for the Tests. Without him and Foakes,
the top order looked a bit over-reliant on Burns and Amla, but the
middle and lower order filled the breach.

>
>Highlight of this year has been the emergence of Tom Lawes who looks
>very good, from the off and I'm sure is not far off the mid-80s on the
>speed-gun. 21 wickets at 18.8 (with just 2.7 economy testament to the
>good lines be bowls) is not a bad return for a first season as an 19
>y/old.

Indeed. And he can bat a bit too. And at least you can spell his name
correctly, unlike a certain other someone. :)
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 23/09/2022 10:42, John Hall wrote:
> In message <84141a5f-aac3-4614-a1eb-72fd619cf691n@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only Captain
>> Burns
>> Patel and Hamla played in every match
>
> I think that even Amla missed one or two games with an injury.

No, mike was right.

>> but they managed to have Foakes and
>> Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.

Actually, they played 9 and 8 matches. You were looking at the Innings
column.

>> Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.
>
> Of course Root played in the ODIs as well as the Tests, and Stokes in
> the T20s and possibly in some of the ODIs before he decided to give up
> that format, so were always going to miss more county games. I don't
> know whether they weren't allowed to play for their counties this week
> or whether, since not too much was riding on those games as far as their
> counties were concerned, they and their counties decided they should rest.

As Yorkshire are still not safe, that's unlikely in their case.

--
David North

In message <jpa7v9F3u2gU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 23/09/2022 10:42, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <84141a5f-aac3-4614-a1eb-72fd619cf691n@googlegroups.com>,
>>mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> with a game to spare and without losing a match. I think only
>>>Captain Burns
>>> Patel and Hamla played in every match
>> I think that even Amla missed one or two games with an injury.
>
>No, mike was right.

Yes, he was. My apologies, mike.
>
>>> but they managed to have Foakes and
>>> Pope in 12 and 11 games, quite a feat since they played in all the tests.
>
>Actually, they played 9 and 8 matches. You were looking at the Innings
>column.
>
>>> Compare that to Root and Stokes for their teams.
>> Of course Root played in the ODIs as well as the Tests, and Stokes
>>in the T20s and possibly in some of the ODIs before he decided to give
>>that format, so were always going to miss more county games. I don't
>>know whether they weren't allowed to play for their counties this week
>>or whether, since not too much was riding on those games as far as
>>their counties were concerned, they and their counties decided they
>>should rest.
>
>As Yorkshire are still not safe, that's unlikely in their case.
>

They might have assumed they were safe, until Kent shocked everyone by
beating Hampshire.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)