Note: Yet again I have been proved absolutely right .,.. RH

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
'You can't fully run away from where you come'
Jonathan Trott, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith and Michael Lumb on what it means to be a South African-born cricketer playing for England
DANIEL GALLAN | JULY 29, 2022
Something strange occurred during the first Test of England's tour of South Africa in 2009-10, but Jonathan Trott was the last to notice. It was only his second Test and England's new No. 3 was batting alongside Kevin Pietersen in his team's second dig. The pair had come together on the final day at Centurion with England struggling at 27 for 3, 336 runs in arrears. Standing at the non-striker's end, Trott's laser focus was suddenly broken by umpire Steve Davis."You know, I'm not sure if you're aware," Davis said out of the side of his mouth between deliveries, "but I'm the only Englishman on the field right now.""I thought, bloody hell, he's right!" says Trott, recalling the brief moment where his thoughts were yanked away from matters of swing and seam to questions around identity and patriotism. "He wasn't telling me anything I hadn't considered before, but it obviously wasn't something I was thinking about at the time. It's hard enough facing Morne Morkel when he's trying to knock your head off without other things to worry about. I suppose it was a little strange that no one born in England was actively involved in an England Test. I suppose that was a big deal for some people.."Davis, it should be noted, was born in London but is listed on ESPNcricinfo as Australian. Then again, Trott and Pietersen are considered English cricketers, two of the best this millennium, but both were born and raised in South Africa.In the past 56 years, starting in 1966 with Basil D'Oliveira, up to the start of South Africa's current tour of England, as many as 19 South African-born cricketers have donned the Three Lions, across a cumulative 1702 matches. Four of them were made captain. Three helped England secure their first ever ICC title when they lifted the 2010 T20 World Cup. One might be England's most naturally gifted player of all time.

Read more at
https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come

RH

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come

On 10/14/2022 12:56 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Note: Yet again I have been proved absolutely right .,.. RH
>
>
> https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> 'You can't fully run away from where you come'
> Jonathan Trott, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith and Michael Lumb on what it means to be a South African-born cricketer playing for England
> DANIEL GALLAN | JULY 29, 2022
> Something strange occurred during the first Test of England's tour of South Africa in 2009-10, but Jonathan Trott was the last to notice. It was only his second Test and England's new No. 3 was batting alongside Kevin Pietersen in his team's second dig. The pair had come together on the final day at Centurion with England struggling at 27 for 3, 336 runs in arrears. Standing at the non-striker's end, Trott's laser focus was suddenly broken by umpire Steve Davis."You know, I'm not sure if you're aware," Davis said out of the side of his mouth between deliveries, "but I'm the only Englishman on the field right now.""I thought, bloody hell, he's right!" says Trott, recalling the brief moment where his thoughts were yanked away from matters of swing and seam to questions around identity and patriotism. "He wasn't telling me anything I hadn't considered before, but it obviously wasn't something I was thinking about at the time. It's hard enough facing Morne Morkel when he's trying to knock your head off without other things to worry about. I suppose it was a little strange that no one born in England was actively involved in an England Test. I suppose that was a big deal for some people."Davis, it should be noted, was born in London but is listed on ESPNcricinfo as Australian. Then again, Trott and Pietersen are considered English cricketers, two of the best this millennium, but both were born and raised in South Africa.In the past 56 years, starting in 1966 with Basil D'Oliveira, up to the start of South Africa's current tour of England, as many as 19 South African-born cricketers have donned the Three Lions, across a cumulative 1702 matches. Four of them were made captain. Three helped England secure their first ever ICC title when they lifted the 2010 T20 World Cup. One might be England's most naturally gifted player of all time.
>
> Read more at
> https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
>
> RH
>
>
> https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come


If WHITE South Africans who played for England felt this way, one can
IMAGINE "HOW BAD" it is for POC representing England.

"We were never fully accepted," says Allan Lamb, the Cape Province
native who scored 8666 runs for England in 201 matches, captaining the
side in three Tests and four ODIs. "There was some bitterness towards me.
"The media was worse. They always saw me as South African. It was
always, 'The South African Allan Lamb' did this or that. Even when I did
well and scored runs, they were reluctant to portray me as English."

