I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or phrases.. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not at all offended. The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.

But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is remembered mainly for this controversial action.

RtH

In message <62123ffc-a399-4886-92a9-54cfaeba26c2n@googlegroups.com>,
Robbert ter Hart <rterhart@gmail.com> writes
>I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or
>phrases. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political
>correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not
>at all offended. The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.
>
>But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an
>alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is
>remembered mainly for this controversial action.
>
>RtH

There's a piece by Scyld Berry on the back page of today's Telegraph
sports section describing Mankad's career and making the same point.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:26:32 AM UTC+1, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 1:34 AM, Robbert ter Hart wrote:
> > I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or phrases. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not at all offended.
> Westerners DON'T understand that "NOT all people on this planet" behave
> and think "exactly the same way", like whites do.
>
> Even today, western whites do some research on "behavior in some issue"
> on a SMALL SAMPLE of western whites and then DECLARE and APPLY that to
> the entire human species.
>
> I perceived this 30 years ago, with mere common sense.
>
> Western intelligence is THE MOST OVER RATED thing on this planet.
>
> HOW can they be intelligent, when they DON'T even have common sense?
>
> Western whites in fact USE that political correctness to SELL THEMSELVES
> as "superior, civilized and angelic".
>
>
>
> Point No.2:
>
> All these things of names and racist words are "minor", because Western
> Govts STILL subliminally INJECT "superiority complex into whites" and
> "inferiority complex, slavishness and self loathing" into POC Minds
> regularly using MSM, Hollywood and actions by Police, FBI, CIA, NSA etc.
>
>
> Look at the way the EVIL Western white christian THIEVES "DEMONIZED and
> DEHUMANIZED" Russian public for the last 7 months.
>
> Western whites WERE NEVER CIVILIZED. They CUNNINGLY brainwashed the
> whole world "TO THINK that WASPs are civilized".
> >The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.
> >
> > But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is remembered mainly for this controversial action.
> >
> > RtH

For God's sake bring back the Raj!!! RH

On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 09:34:24 UTC+1, rter...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or phrases. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not at all offended. The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.
>
> But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is remembered mainly for this controversial action.

Care to suggest an alternative term that's just as snappy?

Op dinsdag 27 september 2022 om 14:52:09 UTC+2 schreef nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk:
> On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 09:34:24 UTC+1, rter...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or phrases. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not at all offended. The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.
> >
> > But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is remembered mainly for this controversial action.
> Care to suggest an alternative term that's just as snappy?

I suppose that is why the name has stuck around for so long: there doesn't seem to be a realistic alternative. But that doesn't mean people can't come up with one.

Vinoo Mankad lived for about 30 years after the incident that caused the dismissal to be named after him. Do we know what he thought of this 'honour'?

RtH

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 3:58:57 PM UTC+1, rter...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op dinsdag 27 september 2022 om 14:52:09 UTC+2 schreef nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk:
> > On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 09:34:24 UTC+1, rter...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or phrases. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not at all offended. The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.

i didnt realise there was 1.
> > >
> > > But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is remembered mainly for this controversial action.

to be fair, he did do it twice although in different matches and to the
same batter. i think it was bill brown, whether there was some aggro
between them i dunno.

> > Care to suggest an alternative term that's just as snappy?
> I suppose that is why the name has stuck around for so long: there doesn't seem to be a realistic alternative. But that doesn't mean people can't come up with one.
>

perhaps they could call it Browned. Actually i read that it first happened
in 1835 when Barker ran out Baigent of Sussex at Nottingham.

mike

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 05:52:08 -0700 (PDT), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 09:34:24 UTC+1, rter...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I am generally not in favor of renaming generally accepted terms or phrases. Too often, IMO, it is done in the name of political correctness, or a fear of offending people who, it turns out, are not at all offended. The ban on the term 'chinaman' is a case in point.
>>
>> But in the case of Mankading, surely it is time to think of an alternative? It is a bit unfair that such a fine cricketer is remembered mainly for this controversial action.
>
>Care to suggest an alternative term that's just as snappy?

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