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The number of drivers on the world’s roads continues to rise almost everywhere.The distance driven by American motorists hit a new peak last year, according to data from the Federal Highway Administration.K.For the latest breaking news and stories from across the globe from the Daily Star, sign up for our newsletter by clicking here.But there are hints that this is changing.People like Ms Crandall show why.Getting a driving licence was once a nearly universal rite of passage into adulthood.“As such, the decision is that the image does not comply with the record guidelines and we, therefore, have no choice but to reject the claim.The poll also found that the majority of those who expressed a view had safety concerns around the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill, which was passed by MSPs in December and blocked by the UK Government.

Now it is something that a growing minority of young people either ignore or actively oppose, into their 20s and beyond.That, in turn, is starting to create more support for a anti-car policies being passed in cities around the world.From New York to Norway, a growing number of cities and local politicians are passing anti-car laws, ripping out parking spaces, blocking off roads and changing planning rules to favour pedestrians over drivers.“And then I gave them a big cartoon weiner.Anne Hidalgo, the socialist mayor of Paris, boasts of “reconquering” her city for its residents.Campaigners detect a sea change.Transgender prisoner Bryson, who was convicted last month of raping two women while still a man known as Adam Graham, was initially housed in an all-female prison before being moved to the male estate.

Even a few years ago “there was a sense that we were the weirdos,” says Doug Gordon, a founder of “The War on Cars”, a podcast based in New York.Now, he says, “more and more elected officials are adopting positions that were [until recently] on the fringe.” After a century in which the car remade the rich world, making possible everything from suburbs and supermarkets to drive-through restaurants and rush-hour traffic jams, the momentum may be beginning to swing the other way.Start with the demography, and in the country most shaped by the car.The average American driver goes much farther every year than most of his or her rich-world contemporaries: around 14,300 miles (23,000km) in 2022, which is about twice as far as the typical Frenchman.” Share.

Nearly a century of road-building has resulted in sprawling cities, in which it is hard to get around in any other way.The city of Jacksonville, Florida, for instance, spreads across 875 square miles.With around 1m residents, that makes it only about twice as densely populated as the whole of England, only around 8% of which is classified as “urban”.In the suburbs I learned to drive The Supreme Court said in 1977 that having a car was a “virtual necessity” for anyone living in America.By 1997, 43% of the country’s 16-year-olds had driving licences.

But in 2020, the most recent year for which figures are available, the number had fallen to just 25%.Nor is it just teenagers.One in five Americans aged between 20 and 24 does not have a licence, up from just one in 12 in 1983.The proportion of people with licences has fallen for every age group under 40, and on the latest data, is still falling.And even those who do have them are driving less.

Between 1990 and 2017 the distance driven by teenage drivers in America declined by 35%, and those aged 20-34 by 18%.It is entirely older drivers who account for still increasing traffic, as baby-boomers who grew up with cars do not give them up in retirement.A similar trend is well-established in Europe.In Britain the proportion of teenagers able to drive has almost halved, from 41% to 21%, in the past 20 years.Across the countries of the European Union there are more cars than ever.

Yet even before the covid-19 lockdowns emptied the roads, the average distance travelled by each one had fallen by more than a tenth since the turn of the millennium.(The exceptions were relatively new member states such as Poland.) Even in Germany, where the internal-combustion engine is an economic totem, drivers are pushing the brakes.The trend is especially strong in big cities.One study of five European capitals—Berlin, Copenhagen, London, Paris and Vienna—found the number of driving trips made by working people was down substantially since a peak in the 1990s.

In Paris the number of trips made per resident has fallen below the levels of the 1970s.No one is entirely sure why young adults are proving resistant to the charms of owning a set of wheels.The growth of the internet is one obvious possibility—the more you can shop online, or stream films at home, the less need there is to drive into town.One British report, led by Dr Kiron Chatterjee at the University of the West of England, and published in 2018, fingered a rise in insecure or poorly paid jobs, a decline in home ownership, and a tendency to spend longer in education.The rise of taxi apps such as Uber and Lyft has almost certainly contributed as well, as have higher insurance premiums for young drivers.

