Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 09:43, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Coming back to trains, Fife Circle trains leaving Waverley are announced as
>> being for (IIRC) Glenrothes with Thornton. Once they leave Haymarket they
>> are announced as being for Edinburgh Waverley.
>
> I'm surprised it's so early. Visitors getting on at Haymarket must get
> worried, as they are hoping to travel away from Waverley. I'd have made
> the change after leaving Inverkeithing or later.

Yes, it startled me too. I’ve only been on that route a couple of times
and it was a while ago so there may have been changes.

“This train is for … Glenrothes with Thornton, calling at … Haymarket,
Edinburgh Gateway, Dalmeny, North Queensferry, Inverkeithing…”

“This train is for … Edinburgh Waverley, calling at … Edinburgh Gateway,
Dalmeny, North Queensferry, Inverkeithing…”

Sam

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <80r90hhh20lbcsuqtp3pddua75t8copeb0@4ax.com>, at 13:22:06 on
> Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:43:50 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:03:33 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> This is an odd thing. The X30 that I mentioned earlier is Stansted to
>>>> Southend. When you board at Stansted the (electronic) blind displays
>>>> Chelmsford. Upon reaching Chelmsford people stay on board, the blind
>>>> is changed to Southend, and off it goes.
>>>
>>> Coming back to trains, Fife Circle trains leaving Waverley are announced as
>>> being for (IIRC) Glenrothes with Thornton. Once they leave Haymarket they
>>> are announced as being for Edinburgh Waverley.
>>
>> Yes, they really don't want you to go the long way round. There's a
>> negative easement in place to penalise you if you do.
>
>> But it's no different from other false destinations mentioned here in
>> the past to avoud passengers getting a suboptimum trains.
>>
>> Leeds - York via Knaresborough (advertised to Poppleton)
>> York - Leeds (advertised to Burley Park)
>>
>> Formerly London - Oxford stoppers were advertised to Radley
>> Peterborough - Liverpool Street advertised to Shenfield
>>
>> And I've no doubt many more.
>
> The classic was always Kings Cross to Foxton, but that was to prevent
> people getting sub-optimally *timed* trains, not sub-optimally *routed*
> ones.

At one time the Great Northern electrics terminated at Foxton, and
passengers for Cambridge had to change to a DMU.

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Jeremy Double

On 11/02/2022 19:37, Jeremy Double wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <80r90hhh20lbcsuqtp3pddua75t8copeb0@4ax.com>, at 13:22:06 on
>> Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:43:50 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:03:33 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an odd thing. The X30 that I mentioned earlier is Stansted to
>>>>> Southend. When you board at Stansted the (electronic) blind displays
>>>>> Chelmsford. Upon reaching Chelmsford people stay on board, the blind
>>>>> is changed to Southend, and off it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Coming back to trains, Fife Circle trains leaving Waverley are announced as
>>>> being for (IIRC) Glenrothes with Thornton. Once they leave Haymarket they
>>>> are announced as being for Edinburgh Waverley.
>>>
>>> Yes, they really don't want you to go the long way round. There's a
>>> negative easement in place to penalise you if you do.
>>
>>> But it's no different from other false destinations mentioned here in
>>> the past to avoud passengers getting a suboptimum trains.
>>>
>>> Leeds - York via Knaresborough (advertised to Poppleton)
>>> York - Leeds (advertised to Burley Park)
>>>
>>> Formerly London - Oxford stoppers were advertised to Radley
>>> Peterborough - Liverpool Street advertised to Shenfield
>>>
>>> And I've no doubt many more.
>>
>> The classic was always Kings Cross to Foxton, but that was to prevent
>> people getting sub-optimally *timed* trains, not sub-optimally *routed*
>> ones.
>
> At one time the Great Northern electrics terminated at Foxton, and
> passengers for Cambridge had to change to a DMU.
>
I thought that was Royston?

