The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players . Listed bellow are players from both the beginning and the end of the winning .

1952
Laurie Fishlock
David Fletcher
Tom Clark RoB
Peter May
Bernard Constable
John n Parker RM
Geoffrey Whitaker
Arthur McIntyre wk
Stuart Surridge RFM
Alec Bedser RFM
Peter Loader RF
Eric Bedser RoB
Tony Lock SLA
Jim Laker RoB

1958
Mickey Stewart
David Fletcher
Tom Clark ROB
Peter May
Ken Barrington LBG
Bernard Constable
Arthur McIntyre wk
Alec Bedser RFM
Peter Loader RF
David Gibson RFM
Dave Sydenham LFM
John Hall RFM
Eric Bedser RoB
Tony Lock SLA
Jim Laker RoB

TH

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 11:59:58 PM UTC+10, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players

You sure about that?
The most noteworthy thing to me is the list of great players.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 2:59:58 PM UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players . Listed bellow are players from both the beginning and the end of the winning .
>
> 1952
> Laurie Fishlock
> David Fletcher
> Tom Clark RoB
> Peter May
> Bernard Constable
> John n Parker RM
> Geoffrey Whitaker
> Arthur McIntyre wk
> Stuart Surridge RFM
> Alec Bedser RFM
> Peter Loader RF
> Eric Bedser RoB
> Tony Lock SLA
> Jim Laker RoB
>
>
> 1958
> Mickey Stewart
> David Fletcher
> Tom Clark ROB
> Peter May
> Ken Barrington LBG
> Bernard Constable
> Arthur McIntyre wk
> Alec Bedser RFM
> Peter Loader RF
> David Gibson RFM
> Dave Sydenham LFM
> John Hall RFM
> Eric Bedser RoB
> Tony Lock SLA
> Jim Laker RoB
>

The only established Test players in

1952
May,
Alec Bedser
Tony Lock
Jim Laker

The only established Test players in

1958

Alec Bedser, Who never played a Test after 1955
May
Lock
Laker

RH

On 25/09/2022 12:47, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 2:59:58 PM UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players . Listed bellow are players from both the beginning and the end of the winning .
>>
>> 1952
>> Laurie Fishlock
>> David Fletcher
>> Tom Clark RoB
>> Peter May
>> Bernard Constable
>> John n Parker RM
>> Geoffrey Whitaker
>> Arthur McIntyre wk
>> Stuart Surridge RFM
>> Alec Bedser RFM
>> Peter Loader RF
>> Eric Bedser RoB
>> Tony Lock SLA
>> Jim Laker RoB
>>
>>
>> 1958
>> Mickey Stewart
>> David Fletcher
>> Tom Clark ROB
>> Peter May
>> Ken Barrington LBG
>> Bernard Constable
>> Arthur McIntyre wk
>> Alec Bedser RFM
>> Peter Loader RF
>> David Gibson RFM
>> Dave Sydenham LFM
>> John Hall RFM
>> Eric Bedser RoB
>> Tony Lock SLA
>> Jim Laker RoB
>>
>
>
> The only established Test players in
>
> 1952
> May,
> Alec Bedser
> Tony Lock
> Jim Laker
>
> The only established Test players in
>
> 1958
>
> Alec Bedser, Who never played a Test after 1955
> May
> Lock
> Laker

Lock was certainly not as established in 1952 as Loader was in 1958, and
it's debatable whether May was significantly more established in 1952
than Loader was in 1958 either.

--
David North

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
> that really all that noteworthy?

How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:15:57 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 23/09/2022 14:59, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players . Listed bellow are players from both the beginning and the end of the winning .
> >
> > 1952
> > Laurie Fishlock
> > David Fletcher
> > Tom Clark RoB
> > Peter May
> > Bernard Constable
> > John n Parker RM
> > Geoffrey Whitaker
> > Arthur McIntyre wk
> > Stuart Surridge RFM
> > Alec Bedser RFM
> > Peter Loader RF
> > Eric Bedser RoB
> > Tony Lock SLA
> > Jim Laker RoB
> Missing from that list are Alan Brazier, Dennis Cox, Geoff Kirby, John
> McMahon and Ron Pratt. None of those played more than 7 matches, but
> Loader only played 4.

I deliberately left out those who were occasional., RH
> > 1958
> > Mickey Stewart
> > David Fletcher
> > Tom Clark ROB
> > Peter May
> > Ken Barrington LBG
> > Bernard Constable
> > Arthur McIntyre wk
> > Alec Bedser RFM
> > Peter Loader RF
> > David Gibson RFM
> > Dave Sydenham LFM
> > John Hall RFM
> > Eric Bedser RoB
> > Tony Lock SLA
> > Jim Laker RoB
> plus John Edrich, Brian Parsons, Pratt again, Roy Swetman and Michael
> Willett.