Driving generally is more expensive.In America the average cost of owning a vehicle and driving 15,000 miles in it rose by 11% in 2022, to nearly $11,000.Other reasons seem more cultural.One big motivator, at least for the most committed, is worries about climate change.Donald Shoup, a professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has campaigned against the excessive provision of free parking in America, says he is surprised by how climate change has spurred many young activists to start campaigning against development focused on cars (he had thought that local air pollution, or the cost, would have made the case instead).

The falling popularity of cars among the under-40s chimes with the mood among city planners and urbanists, who have been arguing against cars for over two decades.Sometimes they have managed to get big, bold policies passed, such as the introduction of congestion-charging zones in the middle of London, Milan and Stockholm, under which drivers must pay a fee to enter.All three schemes have managed to cut traffic substantially and consistently.(A much-delayed and bitterly contested congestion-pricing scheme in New York could start later this year.) So move your feet from hot pavement But in most cases, the squeeze on motorists has been slower and more gradual.

In Britain many local councils have begun to introduce “low-traffic neighbourhoods”, blocking off streets to discourage passing drivers from taking shortcuts between main roads.In 2020 Oslo, the Norwegian capital, finished removing almost all on-street parking spaces from its city centre.Paris’s drastic drop in traffic volume has been partly forced by policies brought in by Ms Hidalgo, who has removed parking, narrowed streets and turned a motorway that used to run along one bank of the Seine into a park.In 2021 she announced plans to redevelop the Champs-Élysées to reduce the space given over to cars by half, in favour of making room for pedestrians and urban greenery.In America, New York has banned cars from Central Park, and experimented with banning them from some streets in Manhattan too.

In the past few years dozens of American cities, including Minneapolis in 2018 and Boston in 2021, have removed rules that compel property developers to provide a certain amount of free parking around their buildings.California has removed such rules across the whole state, at least for buildings that are relatively close to public transport.In the past, such changes have often been imposed from above.Increasingly they are finding favour with at least some voters.“Chicago for 80 years has been: cars first, everyone else dead last,” says Daniel La Spata, an “alderman” (or city council member) in the north-west of the city.

Now, he says, cycling activists are playing a big role in the city’s local elections.In Oxford, in England, residents in favour of one traffic-reduction scheme manned barricades to stop irate drivers pushing the barriers aside.Ms Hidalgo won a second term as mayor in 2020 on a platform that included plans to turn Paris into a “15-minute city”, a fashionable idea in which each arrondissement would have its own shops, sports facilities, schools and the like within a short walk or bike ride.As the example in Oxford shows, not everyone is keen.In Hackney, in north London, the council had to install special vandalism-proof screens on the cameras that spot motorists who break the rules.

One local councillor received death threats.Chats on Nextdoor, a neighbourhood-focused social-media app, are full of angry disputes and diatribes about the measures.In Oslo the plan to remove parking spots was denounced by one politician as a “Berlin Wall against motorists”, and a local trade group said it would lead to a “dead town”.(So far, it has not.) Political opposition could put the brakes on the growth of anti-car policies.

In New York it is suburban politicians, whose constituents are more dependent on cars, who have resisted the new congestion charge.In Berlin the centre-right Christian Democrats have campaigned in local elections on a platform of protecting the freedom to drive.Another worry is that as city centres freed from cars become more attractive, they also become more expensive—pushing some, especially families, out to suburbs where they need cars after all.In America housing in the most walkable neighbourhoods now costs 34% more than it does in sprawling places, according to one study.New technology might change things too.

Electric cars may blunt climate-change concerns.They are cheaper to run than fossil-fuelled vehicles, which could encourage more driving.But in the parts of Europe where anti-car policies have been in place for the longest, they appear to have worked like a ratchet.Giulio Mattioli, a transport professor at Dortmund University, notes that almost nowhere in the world that has removed a big road, or pedestrianised a shopping street, has decided to reverse course.“Once people see [the benefits], they generally don’t want to go back.


