On 30/07/2021 09:09, Chris M. White wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:25:50 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris M. White wrote on 29/07/2021 :
>>> Your thoughts on anything I haven't considered (I mean *technical*
>>> issues, not daft observations about legality etc.) I would remind you
>>> all there are plenty of classic cars on the road that don't have ABS
>>> at all so it's not inherently dangerous.
>>
>> I think it should probably work, if it passes the ignition on tests,
>> but it is highly illegal. If an ABS system is fitted then it it legally
>> required to work properly.
>>
>> The way they work, is a Hall sensor is fixed to the static part of the
>> hub, the rotating part has a series of tiny magnets around its
>> periphery, perhaps 40, which produces pulses to the ABS ECU.
>>
>> What can happen is that the magnets can attract rust, which can then
>> upset the pulse count from a wheel.
>>
>> You might be able to remove the sensor and poke an even stronger magnet
>> through the hole, then rotate the hub, to try to 'suck' loose rust off
>> the hub.If the warning lights come on and stay on before the car is
>> moved, the likely fault is the sensor, or its wiring.
>>
>> If they appear when you first get to a low speed, then it points to the
>> magnetic hub issue or rust.
>
> The most accurate summation so far. You obviously know your stuff!
> This car is too old to have serious money spent on it. The next owner
> will be the scrappie so I'm only going to run it into the ground
> anyway.
> I'll try your magnet idea in the first instance and fingers crossed
> that may work, as the lights don't come on until the car's moved some
> distance. Thanks for your input!
>

The video shows that the failure mode for this model of MB is the magnet
ring becomes detached from the carrier on the axle.

On 31/07/2021 00:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:35:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 30/07/2021 19:56, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:04:38 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Natural Philosopher explained on 30/07/2021 :
>>>>> Guitar pickups have a magnet in the coil. No need for rotating magnets - just
>>>>> teeth on a sensor ring going past will do the job
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I didn't know they were teeth, knowledge corrected.
>>>
>>> In the vehicle under discussion, they ARE magnets. However, there are
>>> *other* vehicles which use a slightly different technique with a
>>> different kind of sensor and plain steel toothed rings to achieve the
>>> same end. You're more likely to find the toothed ring system used in
>>> distributors, IIRC.
>>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNW3YQhwpK4
>>
>> suggests that that merc uses a 'guitar pickup' and a toothed ring
>
> THIS video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEeG9rTJ0zM
>
> Shows the actual model and year. It's sub-3 minutes in length and you
> can very clearly see there are no teeth in the new ring he's putting
> on.
>
There are no visible teeth OR visible magnets. The one removed was
uniformly rusty.

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On 31/07/2021 09:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/07/2021 00:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:35:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/07/2021 19:56, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:04:38 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>>>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher explained on 30/07/2021 :
>>>>>> Guitar pickups have a magnet in the coil. No need for rotating
>>>>>> magnets - just
>>>>>> teeth on a sensor ring going past will do the job
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, I didn't know they were teeth, knowledge corrected.
>>>>
>>>> In the vehicle under discussion, they ARE magnets. However, there are
>>>> *other* vehicles which use a slightly different  technique with a
>>>> different kind of sensor and plain steel toothed rings to achieve the
>>>> same end. You're more likely to find the toothed ring system used in
>>>> distributors, IIRC.
>>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNW3YQhwpK4
>>>
>>> suggests that that merc uses a 'guitar pickup' and a toothed ring
>>
>> THIS video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEeG9rTJ0zM
>>
>> Shows the actual model and year. It's sub-3 minutes in length and you
>> can very clearly see there are no teeth in the new ring he's putting
>> on.
>>
> There are no visible teeth OR visible magnets. The one removed was
> uniformly rusty.
>
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsqy8TeEcA8

gives a lot more detail. Not a job for an amateur. Probably at least
£300 at a garage

They claim that the outer ring is in some way magnetised.