Trott remembers standing at first slip in an ODI at The Oval. He
doesn't remember who they were playing or the result of the match. What
he remembers is an unexpected show of vulnerability from his
wicketkeeper, Craig Kieswetter, who had left South Africa as an
18-year-old, having already played the 2006 Under-19 World Cup for his
native country.
"I know he struggled with it at times; his accent, where he was from,
those sorts of issues we all have to reckon with," Trott says. "And he
said that he wished he never spoke with a South African accent. That
things would be easier for him if he was seen as more English. It was
amazing to hear him open up like that in the middle of a game. We had
the conversation between balls and between overs. It was remarkable.
I was a little older than him and had been on the treadmill a little
longer than him and I just said, 'Mate, you can't be ashamed of where
you've come from but you can be proud of where you're going.

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:22:51 PM UTC+1, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> On 10/14/2022 12:56 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > Note: Yet again I have been proved absolutely right .,.. RH
> >
> >
> > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > 'You can't fully run away from where you come'
> > Jonathan Trott, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith and Michael Lumb on what it means to be a South African-born cricketer playing for England
> > DANIEL GALLAN | JULY 29, 2022
> > Something strange occurred during the first Test of England's tour of South Africa in 2009-10, but Jonathan Trott was the last to notice. It was only his second Test and England's new No. 3 was batting alongside Kevin Pietersen in his team's second dig. The pair had come together on the final day at Centurion with England struggling at 27 for 3, 336 runs in arrears. Standing at the non-striker's end, Trott's laser focus was suddenly broken by umpire Steve Davis."You know, I'm not sure if you're aware," Davis said out of the side of his mouth between deliveries, "but I'm the only Englishman on the field right now.""I thought, bloody hell, he's right!" says Trott, recalling the brief moment where his thoughts were yanked away from matters of swing and seam to questions around identity and patriotism. "He wasn't telling me anything I hadn't considered before, but it obviously wasn't something I was thinking about at the time. It's hard enough facing Morne Morkel when he's trying to knock your head off without other things to worry about. I suppose it was a little strange that no one born in England was actively involved in an England Test. I suppose that was a big deal for some people."Davis, it should be noted, was born in London but is listed on ESPNcricinfo as Australian. Then again, Trott and Pietersen are considered English cricketers, two of the best this millennium, but both were born and raised in South Africa.In the past 56 years, starting in 1966 with Basil D'Oliveira, up to the start of South Africa's current tour of England, as many as 19 South African-born cricketers have donned the Three Lions, across a cumulative 1702 matches. Four of them were made captain. Three helped England secure their first ever ICC title when they lifted the 2010 T20 World Cup. One might be England's most naturally gifted player of all time.
> >
> > Read more at
> > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> >
> > RH
> >
> >
> > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> If WHITE South Africans who played for England felt this way, one can
> IMAGINE "HOW BAD" it is for POC representing England.
>
>
> "We were never fully accepted," says Allan Lamb, the Cape Province
> native who scored 8666 runs for England in 201 matches, captaining the
> side in three Tests and four ODIs. "There was some bitterness towards me.
>
> "The media was worse. They always saw me as South African. It was
> always, 'The South African Allan Lamb' did this or that. Even when I did
> well and scored runs, they were reluctant to portray me as English."
>
>
> Trott remembers standing at first slip in an ODI at The Oval. He
> doesn't remember who they were playing or the result of the match. What
> he remembers is an unexpected show of vulnerability from his
> wicketkeeper, Craig Kieswetter, who had left South Africa as an
> 18-year-old, having already played the 2006 Under-19 World Cup for his
> native country.
>
> "I know he struggled with it at times; his accent, where he was from,
> those sorts of issues we all have to reckon with," Trott says. "And he
> said that he wished he never spoke with a South African accent. That
> things would be easier for him if he was seen as more English. It was
> amazing to hear him open up like that in the middle of a game. We had
> the conversation between balls and between overs. It was remarkable.
>
> I was a little older than him and had been on the treadmill a little
> longer than him and I just said, 'Mate, you can't be ashamed of where
> you've come from but you can be proud of where you're going.

This is a subject which goes beyond white South Africans (amusingly the current SA regime still has racial quotas for their sporting sides) because in the period 1985- 2005 a hoard of foreigners - white, black and Asian- were so routinely chosen by the English electors that it was a commonplace thing to see an England side with, say, 2 South Africans, A New Zealander, 3 backs/Asians and 5 Englishmen. The vast majority of the non-English bred and raised players turned out to be mediocrities, eg Mark Ramprakash (Test average 27) and Greame Hick (Test average 31) .

