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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 19:38 UTC

A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.

It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving..

The 21-year-old pleaded guilty and was fined £300. He also incurred five penalty points.

The near-miss occurred on the single-track Sibmister Road, at Murkle, on July 30, last year.

Fiscal Emma Petersen said that the accused's car, a Ford Fiesta, was approaching the bend "at speed". Baikie swerved away and mounted the grass verge on the opposite side of the road, in order to pass the cyclist and avoid a collision.

The incident was recorded on another motorist's dash-cam. Solicitor Meegan Anderson said that Baikie, a fitter-welder, of Mackay Street, Castletown, "wouldn't be driving like that again".

She added: "The accused regrets having done so. He got a fright and has learned from it."

https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/careless-driver-in-near-miss-with-cyclist-on-single-track-ca-302821/

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 19:54 UTC

On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
> It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.

For *missing* the fairy-cyclist?

> The 21-year-old pleaded guilty and was fined £300. He also incurred five penalty points.
> The near-miss occurred on the single-track Sibmister Road, at Murkle, on July 30, last year.
> Fiscal Emma Petersen said that the accused's car, a Ford Fiesta, was approaching the bend "at speed". Baikie swerved away and mounted the grass verge on the opposite side of the road, in order to pass the fairy-cyclist and avoid a collision.
> The incident was recorded on another motorist's dash-cam. Solicitor Meegan Anderson said that Baikie, a fitter-welder, of Mackay Street, Castletown, "wouldn't be driving like that again".
> She added: "The accused regrets having done so. He got a fright and has learned from it."
> https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/news/careless-driver-in-near-miss-with-cyclist-on-single-track-ca-302821/

What did he do wrong?

He took evasive action to avoid a collision with the fairy-cyclist.

What evasive action did the fairy-cyclist take?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 20:07 UTC

QUOTE: It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.

The 21-year-old pleaded guilty and was fined £300. He also incurred five penalty points. ENDS

Always better to fess up early doors as we say in the trade.

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 20:41 UTC

On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 19:54:43 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
> > It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.
> For *missing* the cyclist?

So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless they kill an innocent bystander.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 21:02 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:41:08 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless they kill an innocent bystander.

Drunk drivers can be arrested and banned for sitting in their driver's seat while drunk in a pub car park.

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 by: Spike - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 22:29 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 19:54:43 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a
>>> cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
>>> It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.
>> For *missing* the cyclist?
>
> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless
> they kill an innocent bystander.

Try having a dry month, see if that helps.

--
Spike

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 by: Spike - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 22:29 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:41:08 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless
>> they kill an innocent bystander.

> Drunk drivers can be arrested and banned for sitting in their driver's
> seat while drunk in a pub car park.

Your knowledge of the law is matched only by the grammar by which you
express it.

--
Spike

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:18 UTC

On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 22:29:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 19:54:43 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a
> >>> cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
> >>> It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.
> >> For *missing* the cyclist?
> >
> > So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless
> > they kill an innocent bystander.
> Try having a dry month, see if that helps.
>
> --
> Spike

I don't think any human can survive without water for a month.

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:20 UTC

On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 22:29:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 19:54:43 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a
> >>> cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
> >>> It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.
> >> For *missing* the cyclist?
> >
> > So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless
> > they kill an innocent bystander.
> Try having a dry month, see if that helps.
>
> --
> Spike

Do you have a friend called Bill?

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 01:37 UTC

On 10/02/2023 08:41 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 19:54:43 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
>>> It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.

>> For *missing* the cyclist?

> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless they kill an innocent bystander.

Thank you for proving my point so completely.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:53 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:02:06 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:41:08 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless they kill an innocent bystander.
> Drunk drivers can be arrested and banned for sitting in their driver's seat while drunk in a pub car park.

Motorists who are sleeping, or sitting in their vehicle have found themselves facing serious charges despite the fact that they have not actually driven or attempted to drive a vehicle.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:18 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 22:29:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 19:54:43 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2023 07:38 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A speedy driver had to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a
>>>>> cyclist on a country road, Wick Sheriff Court heard on Wednesday.
>>>>> It resulted in the driver, Ally Baikie, being charged with careless driving.
>>>> For *missing* the cyclist?
>>>
>>> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless
>>> they kill an innocent bystander.
>> Try having a dry month, see if that helps.
>>
>> --
>> Spike
>
> I don't think any human can survive without water for a month.

Are you sure it water that’s rotting your brain?

--
Spike

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 by: Spike - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:18 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:02:06 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:41:08 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>>
>>> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless
>>> they kill an innocent bystander.
>> Drunk drivers can be arrested and banned for sitting in their driver's
>> seat while drunk in a pub car park.
>
> Motorists who are sleeping, or sitting in their vehicle have found
> themselves facing serious charges despite the fact that they have not
> actually driven or attempted to drive a vehicle.