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Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

On 31/07/2021 00:10, Theo wrote:
> In uk.d-i-y Nick Finnigan <Nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 30/07/2021 18:01, Theo wrote:
>>> That is presumably so if you're hit by an unroadworthy vehicle the insurance
>>> company can't say 'sorry, unroadworthy, we're not paying'. But it doesn't
>>> mean they can't (try to) recover those costs from the person holding the
>>> insurance policy for that vehicle, because they are in breach of the
>>> insurance T&C and in doing so have caused the insurer a substantial loss.
>>
>> No, they are not in breach of the T&C. See above.
>
> If your policy is invalidated, for example by not telling the insurer about
> modifications, and they are forced to pay out, they will seek to recover
> costs from you:
>
>
> https://www.directline.com/assets/pdf/car-insurance-policy-document.pdf
>
> Taking care of your car
> You and any person who is covered by this
> policy must do all of the following:
>> Make sure your car is roadworthy.
>
> Modifications to your car
> Modifications are changes to your car’s standard
> specification, including optional extras.If you wish to modify your car, you
> must tell us what modifications you want to make, and we must agree to them
> beforehand.
> Modifications include changes to the appearance or the performance of your
> car, including wheels, suspension, bodywork, engine and any additional
> software features (excluding those provided free as software updates by the
> manufacturer). This is not a complete list. If you don’t provide correct and
> complete information or inform us of any changes, this could invalidate your
> policy or mean we don’t pay claims in full or at all.
>
>
> Payments made outside the terms of the policy
> If we have to make a payment that isn’t covered by this policy because we’re
> required to do so under any country’s laws, we may ask you (or the person
> who is legally responsible) to pay us back any payment made that isn’t
> covered by this policy. This includes any amount that we have to pay because
> you don’t provide accurate and complete information.

The policy is not invalidated (in England and Wales); read the Act.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 11:06:33 +0100, Nick Finnigan <Nix@genie.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 31/07/2021 00:10, Theo wrote:
>> In uk.d-i-y Nick Finnigan <Nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 30/07/2021 18:01, Theo wrote:
>>>> That is presumably so if you're hit by an unroadworthy vehicle the insurance
>>>> company can't say 'sorry, unroadworthy, we're not paying'. But it doesn't
>>>> mean they can't (try to) recover those costs from the person holding the
>>>> insurance policy for that vehicle, because they are in breach of the
>>>> insurance T&C and in doing so have caused the insurer a substantial loss.
>>>
>>> No, they are not in breach of the T&C. See above.
>>
>> If your policy is invalidated, for example by not telling the insurer about
>> modifications, and they are forced to pay out, they will seek to recover
>> costs from you:
>>
>> https://www.directline.com/assets/pdf/car-insurance-policy-document.pdf
>>
>> Taking care of your car
>> You and any person who is covered by this
>> policy must do all of the following:
>>> Make sure your car is roadworthy.
>>
>> Modifications to your car
>> Modifications are changes to your car’s standard
>> specification, including optional extras.If you wish to modify your car, you
>> must tell us what modifications you want to make, and we must agree to them
>> beforehand.
>> Modifications include changes to the appearance or the performance of your
>> car, including wheels, suspension, bodywork, engine and any additional
>> software features (excluding those provided free as software updates by the
>> manufacturer). This is not a complete list. If you don’t provide correct and
>> complete information or inform us of any changes, this could invalidate your
>> policy or mean we don’t pay claims in full or at all.
>>
>> Payments made outside the terms of the policy
>> If we have to make a payment that isn’t covered by this policy because we’re
>> required to do so under any country’s laws, we may ask you (or the person
>> who is legally responsible) to pay us back any payment made that isn’t
>> covered by this policy. This includes any amount that we have to pay because
>> you don’t provide accurate and complete information.
>
> The policy is not invalidated (in England and Wales); read the Act.

My understanding is that there are two sides to this: the rights of
the third party and the rights of the insurer.

The third party enjoys protection (with additional arrangements in
place for uninsured drivers and untraced drivers). This has long been
a feature of road traffic legislation, for reasons that are entirely
understandable.

However, if the policyholder is in breach of policy conditions it is
open to the insurer to make a claim against the policyholder (without
prejudice to the rights of the third party). If you think about it,
this has to be the case or there would be no incentive for the
policyholder to be honest in the proposal form or to comply with the
policy conditions.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 08:46:59 +0100, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 29/07/2021 21:26, alan_m wrote:
>> On 29/07/2021 21:00, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 29/07/2021 20:30, Chris M. White wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I have an aging (18 year old) Mercedes W211 which has developed a
>>>> fault which is causing the dash to light up like a Christmas tree.
>>>> This one fault is causing 3 different warning lights and associated
>>>> text warnings to come up: ABS, ESP and SB. I took it to an independent
>>>> garage that specialises in Mercs and has all the software etc. Turns
>>>> out the problem is a magnetic ring buried deep inside the n/s rear
>>>> stub axle. The part costs peanuts, but is *murder* to get at.
>>>
>>> Is the wire to it on a connector located near the stub axle?  If so is
>>> it a fault with the sensor or just a bad connection or corrosion in
>>> the connector?
>>>
>>
>> Youtube
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZFH3npitg
>>
>> the £500 repair
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsqy8TeEcA8
>>
>
>Be about right at £125/hr. It's at least a 4 hour job and as the camber
>and toe adjusters are removed it needs an alignment job.