RH

On Saturday, 15 October 2022 at 15:29:19 UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:22:51 PM UTC+1, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> > On 10/14/2022 12:56 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > > Note: Yet again I have been proved absolutely right .,.. RH
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > > 'You can't fully run away from where you come'
> > > Jonathan Trott, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith and Michael Lumb on what it means to be a South African-born cricketer playing for England
> > > DANIEL GALLAN | JULY 29, 2022
> > > Something strange occurred during the first Test of England's tour of South Africa in 2009-10, but Jonathan Trott was the last to notice. It was only his second Test and England's new No. 3 was batting alongside Kevin Pietersen in his team's second dig. The pair had come together on the final day at Centurion with England struggling at 27 for 3, 336 runs in arrears. Standing at the non-striker's end, Trott's laser focus was suddenly broken by umpire Steve Davis."You know, I'm not sure if you're aware," Davis said out of the side of his mouth between deliveries, "but I'm the only Englishman on the field right now.""I thought, bloody hell, he's right!" says Trott, recalling the brief moment where his thoughts were yanked away from matters of swing and seam to questions around identity and patriotism. "He wasn't telling me anything I hadn't considered before, but it obviously wasn't something I was thinking about at the time. It's hard enough facing Morne Morkel when he's trying to knock your head off without other things to worry about. I suppose it was a little strange that no one born in England was actively involved in an England Test. I suppose that was a big deal for some people."Davis, it should be noted, was born in London but is listed on ESPNcricinfo as Australian. Then again, Trott and Pietersen are considered English cricketers, two of the best this millennium, but both were born and raised in South Africa.In the past 56 years, starting in 1966 with Basil D'Oliveira, up to the start of South Africa's current tour of England, as many as 19 South African-born cricketers have donned the Three Lions, across a cumulative 1702 matches. Four of them were made captain. Three helped England secure their first ever ICC title when they lifted the 2010 T20 World Cup. One might be England's most naturally gifted player of all time.
> > >
> > > Read more at
> > > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > >
> > > RH
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > If WHITE South Africans who played for England felt this way, one can
> > IMAGINE "HOW BAD" it is for POC representing England.
> >
> >
> > "We were never fully accepted," says Allan Lamb, the Cape Province
> > native who scored 8666 runs for England in 201 matches, captaining the
> > side in three Tests and four ODIs. "There was some bitterness towards me.
> >
> > "The media was worse. They always saw me as South African. It was
> > always, 'The South African Allan Lamb' did this or that. Even when I did
> > well and scored runs, they were reluctant to portray me as English."
> >
> >
> > Trott remembers standing at first slip in an ODI at The Oval. He
> > doesn't remember who they were playing or the result of the match. What
> > he remembers is an unexpected show of vulnerability from his
> > wicketkeeper, Craig Kieswetter, who had left South Africa as an
> > 18-year-old, having already played the 2006 Under-19 World Cup for his
> > native country.
> >
> > "I know he struggled with it at times; his accent, where he was from,
> > those sorts of issues we all have to reckon with," Trott says. "And he
> > said that he wished he never spoke with a South African accent. That
> > things would be easier for him if he was seen as more English. It was
> > amazing to hear him open up like that in the middle of a game. We had
> > the conversation between balls and between overs. It was remarkable.
> >
> > I was a little older than him and had been on the treadmill a little
> > longer than him and I just said, 'Mate, you can't be ashamed of where
> > you've come from but you can be proud of where you're going.
> This is a subject which goes beyond white South Africans (amusingly the current SA regime still has racial quotas for their sporting sides) because in the period 1985- 2005 a hoard of foreigners - white, black and Asian- were so routinely chosen by the English electors that it was a commonplace thing to see an England side with, say, 2 South Africans, A New Zealander, 3 backs/Asians and 5 Englishmen. The vast majority of the non-English bred and raised players turned out to be mediocrities, eg Mark Ramprakash (Test average 27) and Greame Hick (Test average 31) .
>
> RH

Can you give an example of how many times an England team with 2 South Africans, A New Zealander, 3 backs/Asians and 5 Englishmen occurred?