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What a dreadfully-written concatenation of unsupported assertions.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> The number of drivers on the world’s roads continues to rise almost
> everywhere.The distance driven by American motorists hit a new peak last
> year, according to data from the Federal Highway Administration.K.For the
> latest breaking news and stories from across the globe from the Daily
> Star, sign up for our newsletter by clicking here.But there are hints
> that this is changing.People like Ms Crandall show why.Getting a driving
> licence was once a nearly universal rite of passage into adulthood.“As
> such, the decision is that the image does not comply with the record
> guidelines and we, therefore, have no choice but to reject the claim.The
> poll also found that the majority of those who expressed a view had
> safety concerns around the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill,
> which was passed by MSPs in December and blocked by the UK Government.
>
> Now it is something that a growing minority of young people either ignore
> or actively oppose, into their 20s and beyond.That, in turn, is starting
> to create more support for a anti-car policies being passed in cities
> around the world.From New York to Norway, a growing number of cities and
> local politicians are passing anti-car laws, ripping out parking spaces,
> blocking off roads and changing planning rules to favour pedestrians over
> drivers.“And then I gave them a big cartoon weiner.Anne Hidalgo, the
> socialist mayor of Paris, boasts of “reconquering” her city for its
> residents.Campaigners detect a sea change.Transgender prisoner Bryson,
> who was convicted last month of raping two women while still a man known
> as Adam Graham, was initially housed in an all-female prison before being
> moved to the male estate.
>
> Even a few years ago “there was a sense that we were the weirdos,” says
> Doug Gordon, a founder of “The War on Cars”, a podcast based in New
> York.Now, he says, “more and more elected officials are adopting
> positions that were [until recently] on the fringe.” After a century in
> which the car remade the rich world, making possible everything from
> suburbs and supermarkets to drive-through restaurants and rush-hour
> traffic jams, the momentum may be beginning to swing the other way.Start
> with the demography, and in the country most shaped by the car.The
> average American driver goes much farther every year than most of his or
> her rich-world contemporaries: around 14,300 miles (23,000km) in 2022,
> which is about twice as far as the typical Frenchman.” Share.
>
> Nearly a century of road-building has resulted in sprawling cities, in
> which it is hard to get around in any other way.The city of Jacksonville,
> Florida, for instance, spreads across 875 square miles.With around 1m
> residents, that makes it only about twice as densely populated as the
> whole of England, only around 8% of which is classified as “urban”.In the
> suburbs I learned to drive The Supreme Court said in 1977 that having a
> car was a “virtual necessity” for anyone living in America.By 1997, 43%
> of the country’s 16-year-olds had driving licences.
>
> But in 2020, the most recent year for which figures are available, the
> number had fallen to just 25%.Nor is it just teenagers.One in five
> Americans aged between 20 and 24 does not have a licence, up from just
> one in 12 in 1983.The proportion of people with licences has fallen for
> every age group under 40, and on the latest data, is still falling.And
> even those who do have them are driving less.
>
> Between 1990 and 2017 the distance driven by teenage drivers in America
> declined by 35%, and those aged 20-34 by 18%.It is entirely older drivers
> who account for still increasing traffic, as baby-boomers who grew up
> with cars do not give them up in retirement.A similar trend is
> well-established in Europe.In Britain the proportion of teenagers able to
> drive has almost halved, from 41% to 21%, in the past 20 years.Across the
> countries of the European Union there are more cars than ever.
>
> Yet even before the covid-19 lockdowns emptied the roads, the average
> distance travelled by each one had fallen by more than a tenth since the
> turn of the millennium.(The exceptions were relatively new member states
> such as Poland.) Even in Germany, where the internal-combustion engine is
> an economic totem, drivers are pushing the brakes.The trend is especially
> strong in big cities.One study of five European capitals—Berlin,
> Copenhagen, London, Paris and Vienna—found the number of driving trips
> made by working people was down substantially since a peak in the 1990s.
>
> In Paris the number of trips made per resident has fallen below the
> levels of the 1970s.No one is entirely sure why young adults are proving
> resistant to the charms of owning a set of wheels.The growth of the
> internet is one obvious possibility—the more you can shop online, or
> stream films at home, the less need there is to drive into town.One
> British report, led by Dr Kiron Chatterjee at the University of the West
> of England, and published in 2018, fingered a rise in insecure or poorly
> paid jobs, a decline in home ownership, and a tendency to spend longer in
> education.The rise of taxi apps such as Uber and Lyft has almost
> certainly contributed as well, as have higher insurance premiums for young drivers.