Toe adjusters? On the rear hubs? All that should be necessary is for
the components to be reassembled with the suspension under load.

>
>18mm bolts wtf?

Those will be for the brake calipers; nothing odd about that.

>The M12 tri hex bit is available from machine mart in a set with M10,
>M12, M14, M16 and M18 bits. I found that out doing rear brake discs on
>my bothers Audi A3 after I had bought a Draper set of tri-hex, torx and
>hex bits that only went up to M10.

Machine Mart? Pah! Check this set out for value:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142617518154?epid=3007152524&hash=item2134aaa04a:g:D3wAAOSw3ZtaKV6c

Free delivery if you're in the UK too!
--

"You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person
than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This person
must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 09:14:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 31/07/2021 09:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 31/07/2021 00:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:35:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/07/2021 19:56, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:04:38 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>>>>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher explained on 30/07/2021 :
>>>>>>> Guitar pickups have a magnet in the coil. No need for rotating
>>>>>>> magnets - just
>>>>>>> teeth on a sensor ring going past will do the job
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, I didn't know they were teeth, knowledge corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the vehicle under discussion, they ARE magnets. However, there are
>>>>> *other* vehicles which use a slightly different  technique with a
>>>>> different kind of sensor and plain steel toothed rings to achieve the
>>>>> same end. You're more likely to find the toothed ring system used in
>>>>> distributors, IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNW3YQhwpK4
>>>>
>>>> suggests that that merc uses a 'guitar pickup' and a toothed ring
>>>
>>> THIS video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEeG9rTJ0zM
>>>
>>> Shows the actual model and year. It's sub-3 minutes in length and you
>>> can very clearly see there are no teeth in the new ring he's putting
>>> on.
>>>
>> There are no visible teeth OR visible magnets. The one removed was
>> uniformly rusty.
>>
>>
>>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsqy8TeEcA8
>
>gives a lot more detail. Not a job for an amateur. Probably at least
>£300 at a garage
>
>They claim that the outer ring is in some way magnetised.

Er, it is! And it clearly doesn't have any teeth either.

On 31/07/2021 08:46, Peter Hill wrote:
> On 29/07/2021 21:26, alan_m wrote:
>> On 29/07/2021 21:00, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 29/07/2021 20:30, Chris M. White wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I have an aging (18 year old) Mercedes W211 which has developed a
>>>> fault which is causing the dash to light up like a Christmas tree.
>>>> This one fault is causing 3 different warning lights and associated
>>>> text warnings to come up: ABS, ESP and SB. I took it to an independent
>>>> garage that specialises in Mercs and has all the software etc. Turns
>>>> out the problem is a magnetic ring buried deep inside the n/s rear
>>>> stub axle. The part costs peanuts, but is *murder* to get at.
>>>
>>> Is the wire to it on a connector located near the stub axle?  If so
>>> is it a fault with the sensor or just a bad connection or corrosion
>>> in the connector?
>>>
>>
>> Youtube
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZFH3npitg
>>
>> the £500 repair
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsqy8TeEcA8
>>
>
> Be about right at £125/hr. It's at least a 4 hour job and as the camber
> and toe adjusters are removed it needs an alignment job.
>
> 18mm bolts wtf?

On Japanese cars they're 2 a penny, and they also like Metric fine
threads. Though to my knowledge 18mm isn't an ISO standard.