Jeremy Double <jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <80r90hhh20lbcsuqtp3pddua75t8copeb0@4ax.com>, at 13:22:06 on
>> Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:43:50 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:03:33 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an odd thing. The X30 that I mentioned earlier is Stansted to
>>>>> Southend. When you board at Stansted the (electronic) blind displays
>>>>> Chelmsford. Upon reaching Chelmsford people stay on board, the blind
>>>>> is changed to Southend, and off it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Coming back to trains, Fife Circle trains leaving Waverley are announced as
>>>> being for (IIRC) Glenrothes with Thornton. Once they leave Haymarket they
>>>> are announced as being for Edinburgh Waverley.
>>>
>>> Yes, they really don't want you to go the long way round. There's a
>>> negative easement in place to penalise you if you do.
>>
>>> But it's no different from other false destinations mentioned here in
>>> the past to avoud passengers getting a suboptimum trains.
>>>
>>> Leeds - York via Knaresborough (advertised to Poppleton)
>>> York - Leeds (advertised to Burley Park)
>>>
>>> Formerly London - Oxford stoppers were advertised to Radley
>>> Peterborough - Liverpool Street advertised to Shenfield
>>>
>>> And I've no doubt many more.
>>
>> The classic was always Kings Cross to Foxton, but that was to prevent
>> people getting sub-optimally *timed* trains, not sub-optimally *routed*
>> ones.
>
> At one time the Great Northern electrics terminated at Foxton, and
> passengers for Cambridge had to change to a DMU.

I’ve just remembered it was Royston where passengers had to change from EMU
to DMU, Foxton was the intermediate station on the DMU route to Cambridge.

--
Jeremy Double

In message
<1346003285.666302247.228692.jmd.nospam-btinternet.com@news.individual.ne
t>, at 19:58:28 on Fri, 11 Feb 2022, Jeremy Double
<jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> remarked:
>Jeremy Double <jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <80r90hhh20lbcsuqtp3pddua75t8copeb0@4ax.com>, at 13:22:06 on
>>> Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:43:50 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:03:33 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an odd thing. The X30 that I mentioned earlier is Stansted to
>>>>>> Southend. When you board at Stansted the (electronic) blind displays
>>>>>> Chelmsford. Upon reaching Chelmsford people stay on board, the blind
>>>>>> is changed to Southend, and off it goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Coming back to trains, Fife Circle trains leaving Waverley are
>>>>>announced as
>>>>> being for (IIRC) Glenrothes with Thornton. Once they leave Haymarket they
>>>>> are announced as being for Edinburgh Waverley.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they really don't want you to go the long way round. There's a
>>>> negative easement in place to penalise you if you do.
>>>
>>>> But it's no different from other false destinations mentioned here in
>>>> the past to avoud passengers getting a suboptimum trains.
>>>>
>>>> Leeds - York via Knaresborough (advertised to Poppleton)
>>>> York - Leeds (advertised to Burley Park)
>>>>
>>>> Formerly London - Oxford stoppers were advertised to Radley
>>>> Peterborough - Liverpool Street advertised to Shenfield
>>>>
>>>> And I've no doubt many more.
>>>
>>> The classic was always Kings Cross to Foxton, but that was to prevent
>>> people getting sub-optimally *timed* trains, not sub-optimally *routed*
>>> ones.
>>
>> At one time the Great Northern electrics terminated at Foxton, and
>> passengers for Cambridge had to change to a DMU.
>
>I’ve just remembered it was Royston where passengers had to change from EMU
>to DMU, Foxton was the intermediate station on the DMU route to Cambridge.

When BR had regions, the one associated with the ECML ended a few
hundred yards north of Royston station, and east of there they
prioritised he route out of "their" Liverpool St rather than "someone
else's" Kings Cross. For a while that resulted in a hiatus of
non-electrification from Royston to Cambridge.

Foxton, in that context, was just one of the three necklace-village
stations on that route.
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Roland Perry