>
> Driving generally is more expensive.In America the average cost of owning
> a vehicle and driving 15,000 miles in it rose by 11% in 2022, to nearly
> $11,000.Other reasons seem more cultural.One big motivator, at least for
> the most committed, is worries about climate change.Donald Shoup, a
> professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has
> campaigned against the excessive provision of free parking in America,
> says he is surprised by how climate change has spurred many young
> activists to start campaigning against development focused on cars (he
> had thought that local air pollution, or the cost, would have made the case instead).
>
> The falling popularity of cars among the under-40s chimes with the mood
> among city planners and urbanists, who have been arguing against cars for
> over two decades.Sometimes they have managed to get big, bold policies
> passed, such as the introduction of congestion-charging zones in the
> middle of London, Milan and Stockholm, under which drivers must pay a fee
> to enter.All three schemes have managed to cut traffic substantially and
> consistently.(A much-delayed and bitterly contested congestion-pricing
> scheme in New York could start later this year.) So move your feet from
> hot pavement But in most cases, the squeeze on motorists has been slower and more gradual.
>
> In Britain many local councils have begun to introduce “low-traffic
> neighbourhoods”, blocking off streets to discourage passing drivers from
> taking shortcuts between main roads.In 2020 Oslo, the Norwegian capital,
> finished removing almost all on-street parking spaces from its city
> centre.Paris’s drastic drop in traffic volume has been partly forced by
> policies brought in by Ms Hidalgo, who has removed parking, narrowed
> streets and turned a motorway that used to run along one bank of the
> Seine into a park.In 2021 she announced plans to redevelop the
> Champs-Élysées to reduce the space given over to cars by half, in favour
> of making room for pedestrians and urban greenery.In America, New York
> has banned cars from Central Park, and experimented with banning them
> from some streets in Manhattan too.
>
> In the past few years dozens of American cities, including Minneapolis in
> 2018 and Boston in 2021, have removed rules that compel property
> developers to provide a certain amount of free parking around their
> buildings.California has removed such rules across the whole state, at
> least for buildings that are relatively close to public transport.In the
> past, such changes have often been imposed from above.Increasingly they
> are finding favour with at least some voters.“Chicago for 80 years has
> been: cars first, everyone else dead last,” says Daniel La Spata, an
> “alderman” (or city council member) in the north-west of the city.
>
> Now, he says, cycling activists are playing a big role in the city’s
> local elections.In Oxford, in England, residents in favour of one
> traffic-reduction scheme manned barricades to stop irate drivers pushing
> the barriers aside.Ms Hidalgo won a second term as mayor in 2020 on a
> platform that included plans to turn Paris into a “15-minute city”, a
> fashionable idea in which each arrondissement would have its own shops,
> sports facilities, schools and the like within a short walk or bike
> ride.As the example in Oxford shows, not everyone is keen.In Hackney, in
> north London, the council had to install special vandalism-proof screens
> on the cameras that spot motorists who break the rules.
>
> One local councillor received death threats.Chats on Nextdoor, a
> neighbourhood-focused social-media app, are full of angry disputes and
> diatribes about the measures.In Oslo the plan to remove parking spots was
> denounced by one politician as a “Berlin Wall against motorists”, and a
> local trade group said it would lead to a “dead town”.(So far, it has
> not.) Political opposition could put the brakes on the growth of anti-car policies.
>
> In New York it is suburban politicians, whose constituents are more
> dependent on cars, who have resisted the new congestion charge.In Berlin
> the centre-right Christian Democrats have campaigned in local elections
> on a platform of protecting the freedom to drive.Another worry is that as
> city centres freed from cars become more attractive, they also become more
> expensive—pushing some, especially families, out to suburbs where they
> need cars after all.In America housing in the most walkable
> neighbourhoods now costs 34% more than it does in sprawling places,
> according to one study.New technology might change things too.
>
> Electric cars may blunt climate-change concerns.They are cheaper to run
> than fossil-fuelled vehicles, which could encourage more driving.But in
> the parts of Europe where anti-car policies have been in place for the
> longest, they appear to have worked like a ratchet.Giulio Mattioli, a
> transport professor at Dortmund University, notes that almost nowhere in
> the world that has removed a big road, or pedestrianised a shopping
> street, has decided to reverse course.“Once people see [the benefits],
> they generally don’t want to go back.
>
> ” Several studies, including Dr Chatterjee’s, have concluded that driving
> habits that are formed in youth seem to persist, with those who begin to
> drive later continuing to drive less, even into their 40s.If that pattern
> holds, the 21st century might just see the car’s high-water mark.■.
>


