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* female judge jails woman offenderMax
+* Re: female judge jails woman offenderDechucka
|+* Re: female judge jails woman offenderPhil Allison
||`- Re: female judge jails woman offenderJames Morrison
|`* Re: female judge jails woman offenderMax
| `- Re: female judge jails woman offenderPhil Allison
`* Re: female judge jails woman offenderSylvia Else
 `* Re: female judge jails woman offenderPhil Allison
  +* Re: female judge jails woman offenderSylvia Else
  |+* Re: female judge jails woman offenderDechucka
  ||`* Re: female judge jails woman offenderSylvia Else
  || +- Re: female judge jails woman offenderDechucka
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  | `* Re: female judge jails woman offenderDechucka
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  |  |`* Re: female judge jails woman offenderMax
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 by: Max - Wed, 7 Jul 2021 06:27 UTC

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987

A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
for sexually assaulting a student.

Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they seem
to be treated more lightly than male offenders.

It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.

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 by: Dechucka - Wed, 7 Jul 2021 06:31 UTC

On 7/07/2021 4:27 pm, Max wrote:
> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>
>
> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
> for sexually assaulting a student.
>
> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they seem
> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.

Have you got any basis for this statement
>
> It's also good that the judge was a woman

Why?

>- maybe it's better that
> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.

Should the Judge also be ethnically, sexuality and religiously matched
to the defendant?

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 by: Phil Allison - Wed, 7 Jul 2021 07:22 UTC

Dechucka wrote:
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> > Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they seem
> > to be treated more lightly than male offenders.

> Have you got any basis for this statement

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/do-women-get-lighter-sentences-than-men/

> >- maybe it's better that
> > female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.

** She began by denying everything, intefered with a witness ( boy's mum) and tried to hide evidence.
She was initially denied bail because of this and had to appeal.
Her family got her one of NSW's best female lawyers, Margaret Cunneen SC.

First year teacher teaching a subject she knew nothing about ( Geography) to teen boys.
Unfit to teach, to say the very least.

...... Phil

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 by: Max - Wed, 7 Jul 2021 10:00 UTC

On 7/07/2021 4:31 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 4:27 pm, Max wrote:
>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>
>>
>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>> judge for sexually assaulting a student.
>>
>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they
>> seem to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>
> Have you got any basis for this statement

I remember at least one case where a woman didn't get jail.

>>
>> It's also good that the judge was a woman
>
> Why?
>

I think a male judge might be a lenient on a female accused.

>> - maybe it's better that female judges preside over these cases where
>> the accused is a woman.
>
> Should the Judge also be ethnically, sexuality and religiously matched
> to the defendant?
>

That's going too far. At the very least it's a reason to increase the
number of females in the judiciary.

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Max puked:
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> I think a male judge might be a lenient on a female accused.

** Depends if he got divorced some time in the past...

....... Phil

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 02:00 UTC

On 07-Jul-21 4:27 pm, Max wrote:
> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>
>
> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
> for sexually assaulting a student.
>
> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they seem
> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>
> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.

I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.

Sylvia.

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 by: Phil Allison - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 02:11 UTC

Sylvia Else wrote:
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> > https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
> >
> >
> > A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
> > for sexually assaulting a student.
> >
> > Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they seem
> > to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
> >
> > It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
> > female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>
> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>

** LOL

I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
Looks like they are after a big " victims of crime " payout.

Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?

...... Phil

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 02:33 UTC

On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ==============
>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>
>>>
>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>
>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they seem
>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>
>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>
>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>
>
> ** LOL
>
> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
> Looks like they are after a big " victims of crime " payout.
>
> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>
>
> ..... Phil
>

One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of the
ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults come
along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.

For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he boned
his teacher.

Sylvia.

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 by: Dechucka - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 02:38 UTC

On 8/07/2021 12:33 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ==============
>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>
>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they
>>>> seem
>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>
>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>
>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>
>>
>>   **  LOL
>>
>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>
>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals  ?
>>
>>
>> .....   Phil
>>
>
> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
> thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of the
> ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults come
> along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.
>
> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he boned
> his teacher.

So what?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 03:00 UTC

On 08-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> On 8/07/2021 12:33 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> ==============
>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>>> judge
>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   **  LOL
>>>
>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>
>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals  ?
>>>
>>>
>>> .....   Phil
>>>
>>
>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
>> thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of
>> the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults
>> come along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.
>>
>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>> boned his teacher.
>
> So what?
>

So, the victim impact statement may be false, or the level of victimhood
may have been significantly raised by the activities of people other
than the accused.

The sexual equality movement may not like it, but males and females are
different, especially when it comes to sex. We should not assume that
the female teacher's relationship with a boy has the same impact as a
male teacher's relationship with a girl.