Again I excluded occasional s those in the year in question

RH
>
> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
> that really all that noteworthy? Of the 19 players who appeared in
> Yorkshire's CC-winning side in 1962, 12 also appeared in 1968. OK, they
> only won 5 out of 7 Championships in that period.
>
> --
> David North

I did not say other counties could not display continuity in their players. RH

On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
>> that really all that noteworthy?
> How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
> Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)

A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after some
random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and 70%
[similarly]. After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
and fast bowlers; top teams tend to be more stable than weaker teams; many
players have several years at either the start or end of their careers when
they play only occasionally, so it depends how you define "still playing".
Then there are era dependencies; for example, it is much more normal now
for players to change counties, so players may still be playing, but not
for the same team.

Executive summary: without doing lots of work, I don't believe that
11/19 [~58%] would be exceptional, but I'm open to correction.

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Ganz

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 21:03:58 +0100, Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk>
wrote:

> Executive summary: without doing lots of work, I don't believe that
>11/19 [~58%] would be exceptional, but I'm open to correction.

It was in the 1950s, so it was exceptional by definition.... RH

On 25/09/2022 21:03, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10,
>> nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
>>> that really all that noteworthy?
>> How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
>> Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
>
>     A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after
> some
> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and
> 70%
> [similarly].  After that, there are several complicating factors:
> top-class
> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
> and fast bowlers;  top teams tend to be more stable than weaker teams;
> many
> players have several years at either the start or end of their careers when
> they play only occasionally, so it depends how you define "still playing".

By "still playing" above, I meant that they played in at least one CC
match in the season in question (for the same county).

> Then there are era dependencies;  for example, it is much more normal now
> for players to change counties, so players may still be playing, but not
> for the same team.

... and overseas players come and go. I doubt we'd find many of them
playing for the same county in two seasons six years apart.

--
David North

On 26/09/2022 07:14, David North wrote:
> On 25/09/2022 21:03, Andy Walker wrote:
>> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10,
>>> nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
>>>> that really all that noteworthy?
>>> How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
>>> Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
>>
>>      A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10
>> and
>> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years
>> after some
>> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4]
>> and 70%
>> [similarly].  After that, there are several complicating factors:
>> top-class
>> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal
>> players
>> and fast bowlers;  top teams tend to be more stable than weaker teams;
>> many
>> players have several years at either the start or end of their careers
>> when
>> they play only occasionally, so it depends how you define "still
>> playing".
>
> By "still playing" above, I meant that they played in at least one CC
> match in the season in question (for the same county).
>
>> Then there are era dependencies;  for example, it is much more normal now
>> for players to change counties, so players may still be playing, but not
>> for the same team.
>
> .. and overseas players come and go. I doubt we'd find many of them
> playing for the same county in two seasons six years apart.

To be clear, I mean official overseas players, and in recent years.
Going back, say, 25+ years, we'd find quite a few.

--
David North

On 25/09/2022 20:53, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:15:57 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>> On 23/09/2022 14:59, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>> The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players . Listed bellow are players from both the beginning and the end of the winning .
>>>
>>> 1952
>>> Laurie Fishlock
>>> David Fletcher
>>> Tom Clark RoB
>>> Peter May
>>> Bernard Constable
>>> John n Parker RM
>>> Geoffrey Whitaker
>>> Arthur McIntyre wk
>>> Stuart Surridge RFM
>>> Alec Bedser RFM
>>> Peter Loader RF
>>> Eric Bedser RoB
>>> Tony Lock SLA
>>> Jim Laker RoB
>> Missing from that list are Alan Brazier, Dennis Cox, Geoff Kirby, John
>> McMahon and Ron Pratt. None of those played more than 7 matches, but
>> Loader only played 4.
>
> I deliberately left out those who were occasional., RH

Well, if we set a minimum of 8 matches (to include May but not Cox),
then Loader is excluded ...

>
>>> 1958
>>> Mickey Stewart
>>> David Fletcher
>>> Tom Clark ROB
>>> Peter May
>>> Ken Barrington LBG
>>> Bernard Constable
>>> Arthur McIntyre wk
>>> Alec Bedser RFM
>>> Peter Loader RF
>>> David Gibson RFM
>>> Dave Sydenham LFM
>>> John Hall RFM
>>> Eric Bedser RoB
>>> Tony Lock SLA
>>> Jim Laker RoB
>> plus John Edrich, Brian Parsons, Pratt again, Roy Swetman and Michael
>> Willett.
>
> Again I excluded occasional s those in the year in question

... and here Hall and Sydenham are excluded.