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In the UK, after sky high rent, food and galloping inflation, is there any wonder why the young are rejecting car ownership?
PRIORITIES COME FIRST, BY DEFINITION.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> In the UK, after sky high rent, food and galloping inflation, is there
> any wonder why the young are rejecting car ownership?

> PRIORITIES COME FIRST, BY DEFINITION.

The simple tend to see things in a simplistic way.

‘EU good…..Brexit bad’ being a good example.

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:58 UTC

On 18/02/2023 01:37 pm, Spike wrote:
>
> What a dreadfully-written concatenation of unsupported assertions.

+1.

I assumed that it had appeared in road.cc.

HRH Prince Del Boy Mason LJ probably wants people to think *he* wrote
it, complete with the odd four-syllable word.

Mind you, perhaps he did have a hand in it: the typing is appalling,
with the person responsible seeming havimg no sense of the function of a
character space immediately after a full-stop.

> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The number of drivers on the world’s roads continues to rise almost
>> everywhere.The distance driven by American motorists hit a new peak last
>> year, according to data from the Federal Highway Administration.K.For the
>> latest breaking news and stories from across the globe from the Daily
>> Star, sign up for our newsletter by clicking here.But there are hints
>> that this is changing.People like Ms Crandall show why.Getting a driving
>> licence was once a nearly universal rite of passage into adulthood.“As
>> such, the decision is that the image does not comply with the record
>> guidelines and we, therefore, have no choice but to reject the claim.The
>> poll also found that the majority of those who expressed a view had
>> safety concerns around the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill,
>> which was passed by MSPs in December and blocked by the UK Government.
>>
>> Now it is something that a growing minority of young people either ignore
>> or actively oppose, into their 20s and beyond.That, in turn, is starting
>> to create more support for a anti-car policies being passed in cities
>> around the world.From New York to Norway, a growing number of cities and
>> local politicians are passing anti-car laws, ripping out parking spaces,
>> blocking off roads and changing planning rules to favour pedestrians over
>> drivers.“And then I gave them a big cartoon weiner.Anne Hidalgo, the
>> socialist mayor of Paris, boasts of “reconquering” her city for its
>> residents.Campaigners detect a sea change.Transgender prisoner Bryson,
>> who was convicted last month of raping two women while still a man known
>> as Adam Graham, was initially housed in an all-female prison before being
>> moved to the male estate.
>>
>> Even a few years ago “there was a sense that we were the weirdos,” says
>> Doug Gordon, a founder of “The War on Cars”, a podcast based in New
>> York.Now, he says, “more and more elected officials are adopting
>> positions that were [until recently] on the fringe.” After a century in
>> which the car remade the rich world, making possible everything from
>> suburbs and supermarkets to drive-through restaurants and rush-hour
>> traffic jams, the momentum may be beginning to swing the other way.Start
>> with the demography, and in the country most shaped by the car.The
>> average American driver goes much farther every year than most of his or
>> her rich-world contemporaries: around 14,300 miles (23,000km) in 2022,
>> which is about twice as far as the typical Frenchman.” Share.
>>
>> Nearly a century of road-building has resulted in sprawling cities, in
>> which it is hard to get around in any other way.The city of Jacksonville,
>> Florida, for instance, spreads across 875 square miles.With around 1m
>> residents, that makes it only about twice as densely populated as the
>> whole of England, only around 8% of which is classified as “urban”.In the