> The M12 tri hex bit is available from machine mart in a set with M10,
> M12, M14, M16 and M18 bits. I found that out doing rear brake discs on
> my bothers Audi A3 after I had bought a Draper set of tri-hex, torx and
> hex bits that only went up to M10.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 08:53:15 +0100, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 30/07/2021 09:09, Chris M. White wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:25:50 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris M. White wrote on 29/07/2021 :
>>>> Your thoughts on anything I haven't considered (I mean *technical*
>>>> issues, not daft observations about legality etc.) I would remind you
>>>> all there are plenty of classic cars on the road that don't have ABS
>>>> at all so it's not inherently dangerous.
>>>
>>> I think it should probably work, if it passes the ignition on tests,
>>> but it is highly illegal. If an ABS system is fitted then it it legally
>>> required to work properly.
>>>
>>> The way they work, is a Hall sensor is fixed to the static part of the
>>> hub, the rotating part has a series of tiny magnets around its
>>> periphery, perhaps 40, which produces pulses to the ABS ECU.
>>>
>>> What can happen is that the magnets can attract rust, which can then
>>> upset the pulse count from a wheel.
>>>
>>> You might be able to remove the sensor and poke an even stronger magnet
>>> through the hole, then rotate the hub, to try to 'suck' loose rust off
>>> the hub.If the warning lights come on and stay on before the car is
>>> moved, the likely fault is the sensor, or its wiring.
>>>
>>> If they appear when you first get to a low speed, then it points to the
>>> magnetic hub issue or rust.
>>
>> The most accurate summation so far. You obviously know your stuff!
>> This car is too old to have serious money spent on it. The next owner
>> will be the scrappie so I'm only going to run it into the ground
>> anyway.
>> I'll try your magnet idea in the first instance and fingers crossed
>> that may work, as the lights don't come on until the car's moved some
>> distance. Thanks for your input!
>>
>
>The video shows that the failure mode for this model of MB is the magnet
>ring becomes detached from the carrier on the axle.

*Eventually* yes. But long before it gets that bad, according to some
of the good and the great on this group, rust particles build up on
the ring causing this malfunction. So I can hopefully at least buy
some time!

On 31/07/2021 14:46, Fredxx wrote:
> On 31/07/2021 08:46, Peter Hill wrote:
>>
>> 18mm bolts wtf?
>
> On Japanese cars they're 2 a penny, and they also like Metric fine
> threads. Though to my knowledge 18mm isn't an ISO standard.
>

Japanese cars I've had and worked on.

Datsun 100A estate.
Datsun 120A coupe.
Datsun Bluebird estate 1.8GL.
Datsun by Nissan Bluebird hardtop coupe 1.8GL.
Toyota Celica 2.0XT liftback.
Mazda 323F GXi estate.
Nissan 200SX fastback x4.

Nephew's
Toyota Celica VVTLi.
Honda Civic 1.4.

Niece
Nissan Micra K11.

None of them had a single bolt with a 18mm AF head. At that size they
are all 17mm and 19mm AF.

Yet another reason to never buy a newer car.

On 31/07/2021 12:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 08:46:59 +0100, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/07/2021 21:26, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 29/07/2021 21:00, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 29/07/2021 20:30, Chris M. White wrote:
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an aging (18 year old) Mercedes W211 which has developed a
>>>>> fault which is causing the dash to light up like a Christmas tree.
>>>>> This one fault is causing 3 different warning lights and associated
>>>>> text warnings to come up: ABS, ESP and SB. I took it to an independent
>>>>> garage that specialises in Mercs and has all the software etc. Turns
>>>>> out the problem is a magnetic ring buried deep inside the n/s rear
>>>>> stub axle. The part costs peanuts, but is *murder* to get at.
>>>>
>>>> Is the wire to it on a connector located near the stub axle?  If so is
>>>> it a fault with the sensor or just a bad connection or corrosion in
>>>> the connector?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Youtube
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZFH3npitg
>>>
>>> the £500 repair
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsqy8TeEcA8
>>>
>>
>> Be about right at £125/hr. It's at least a 4 hour job and as the camber
>> and toe adjusters are removed it needs an alignment job.
>
> Toe adjusters? On the rear hubs? All that should be necessary is for
> the components to be reassembled with the suspension under load.
>
>>
>> 18mm bolts wtf?
>
> Those will be for the brake calipers; nothing odd about that.
>
>> The M12 tri hex bit is available from machine mart in a set with M10,
>> M12, M14, M16 and M18 bits. I found that out doing rear brake discs on
>> my bothers Audi A3 after I had bought a Draper set of tri-hex, torx and
>> hex bits that only went up to M10.
>
> Machine Mart? Pah! Check this set out for value:
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142617518154?epid=3007152524&hash=item2134aaa04a:g:D3wAAOSw3ZtaKV6c
>
> Free delivery if you're in the UK too!

Those are Torx these are tri-hex spline
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/blue-spot-5-piece-12-spline-bit-set-m10-m18/

>
But my brother's car was at my brother's home, 135 miles from my home
and I wanted the job done so I could go home. I wasn't going to wait
around 3 days for tools to arrive. As MM shop was on Bath side of
Bristol it only took an hour to do Bath > Bristol > Bath.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:12:28 +0100, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Yet another reason to never buy a newer car.