That leaves 9 out of 13 from 1952 who also appear on the 1958 list
(which Yorkshire would match in 1962/68).

--
David North

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 07:59:06 +0100, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 25/09/2022 20:53, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:15:57 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 23/09/2022 14:59, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>>> The most noteworthy thing about Surrey's seven wins in a row is the continuity of players . Listed bellow are players from both the beginning and the end of the winning .
>>>>
>>>> 1952

>>
>> I deliberately left out those who were occasional., RH
>
>Well, if we set a minimum of 8 matches (to include May but not Cox),
>then Loader is excluded ...
>
>>
>>>> 1958

>>
>> Again I excluded occasional s those in the year in question
>
>.. and here Hall and Sydenham are excluded.
>
>That leaves 9 out of 13 from 1952 who also appear on the 1958 list
>(which Yorkshire would match in 1962/68).

Putting forward a theory about continuity of selection but excluding
any evidence which contradicts the theory seems very on-brand.

Cheers,

Mike

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:04:02 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> >> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
> >> that really all that noteworthy?
> > How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
> > Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
> A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after some
> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and 70%
> [similarly]. After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
> and fast bowler

Tell that to Tom R ichardson, Bill Lockwood, Arthur Mold, Waler Brearly, Bill Hitch,Arthur Fielder Gubby Allen, Bill Vocem, Bill Copson, Brian Staham, Fred Trueman, Alf Gover, Peter Loader... RH

s; top teams tend to be more stable than weaker teams; many
> players have several years at either the start or end of their careers when
> they play only occasionally, so it depends how you define "still playing".
> Then there are era dependencies; for example, it is much more normal now
> for players to change counties, so players may still be playing, but not
> for the same team.
>
> Executive summary: without doing lots of work, I don't believe that
> 11/19 [~58%] would be exceptional, but I'm open to correction.
>
> --
> Andy Walker, Nottingham.
> Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
> Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Ganz

In message <bea6d5f6-463b-4d74-a9b5-061110b0053fn@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Henderson <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:04:02 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
>> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10,
>> >nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>> >> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
>> >> that really all that noteworthy?
>> > How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
>> > Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
>> A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
>> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after some
>> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and 70%
>> [similarly]. After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
>> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
>> and fast bowler
>
>
>Tell that to Tom R ichardson, Bill Lockwood, Arthur Mold, Waler
>Brearly, Bill Hitch,Arthur Fielder Gubby Allen, Bill Vocem, Bill
>Copson, Brian Staham, Fred Trueman, Alf Gover, Peter Loader... RH

That there have been exceptions does not disprove Andy's point. Fast
bowling clearly puts more of a strain on the body than either spin
bowling or batting. Many (most?) fast bowlers have had their careers
interrupted by injury, and many have had to reduce their pace later in
their careers because their body could no longer stand bowling truly
fast (Lillee immediately comes to mind, after he suffered a stress
fracture of the back).
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:41:16 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <bea6d5f6-463b-4d74-a9b5-061110b0053fn@googlegroups.com>,
>Robert Henderson <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>>On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:04:02 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
>>> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
>>> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10,
>>> >nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>> >> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
>>> >> that really all that noteworthy?
>>> > How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
>>> > Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
>>> A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
>>> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after some
>>> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and 70%
>>> [similarly]. After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
>>> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
>>> and fast bowler
>>
>>
>>Tell that to Tom R ichardson, Bill Lockwood, Arthur Mold, Waler
>>Brearly, Bill Hitch,Arthur Fielder Gubby Allen, Bill Vocem, Bill
>>Copson, Brian Staham, Fred Trueman, Alf Gover, Peter Loader... RH
>
>That there have been exceptions does not disprove Andy's point.

15 in 100 years makes them rarities. Andy said "tend to have", which
specifically allows for exceptions.

Were one able to tell the redoubtable individuals involved what Andy
said, they would undoubtedly agree.