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:05:35 PM UTC+1, Najeeb ybo wrote:
> On Saturday, 15 October 2022 at 15:29:19 UTC+1, anywh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:22:51 PM UTC+1, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> > > On 10/14/2022 12:56 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > > > Note: Yet again I have been proved absolutely right .,.. RH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > > > 'You can't fully run away from where you come'
> > > > Jonathan Trott, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith and Michael Lumb on what it means to be a South African-born cricketer playing for England
> > > > DANIEL GALLAN | JULY 29, 2022
> > > > Something strange occurred during the first Test of England's tour of South Africa in 2009-10, but Jonathan Trott was the last to notice. It was only his second Test and England's new No. 3 was batting alongside Kevin Pietersen in his team's second dig. The pair had come together on the final day at Centurion with England struggling at 27 for 3, 336 runs in arrears.. Standing at the non-striker's end, Trott's laser focus was suddenly broken by umpire Steve Davis."You know, I'm not sure if you're aware," Davis said out of the side of his mouth between deliveries, "but I'm the only Englishman on the field right now.""I thought, bloody hell, he's right!" says Trott, recalling the brief moment where his thoughts were yanked away from matters of swing and seam to questions around identity and patriotism. "He wasn't telling me anything I hadn't considered before, but it obviously wasn't something I was thinking about at the time. It's hard enough facing Morne Morkel when he's trying to knock your head off without other things to worry about. I suppose it was a little strange that no one born in England was actively involved in an England Test. I suppose that was a big deal for some people."Davis, it should be noted, was born in London but is listed on ESPNcricinfo as Australian. Then again, Trott and Pietersen are considered English cricketers, two of the best this millennium, but both were born and raised in South Africa.In the past 56 years, starting in 1966 with Basil D'Oliveira, up to the start of South Africa's current tour of England, as many as 19 South African-born cricketers have donned the Three Lions, across a cumulative 1702 matches. Four of them were made captain. Three helped England secure their first ever ICC title when they lifted the 2010 T20 World Cup. One might be England's most naturally gifted player of all time.
> > > >
> > > > Read more at
> > > > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > > >
> > > > RH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
> > > If WHITE South Africans who played for England felt this way, one can
> > > IMAGINE "HOW BAD" it is for POC representing England.
> > >
> > >
> > > "We were never fully accepted," says Allan Lamb, the Cape Province
> > > native who scored 8666 runs for England in 201 matches, captaining the
> > > side in three Tests and four ODIs. "There was some bitterness towards me.
> > >
> > > "The media was worse. They always saw me as South African. It was
> > > always, 'The South African Allan Lamb' did this or that. Even when I did
> > > well and scored runs, they were reluctant to portray me as English."
> > >
> > >
> > > Trott remembers standing at first slip in an ODI at The Oval. He
> > > doesn't remember who they were playing or the result of the match. What
> > > he remembers is an unexpected show of vulnerability from his
> > > wicketkeeper, Craig Kieswetter, who had left South Africa as an
> > > 18-year-old, having already played the 2006 Under-19 World Cup for his
> > > native country.
> > >
> > > "I know he struggled with it at times; his accent, where he was from,
> > > those sorts of issues we all have to reckon with," Trott says. "And he
> > > said that he wished he never spoke with a South African accent. That
> > > things would be easier for him if he was seen as more English. It was
> > > amazing to hear him open up like that in the middle of a game. We had
> > > the conversation between balls and between overs. It was remarkable.
> > >
> > > I was a little older than him and had been on the treadmill a little
> > > longer than him and I just said, 'Mate, you can't be ashamed of where
> > > you've come from but you can be proud of where you're going.
> > This is a subject which goes beyond white South Africans (amusingly the current SA regime still has racial quotas for their sporting sides) because in the period 1985- 2005 a hoard of foreigners - white, black and Asian- were so routinely chosen by the English electors that it was a commonplace thing to see an England side with, say, 2 South Africans, A New Zealander, 3 backs/Asians and 5 Englishmen. The vast majority of the non-English bred and raised players turned out to be mediocrities, eg Mark Ramprakash (Test average 27) and Greame Hick (Test average 31) .
> >
> > RH
> Can you give an example of how many times an England team with 2 South Africans, A New Zealander, 3 backs/Asians and 5 Englishmen occurred?