Sylvia.

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 by: Dechucka - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 03:19 UTC

On 8/07/2021 1:00 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 08-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 8/07/2021 12:33 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> ==============
>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>>>> judge
>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>
>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>
>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals  ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>
>>>
>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
>>> thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of
>>> the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults
>>> come along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.
>>>
>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>>> boned his teacher.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>
> So, the victim impact statement may be false, or the level of victimhood
> may have been significantly raised by the activities of people other
> than the accused.
>
> The sexual equality movement may not like it, but males and females are
> different, especially when it comes to sex. We should not assume that
> the female teacher's relationship with a boy has the same impact as a
> male teacher's relationship with a girl.

I never seen the point of victim impact statements except as a form of
closure for the victim knowing their voice has been heard. IMHO it
should not have any effect on the sentence. If/when I'm murdered it
should make no difference to the perps sentence if people get up and say
"he's was an absolute shit and good riddance to him no great loss"

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 by: Phil Allison - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 03:48 UTC

Sylvia Else wrote:
==============
>
> >>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
> >>> Looks like they are after a big " victims of crime " payout.
> >>>
> >>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
> >>>
> >>> ..... Phil

> >
> So, the victim impact statement may be false, or the level of victimhood
> may have been significantly raised by the activities of people other
> than the accused.

--------------------------------------

** Even so, that is a very predictable outcome what of the teacher did, soon as it became widely known.

The boy is entitled to a V of C payout - a puny amount in most cases.

> The sexual equality movement may not like it, but males and females are
> different, especially when it comes to sex. We should not assume that
> the female teacher's relationship with a boy has the same impact as a
> male teacher's relationship with a girl.
>

** Age matters lot and if the victim became identified by peers.

....... Phil

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Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfit to teach, to say the very least.

except biology? :-)

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 8 Jul 2021 03:53 UTC

"Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ==============
>> > https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>> >
>> >
>> > A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female judge
>> > for sexually assaulting a student.
>> >
>> > Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they
>> > seem
>> > to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>> >
>> > It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>> > female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.

>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.

> LOL

> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
> Looks like they are after a big " victims of crime " payout.

> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?

Obviously that slut. Nothing he did was illegal.

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 by: jonz - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 02:31 UTC