Cheers,

Mike

On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 19:54:16 UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:41:16 +0100, John Hall
> <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In message <bea6d5f6-463b-4d74...@googlegroups.com>,
> >Robert Henderson <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >>On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:04:02 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> >>> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
> >>> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10,
> >>> >nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> >>> >> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
> >>> >> that really all that noteworthy?
> >>> > How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
> >>> > Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
> >>> A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
> >>> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after some
> >>> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and 70%
> >>> [similarly]. After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
> >>> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
> >>> and fast bowler
> >>
> >>
> >>Tell that to Tom R ichardson, Bill Lockwood, Arthur Mold, Waler
> >>Brearly, Bill Hitch,Arthur Fielder Gubby Allen, Bill Vocem, Bill
> >>Copson, Brian Staham, Fred Trueman, Alf Gover, Peter Loader... RH
> >
> >That there have been exceptions does not disprove Andy's point.
> 15 in 100 years makes them rarities. Andy said "tend to have", which
> specifically allows for exceptions.
>
> Were one able to tell the redoubtable individuals involved what Andy
> said, they would undoubtedly agree.

Here's a list of the 138 players with 500+ FC matches:

https://stats.acscricket.com/Records/First_Class/Overall/Players/Most_Appearances.html

The only two from RH's list included are Trueman (603 matches, 59th place) and Statham (559, joint-75th).

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 1:56:15 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 19:54:16 UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:41:16 +0100, John Hall
> > <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >In message <bea6d5f6-463b-4d74...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >Robert Henderson <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> > >>On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:04:02 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> > >>> On 25/09/2022 20:23, jack fredricks wrote:
> > >>> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:15:57 AM UTC+10,
> > >>> >nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> > >>> >> So 11 of the 19 who played in 1952 were still playing 6 years later. Is
> > >>> >> that really all that noteworthy?
> > >>> > How does that "stability" compare to other teams at the time?
> > >>> > Anecdotally is fine by me, no need for actual research :)
> > >>> A decent county-class player typically has a career of between 10 and
> > >>> 20 seasons, meaning that the chance of them still playing 6 years after some
> > >>> random season is between 40% [random season was season 1, 2, 3 or 4] and 70%
> > >>> [similarly]. After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
> > >>> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
> > >>> and fast bowler
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Tell that to Tom R ichardson, Bill Lockwood, Arthur Mold, Waler
> > >>Brearly, Bill Hitch,Arthur Fielder Gubby Allen, Bill Vocem, Bill
> > >>Copson, Brian Staham, Fred Trueman, Alf Gover, Peter Loader... RH
> > >
> > >That there have been exceptions does not disprove Andy's point.
> > 15 in 100 years makes them rarities. Andy said "tend to have", which
> > specifically allows for exceptions.
> >
> > Were one able to tell the redoubtable individuals involved what Andy
> > said, they would undoubtedly agree.
> Here's a list of the 138 players with 500+ FC matches:
>
> https://stats.acscricket.com/Records/First_Class/Overall/Players/Most_Appearances.html
>
> The only two from RH's list included are Trueman (603 matches, 59th place) and Statham (559, joint-75th).

The first point to make is that 500 or more fc matches is too large because a player for example, would need to play 20 years at 25 matches a season to reach 500 appearances, . That would have to be achieved without injury (most improbable) and in a county XI for other FC matches . There is also the question of when a player first gains a regular place in a county side.

The list also contains a good hand of RFM bowlers who would also be prone to the type of strains that out and out fast bowlers suffer, eg Geary, Douglas, Newman, Kennedy, Tate, Shackleton etc . rH

On 29/09/2022 18:41, John Hall wrote:
> In message <bea6d5f6-463b-4d74-a9b5-061110b0053fn@googlegroups.com>, Robert Henderson <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
[I wrote:]
>>> After that, there are several complicating factors: top-class
>>> players and spinners tend to have longer careers than more marginal players
>>> and fast bowlers
>> Tell that to Tom R ichardson, Bill Lockwood, Arthur Mold, Waler
>> Brearly, Bill Hitch,Arthur Fielder Gubby Allen, Bill Vocem, Bill
>> Copson, Brian Staham, Fred Trueman, Alf Gover, Peter Loader...
>> RH
> That there have been exceptions does not disprove Andy's point.

Most of those listed by Robert aren't even "exceptions". Allen is
the only one with unequivocally a career much over 20 years [1921-50]; Voce
played 1927-52 but essentially retired in 1948; Trueman played 1949-68 [20
seasons], and of course "Jimmy" [who Robert didn't mention] is 2002-2022 and
counting. Four of Robert's list didn't even make 15 years, most of the rest
are in the range 15-19 -- a full but in no way exceptional length of career.

I expect Robert is but one of many here who could produce comparable
lists of Test-class batsmen and spinners /all/ of whom had careers of more
than 20 years, even without first glancing at David's list. As John points
out, there are good reasons why fast bowlers /tend/, other things being equal,
to have shorter careers than other players -- or, at least, to slow down in
cricketing "old age".

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Belliss