Hey, another convert! Welcome aboard! Modern cars are shite. And
doubly so if they're electric/hybrid.
--

"You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person
than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This person
must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:32:24 +0100, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 31/07/2021 12:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 08:46:59 +0100, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/07/2021 21:26, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 29/07/2021 21:00, alan_m wrote:
>>>>> On 29/07/2021 20:30, Chris M. White wrote:
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an aging (18 year old) Mercedes W211 which has developed a
>>>>>> fault which is causing the dash to light up like a Christmas tree.
>>>>>> This one fault is causing 3 different warning lights and associated
>>>>>> text warnings to come up: ABS, ESP and SB. I took it to an independent
>>>>>> garage that specialises in Mercs and has all the software etc. Turns
>>>>>> out the problem is a magnetic ring buried deep inside the n/s rear
>>>>>> stub axle. The part costs peanuts, but is *murder* to get at.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the wire to it on a connector located near the stub axle?  If so is
>>>>> it a fault with the sensor or just a bad connection or corrosion in
>>>>> the connector?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Youtube
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZFH3npitg
>>>>
>>>> the £500 repair
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsqy8TeEcA8
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be about right at £125/hr. It's at least a 4 hour job and as the camber
>>> and toe adjusters are removed it needs an alignment job.
>>
>> Toe adjusters? On the rear hubs? All that should be necessary is for
>> the components to be reassembled with the suspension under load.
>>
>>>
>>> 18mm bolts wtf?
>>
>> Those will be for the brake calipers; nothing odd about that.
>>
>>> The M12 tri hex bit is available from machine mart in a set with M10,
>>> M12, M14, M16 and M18 bits. I found that out doing rear brake discs on
>>> my bothers Audi A3 after I had bought a Draper set of tri-hex, torx and
>>> hex bits that only went up to M10.
>>
>> Machine Mart? Pah! Check this set out for value:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142617518154?epid=3007152524&hash=item2134aaa04a:g:D3wAAOSw3ZtaKV6c
>>
>> Free delivery if you're in the UK too!
>
>Those are Torx these are tri-hex spline
>https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/blue-spot-5-piece-12-spline-bit-set-m10-m18/

So... what can they do that Torx bits can't? Plus Torx is *way* more
common than those things. In fact I don't ever remember encountering
something like that. The only reason someone would invent a fastener
that tool requires would be to make it far more likely for the car to
be returned to the main dealers when something goes wrong AFAICS.
--

"You must therefore confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person
than the bourgeois; than the middle-class owner of property. This person
must indeed be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

- Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto

On 30/07/2021 21:20, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:29:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 30/07/2021 19:56, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:04:38 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Natural Philosopher explained on 30/07/2021 :
>>>>> Guitar pickups have a magnet in the coil. No need for rotating magnets - just
>>>>> teeth on a sensor ring going past will do the job
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I didn't know they were teeth, knowledge corrected.
>>>
>>> In the vehicle under discussion, they ARE magnets.
>>
>> Are you sure? That seems to be to be an expensive and unreliable way to
>> do it.
>
> Yes and yes.
> According to the OP it's a ~2003 W211 so it will use the magnet rings.
> And yes, it IS an expensive and unreliable technique!
>

It's been reliable for 18 years which not an unreasonable
lifespan for a car (mileage and usage dependant).

Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote
> On 30/07/2021 21:20, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:29:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/07/2021 19:56, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:04:38 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>>>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher explained on 30/07/2021 :
>>>>>> Guitar pickups have a magnet in the coil. No need for rotating
>>>>>> magnets - just
>>>>>> teeth on a sensor ring going past will do the job
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, I didn't know they were teeth, knowledge corrected.
>>>>
>>>> In the vehicle under discussion, they ARE magnets.
>>>
>>> Are you sure? That seems to be to be an expensive and unreliable way to
>>> do it.
>>
>> Yes and yes.
>> According to the OP it's a ~2003 W211 so it will use the magnet rings.
>> And yes, it IS an expensive and unreliable technique!
>>
>
> It's been reliable for 18 years which not an unreasonable
> lifespan for a car (mileage and usage dependant).

Bullshit and it should be a lot easier to replace when it fails too.