>> suburbs I learned to drive The Supreme Court said in 1977 that having a
>> car was a “virtual necessity” for anyone living in America.By 1997, 43%
>> of the country’s 16-year-olds had driving licences.
>>
>> But in 2020, the most recent year for which figures are available, the
>> number had fallen to just 25%.Nor is it just teenagers.One in five
>> Americans aged between 20 and 24 does not have a licence, up from just
>> one in 12 in 1983.The proportion of people with licences has fallen for
>> every age group under 40, and on the latest data, is still falling.And
>> even those who do have them are driving less.
>>
>> Between 1990 and 2017 the distance driven by teenage drivers in America
>> declined by 35%, and those aged 20-34 by 18%.It is entirely older drivers
>> who account for still increasing traffic, as baby-boomers who grew up
>> with cars do not give them up in retirement.A similar trend is
>> well-established in Europe.In Britain the proportion of teenagers able to
>> drive has almost halved, from 41% to 21%, in the past 20 years.Across the
>> countries of the European Union there are more cars than ever.
>>
>> Yet even before the covid-19 lockdowns emptied the roads, the average
>> distance travelled by each one had fallen by more than a tenth since the
>> turn of the millennium.(The exceptions were relatively new member states
>> such as Poland.) Even in Germany, where the internal-combustion engine is
>> an economic totem, drivers are pushing the brakes.The trend is especially
>> strong in big cities.One study of five European capitals—Berlin,
>> Copenhagen, London, Paris and Vienna—found the number of driving trips
>> made by working people was down substantially since a peak in the 1990s.
>>
>> In Paris the number of trips made per resident has fallen below the
>> levels of the 1970s.No one is entirely sure why young adults are proving
>> resistant to the charms of owning a set of wheels.The growth of the
>> internet is one obvious possibility—the more you can shop online, or
>> stream films at home, the less need there is to drive into town.One
>> British report, led by Dr Kiron Chatterjee at the University of the West
>> of England, and published in 2018, fingered a rise in insecure or poorly
>> paid jobs, a decline in home ownership, and a tendency to spend longer in
>> education.The rise of taxi apps such as Uber and Lyft has almost
>> certainly contributed as well, as have higher insurance premiums for young drivers.
>>
>> Driving generally is more expensive.In America the average cost of owning
>> a vehicle and driving 15,000 miles in it rose by 11% in 2022, to nearly
>> $11,000.Other reasons seem more cultural.One big motivator, at least for
>> the most committed, is worries about climate change.Donald Shoup, a
>> professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has
>> campaigned against the excessive provision of free parking in America,
>> says he is surprised by how climate change has spurred many young
>> activists to start campaigning against development focused on cars (he
>> had thought that local air pollution, or the cost, would have made the case instead).
>>
>> The falling popularity of cars among the under-40s chimes with the mood
>> among city planners and urbanists, who have been arguing against cars for
>> over two decades.Sometimes they have managed to get big, bold policies
>> passed, such as the introduction of congestion-charging zones in the
>> middle of London, Milan and Stockholm, under which drivers must pay a fee
>> to enter.All three schemes have managed to cut traffic substantially and
>> consistently.(A much-delayed and bitterly contested congestion-pricing
>> scheme in New York could start later this year.) So move your feet from
>> hot pavement But in most cases, the squeeze on motorists has been slower and more gradual.
>>
>> In Britain many local councils have begun to introduce “low-traffic
>> neighbourhoods”, blocking off streets to discourage passing drivers from