I think you’ve got something there that shines a light on all those cyclist
Single Vehicle deaths: they fell asleep while on their bicycles! That might
account for the 50% of the ‘accidents’ to cycling MPs that occurred in the
last 11 years.

--
Spike

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On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 5:53:55 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:02:06 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:41:08 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
> >
> > > So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless they kill an innocent bystander.
> > Drunk drivers can be arrested and banned for sitting in their driver's seat while drunk in a pub car park.
> Motorists who are sleeping, or sitting in their vehicle have found themselves facing serious charges despite the fact that they have not actually driven or attempted to drive a vehicle.

The myth about not having access to the keys is just that.

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 11:54 UTC

On 11/02/2023 11:33 am, swldx...@gmail.com...

....pretending to respond to his own posts, says:

> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 5:53:55 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

....pretending to respond to his own posts, says:

>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:02:06 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:41:08 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>>>> So using your 'logic' drunk motorists should not be prosecuted unless they kill an innocent bystander.

>>> Drunk drivers can be arrested and banned for sitting in their driver's seat while drunk in a pub car park.

>> Motorists who are sleeping, or sitting in their vehicle have found themselves facing serious charges despite the fact that they have not actually driven or attempted to drive a vehicle.

> The myth about not having access to the keys is just that...

....so says an idiot.

The offence you describe is being "in charge of a motor vehicle on a
road whilst having [blood alcohol in excess of a defined level]".

The Act specifically provides a defence to that charge, which is that no
offence is committed where the suspected person can show that there was
no prospect of his driving the vehicle in question at the time in
question. The provision does not mention keys.

The absence of the vehicle's keys makes driving the vehicle impossible,
though I dare say a seasoned fairy-cyclist has "ways" of bypassing the
steering lock and ignition system. But for normal people... not so much.

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QUOTE:Fiscal Emma Petersen said that the accused's car, a Ford Fiesta, was approaching the bend "at speed". Baikie swerved away and mounted the grass verge on the opposite side of the road, in order to pass the cyclist and avoid a collision. ENDS

If you have to "swerve" and "mount a verge" to avoid a collision, you are GOING TOO FAST. You should never drive in a manner where you cannot stop within your visual limits.

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:30 UTC

On 11/02/2023 02:29 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE:Fiscal Emma Petersen said that the accused's car, a Ford Fiesta, was approaching the bend "at speed". Baikie swerved away and mounted the grass verge on the opposite side of the road, in order to pass the fairy-cyclist and avoid a collision. ENDS
>
> If you have to "swerve" and "mount a verge" to avoid a collision, you are GOING TOO FAST. You should never drive in a manner where you cannot stop within your visual limits.

Does that also apply to idiotic fairy-cyclists hurtling round a blind
corner on the *footway*?

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Subject: Re: Careless driver in near-miss with fairy-cyclist on
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Date: 11 Feb 2023 15:49:10 GMT
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 by: Spike - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:49 UTC

JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:
> On 11/02/2023 02:29 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUOTE:Fiscal Emma Petersen said that the accused's car, a Ford Fiesta,
>> was approaching the bend "at speed". Baikie swerved away and mounted the
>> grass verge on the opposite side of the road, in order to pass the
>> fairy-cyclist and avoid a collision. ENDS
>>
>> If you have to "swerve" and "mount a verge" to avoid a collision, you
>> are GOING TOO FAST. You should never drive in a manner where you cannot
>> stop within your visual limits.
>
> Does that also apply to idiotic fairy-cyclists hurtling round a blind
> corner on the *footway*?

Happened to me, only it was a tandem, so had quite a lot of killing power.
I shouted for them to get in the road, and got the usual “Fuck you!”
response so beloved of cyclists.

I expect more of the same in the coming 15-minute cities. Quite why mixing
vulnerable pedestrians and arrogant cyclists is seen as a good thing is a
mystery to behold.

Still it could be worse, we could be in Amsterdam.

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Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 17:12 UTC

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:29:39 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE:Fiscal Emma Petersen said that the accused's car, a Ford Fiesta, was approaching the bend "at speed". Baikie swerved away and mounted the grass verge on the opposite side of the road, in order to pass the cyclist and avoid a collision. ENDS
>
> If you have to "swerve" and "mount a verge" to avoid a collision, you are GOING TOO FAST. You should never drive in a manner where you cannot stop within your visual limits.

QUOTE: Baikie, a fitter-welder, of Mackay Street, Castletown, "wouldn't be driving like that again".

She added: "The accused regrets having done so. He got a fright and has learned from it." ENDS

I should hope so - next time he may not be so lucky.
Good that he learned his lesson.


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