Peter Hill wrote:

> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
>> Peter Hill wrote:
>>
>>> The M12 tri hex bit is available from machine mart in a set with M10,
>>> M12, M14, M16 and M18 bits. I found that out doing rear brake discs on
>>> my bothers Audi A3 after I had bought a Draper set of tri-hex, torx and
>>> hex bits that only went up to M10.
>>
>> Machine Mart? Pah! Check this set out for value:
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142617518154?epid=3007152524&hash=item2134aaa04a:g:D3wAAOSw3ZtaKV6c
>
> Those are Torx these are tri-hex spline

ITYM triple-square?

> https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/blue-spot-5-piece-12-spline-bit-set-m10-m18/

On 31/07/2021 12:23, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 11:06:33 +0100, Nick Finnigan <Nix@genie.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/07/2021 00:10, Theo wrote:
>>> In uk.d-i-y Nick Finnigan <Nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 30/07/2021 18:01, Theo wrote:
>>>>> That is presumably so if you're hit by an unroadworthy vehicle the insurance
>>>>> company can't say 'sorry, unroadworthy, we're not paying'. But it doesn't
>>>>> mean they can't (try to) recover those costs from the person holding the
>>>>> insurance policy for that vehicle, because they are in breach of the
>>>>> insurance T&C and in doing so have caused the insurer a substantial loss.
>>>>
>>>> No, they are not in breach of the T&C. See above.
>>>
>>> If your policy is invalidated, for example by not telling the insurer about
>>> modifications, and they are forced to pay out, they will seek to recover
>>> costs from you:
>>>
>>> https://www.directline.com/assets/pdf/car-insurance-policy-document.pdf
>>>
>>> Taking care of your car
>>> You and any person who is covered by this
>>> policy must do all of the following:
>>>> Make sure your car is roadworthy.
>>>
>>> Modifications to your car
>>> Modifications are changes to your car’s standard
>>> specification, including optional extras.If you wish to modify your car, you
>>> must tell us what modifications you want to make, and we must agree to them
>>> beforehand.
>>> Modifications include changes to the appearance or the performance of your
>>> car, including wheels, suspension, bodywork, engine and any additional
>>> software features (excluding those provided free as software updates by the
>>> manufacturer). This is not a complete list. If you don’t provide correct and
>>> complete information or inform us of any changes, this could invalidate your
>>> policy or mean we don’t pay claims in full or at all.
>>>
>>> Payments made outside the terms of the policy
>>> If we have to make a payment that isn’t covered by this policy because we’re
>>> required to do so under any country’s laws, we may ask you (or the person
>>> who is legally responsible) to pay us back any payment made that isn’t
>>> covered by this policy. This includes any amount that we have to pay because
>>> you don’t provide accurate and complete information.
>>
>> The policy is not invalidated (in England and Wales); read the Act.
>
> My understanding is that there are two sides to this: the rights of
> the third party and the rights of the insurer.
>
> The third party enjoys protection (with additional arrangements in
> place for uninsured drivers and untraced drivers). This has long been
> a feature of road traffic legislation, for reasons that are entirely
> understandable.
>
> However, if the policyholder is in breach of policy conditions it is
> open to the insurer to make a claim against the policyholder (without
> prejudice to the rights of the third party). If you think about it,
> this has to be the case or there would be no incentive for the
> policyholder to be honest in the proposal form or to comply with the
> policy conditions.

The policyholder would not be in breach of the policy conditions; the
'rights' of the insurer are limited. Read The Act.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 11:30:50 +0100, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

>On 30/07/2021 21:20, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:29:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/07/2021 19:56, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:04:38 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
>>>> <a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher explained on 30/07/2021 :
>>>>>> Guitar pickups have a magnet in the coil. No need for rotating magnets - just
>>>>>> teeth on a sensor ring going past will do the job
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, I didn't know they were teeth, knowledge corrected.
>>>>
>>>> In the vehicle under discussion, they ARE magnets.
>>>
>>> Are you sure? That seems to be to be an expensive and unreliable way to
>>> do it.
>>
>> Yes and yes.
>> According to the OP it's a ~2003 W211 so it will use the magnet rings.
>> And yes, it IS an expensive and unreliable technique!
>>
>
>It's been reliable for 18 years which not an unreasonable
>lifespan for a car (mileage and usage dependant).

But it's highly unusual for this component to last *that* long,
though! They can give up the ghost before 6 years even - and it's
always due to corrosion. It's a well-known issue on these cars and the
closer you live to the coast or the more you use the car on salted
roads in winter, the quicker the problem will arise.
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