On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ==============
>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>> judge
>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>
>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they
>>>> seem
>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>
>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>
>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>
>>
>>   **  LOL
>>
>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>
>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>
>>
>> .....   Phil
>>
>
> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
> thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of
> the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults
> come along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.

~~~~~~

Indeed.

>
> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
> boned his teacher.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in the
day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not necessarily
involving a teacher. ;))

>
> Sylvia.

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 by: Dechucka - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 02:38 UTC

On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> ==============
>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>>> judge
>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often they
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   **  LOL
>>>
>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>
>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>
>>>
>>> .....   Phil
>>>
>>
>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
>> thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of
>> the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults
>> come along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.
>
> ~~~~~~
>
> Indeed.
>
>>
>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>> boned his teacher.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in the
> day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not necessarily
> involving a teacher. ;))

The teacher was the perp not him.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 02:41 UTC

On 09-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> ==============
>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>>>> judge
>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>
>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>
>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>
>>>
>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not have
>>> thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had any of
>>> the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the adults
>>> come along and start telling them how bad they should be feeling.
>>
>> ~~~~~~
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>>
>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>>> boned his teacher.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in the
>> day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>
> The teacher was the perp not him.

Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other than
in a purely legal sense.

Sylvia.

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 by: Dechucka - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 03:05 UTC

snip

>>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in
>>> the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>>
>> The teacher was the perp not him.
>
> Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other than
> in a purely legal sense.

That is the only thing relevant. I'll give another example. The two
idiots who stole the big bird costume returned it with an apology but
still got charged with stealing it. Is there a victim other than in a
purely legal sense?

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 by: James Morrison - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 03:46 UTC

On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 12:38:16 +1000
Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The teacher was the perp not him.

Obviously mentally ill, but no excuse.

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 by: Max - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 08:25 UTC

On 9/07/2021 12:41 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 09-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not
>>>> have thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had
>>>> any of the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the
>>>> adults come along and start telling them how bad they should be
>>>> feeling.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>>>> boned his teacher.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in
>>> the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>>
>> The teacher was the perp not him.
>
> Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other than
> in a purely legal sense.
>

Why is it a crime then for a female teacher to have sex with a male
student of that age?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 08:47 UTC

On 09-Jul-21 6:25 pm, Max wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 12:41 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 09-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a
>>>>>>>> female judge
>>>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a
>>>>>>>> woman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not
>>>>> have thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had
>>>>> any of the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until
>>>>> the adults come along and start telling them how bad they should be
>>>>> feeling.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>>>>> boned his teacher.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in
>>>> the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>>>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>>>
>>> The teacher was the perp not him.
>>
>> Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other
>> than in a purely legal sense.
>>
>
> Why is it a crime then for a female teacher to have sex with a male
> student of that age?
>
He's below the age of consent, and also she's in a position of authority
over him.

Sylvia.

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 by: Max - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 09:35 UTC

On 9/07/2021 6:47 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 09-Jul-21 6:25 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 12:41 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 09-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a
>>>>>>>>> female judge
>>>>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a
>>>>>>>>> woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not
>>>>>> have thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had
>>>>>> any of the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until
>>>>>> the adults come along and start telling them how bad they should
>>>>>> be feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>>>>>> boned his teacher.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in
>>>>> the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>>>>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>>>>
>>>> The teacher was the perp not him.
>>>
>>> Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other
>>> than in a purely legal sense.
>>>
>>
>> Why is it a crime then for a female teacher to have sex with a male
>> student of that age?
>>
> He's below the age of consent, and also she's in a position of authority
> over him.
>

Why does the law have an age of consent?

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 by: jonz - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 10:29 UTC

On 7/9/2021 12:38 PM, Dechucka wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> ==============
>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a female
>>>>>> judge
>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better that
>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>
>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>
>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>
>>>
>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not
>>> have thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no had
>>> any of the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim, until the
>>> adults come along and start telling them how bad they should be
>>> feeling.
>>
>> ~~~~~~
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>>
>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how he
>>> boned his teacher.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in
>> the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>
> The teacher was the perp not him.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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 by: Dechucka - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 10:35 UTC

On 9/07/2021 7:35 pm, Max wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 6:47 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 09-Jul-21 6:25 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 12:41 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 09-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a
>>>>>>>>>> female judge
>>>>>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed. Often
>>>>>>>>>> they seem
>>>>>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a
>>>>>>>>>> woman.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>>>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not
>>>>>>> have thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no
>>>>>>> had any of the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim,
>>>>>>> until the adults come along and start telling them how bad they
>>>>>>> should be feeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how
>>>>>>> he boned his teacher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back in
>>>>>> the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!. (Not
>>>>>> necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>>>>>
>>>>> The teacher was the perp not him.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other
>>>> than in a purely legal sense.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why is it a crime then for a female teacher to have sex with a male
>>> student of that age?
>>>
>> He's below the age of consent, and also she's in a position of
>> authority over him.
>>
>
> Why does the law have an age of consent?

To stop you fucking a 6 yo old that you've convinced to consent to have
sex with you
>

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 by: Max - Fri, 9 Jul 2021 10:50 UTC

On 9/07/2021 8:35 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 7:35 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 6:47 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 09-Jul-21 6:25 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2021 12:41 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 09-Jul-21 12:38 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/07/2021 12:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/8/2021 12:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 08-Jul-21 12:11 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-sex-teacher-monica-young-jailed-for-assaulting-teen-student/news-story/58250638a72d188b9b2ee4a82bc40987
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A female former Sydney school teacher has been jailed by a
>>>>>>>>>>> female judge
>>>>>>>>>>> for sexually assaulting a student.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good to see a female offender of this type being jailed.
>>>>>>>>>>> Often they seem
>>>>>>>>>>> to be treated more lightly than male offenders.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's also good that the judge was a woman - maybe it's better
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> female judges preside over these cases where the accused is a
>>>>>>>>>>> woman.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder who wrote the boy's victim impact statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   **  LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suspect it was done by a lawyer, laying it on thick.
>>>>>>>>> Looks like they are after a big  " victims of crime " payout.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems the boy is a victim of someone, but who are the criminals ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .....   Phil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One concern I have with these cases is that the "victim" may not
>>>>>>>> have thought of themselves as a victim, felt like a victim, no
>>>>>>>> had any of the ill effects that could be suffered by a victim,
>>>>>>>> until the adults come along and start telling them how bad they
>>>>>>>> should be feeling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For all we know, this victim may be telling his mates about how
>>>>>>>> he boned his teacher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don`t doubt that for a minute.:). "Victim"??? since when?. Back
>>>>>>> in the day such goings on were considered a rite of passage!.
>>>>>>> (Not necessarily involving a teacher. ;))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The teacher was the perp not him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the question is just to what extent the boy is a victim other
>>>>> than in a purely legal sense.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why is it a crime then for a female teacher to have sex with a male
>>>> student of that age?
>>>>
>>> He's below the age of consent, and also she's in a position of
>>> authority over him.
>>>
>>
>> Why does the law have an age of consent?
>
> To stop you fucking a 6 yo old that you've convinced to consent to have
> sex with you
>

We're talking about a 14 yo so why mention a 6 yo ?

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