My eyesight is not up to trawling through many scorecards . but the frequency of for proportion of the Eng;and team was for example these players who regularly appeared in the 1980s and 1990s give an idea of how often a large proportion of the England sides was taken by these (and other) foreigners : : Devon Malcolm, Defreitus, Chris Lewis, Dean Headley, Gladstone Small, Ramprakash, Robin Smith, Allan Lamb, Hick, Nasser Hussain Andy Caddick

RH

On 10/15/2022 7:29 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:22:51 PM UTC+1, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> On 10/14/2022 12:56 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>> Note: Yet again I have been proved absolutely right .,.. RH
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
>>> 'You can't fully run away from where you come'
>>> Jonathan Trott, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith and Michael Lumb on what it means to be a South African-born cricketer playing for England
>>> DANIEL GALLAN | JULY 29, 2022
>>> Something strange occurred during the first Test of England's tour of South Africa in 2009-10, but Jonathan Trott was the last to notice. It was only his second Test and England's new No. 3 was batting alongside Kevin Pietersen in his team's second dig. The pair had come together on the final day at Centurion with England struggling at 27 for 3, 336 runs in arrears. Standing at the non-striker's end, Trott's laser focus was suddenly broken by umpire Steve Davis."You know, I'm not sure if you're aware," Davis said out of the side of his mouth between deliveries, "but I'm the only Englishman on the field right now.""I thought, bloody hell, he's right!" says Trott, recalling the brief moment where his thoughts were yanked away from matters of swing and seam to questions around identity and patriotism. "He wasn't telling me anything I hadn't considered before, but it obviously wasn't something I was thinking about at the time. It's hard enough facing Morne Morkel when he's trying to knock your head off without other things to worry about. I suppose it was a little strange that no one born in England was actively involved in an England Test. I suppose that was a big deal for some people."Davis, it should be noted, was born in London but is listed on ESPNcricinfo as Australian. Then again, Trott and Pietersen are considered English cricketers, two of the best this millennium, but both were born and raised in South Africa.In the past 56 years, starting in 1966 with Basil D'Oliveira, up to the start of South Africa's current tour of England, as many as 19 South African-born cricketers have donned the Three Lions, across a cumulative 1702 matches. Four of them were made captain. Three helped England secure their first ever ICC title when they lifted the 2010 T20 World Cup. One might be England's most naturally gifted player of all time.
>>>
>>> Read more at
>>> https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
>>>
>>> RH
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1326249/you-cant-fully-run-away-from-where-you-come
>> If WHITE South Africans who played for England felt this way, one can
>> IMAGINE "HOW BAD" it is for POC representing England.
>>
>>
>> "We were never fully accepted," says Allan Lamb, the Cape Province
>> native who scored 8666 runs for England in 201 matches, captaining the
>> side in three Tests and four ODIs. "There was some bitterness towards me.
>>
>> "The media was worse. They always saw me as South African. It was
>> always, 'The South African Allan Lamb' did this or that. Even when I did
>> well and scored runs, they were reluctant to portray me as English."
>>
>>
>> Trott remembers standing at first slip in an ODI at The Oval. He
>> doesn't remember who they were playing or the result of the match. What
>> he remembers is an unexpected show of vulnerability from his
>> wicketkeeper, Craig Kieswetter, who had left South Africa as an
>> 18-year-old, having already played the 2006 Under-19 World Cup for his
>> native country.
>>
>> "I know he struggled with it at times; his accent, where he was from,
>> those sorts of issues we all have to reckon with," Trott says. "And he
>> said that he wished he never spoke with a South African accent. That
>> things would be easier for him if he was seen as more English. It was
>> amazing to hear him open up like that in the middle of a game. We had
>> the conversation between balls and between overs. It was remarkable.
>>
>> I was a little older than him and had been on the treadmill a little
>> longer than him and I just said, 'Mate, you can't be ashamed of where
>> you've come from but you can be proud of where you're going.
>
> This is a subject which goes beyond white South Africans (amusingly the current SA regime still has racial quotas for their sporting sides) because in the period 1985- 2005 a hoard of foreigners - white, black and Asian- were so routinely chosen by the English electors that it was a commonplace thing to see an England side with, say, 2 South Africans, A New Zealander, 3 backs/Asians and 5 Englishmen. The vast majority of the non-English bred and raised players turned out to be mediocrities, eg Mark Ramprakash (Test average 27) and Greame Hick (Test average 31) .
>
> RH
>
>


You are a pure evil racistfuck.
And how many native born white England players turned out to be
MEDIOCRITIES?
List them.

Kevin Pietersen, Allan Lamb, Trott, Alex Strauss, Tony Greig, Robin
Smith, Matthew Prior, Nasser Hussain performed excellently for England.
The POINT is England made them feel like "outsiders" EVEN after playing
for England for a long time and performing well.