>> taking shortcuts between main roads.In 2020 Oslo, the Norwegian capital,
>> finished removing almost all on-street parking spaces from its city
>> centre.Paris’s drastic drop in traffic volume has been partly forced by
>> policies brought in by Ms Hidalgo, who has removed parking, narrowed
>> streets and turned a motorway that used to run along one bank of the
>> Seine into a park.In 2021 she announced plans to redevelop the
>> Champs-Élysées to reduce the space given over to cars by half, in favour
>> of making room for pedestrians and urban greenery.In America, New York
>> has banned cars from Central Park, and experimented with banning them
>> from some streets in Manhattan too.
>>
>> In the past few years dozens of American cities, including Minneapolis in
>> 2018 and Boston in 2021, have removed rules that compel property
>> developers to provide a certain amount of free parking around their
>> buildings.California has removed such rules across the whole state, at
>> least for buildings that are relatively close to public transport.In the
>> past, such changes have often been imposed from above.Increasingly they
>> are finding favour with at least some voters.“Chicago for 80 years has
>> been: cars first, everyone else dead last,” says Daniel La Spata, an
>> “alderman” (or city council member) in the north-west of the city.
>>
>> Now, he says, cycling activists are playing a big role in the city’s
>> local elections.In Oxford, in England, residents in favour of one
>> traffic-reduction scheme manned barricades to stop irate drivers pushing
>> the barriers aside.Ms Hidalgo won a second term as mayor in 2020 on a
>> platform that included plans to turn Paris into a “15-minute city”, a
>> fashionable idea in which each arrondissement would have its own shops,
>> sports facilities, schools and the like within a short walk or bike
>> ride.As the example in Oxford shows, not everyone is keen.In Hackney, in
>> north London, the council had to install special vandalism-proof screens
>> on the cameras that spot motorists who break the rules.
>>
>> One local councillor received death threats.Chats on Nextdoor, a
>> neighbourhood-focused social-media app, are full of angry disputes and
>> diatribes about the measures.In Oslo the plan to remove parking spots was
>> denounced by one politician as a “Berlin Wall against motorists”, and a
>> local trade group said it would lead to a “dead town”.(So far, it has
>> not.) Political opposition could put the brakes on the growth of anti-car policies.
>>
>> In New York it is suburban politicians, whose constituents are more
>> dependent on cars, who have resisted the new congestion charge.In Berlin
>> the centre-right Christian Democrats have campaigned in local elections
>> on a platform of protecting the freedom to drive.Another worry is that as
>> city centres freed from cars become more attractive, they also become more
>> expensive—pushing some, especially families, out to suburbs where they
>> need cars after all.In America housing in the most walkable
>> neighbourhoods now costs 34% more than it does in sprawling places,
>> according to one study.New technology might change things too.
>>
>> Electric cars may blunt climate-change concerns.They are cheaper to run
>> than fossil-fuelled vehicles, which could encourage more driving.But in
>> the parts of Europe where anti-car policies have been in place for the
>> longest, they appear to have worked like a ratchet.Giulio Mattioli, a
>> transport professor at Dortmund University, notes that almost nowhere in
>> the world that has removed a big road, or pedestrianised a shopping
>> street, has decided to reverse course.“Once people see [the benefits],
>> they generally don’t want to go back.
>>
>> ” Several studies, including Dr Chatterjee’s, have concluded that driving
>> habits that are formed in youth seem to persist, with those who begin to
>> drive later continuing to drive less, even into their 40s.If that pattern
>> holds, the 21st century might just see the car’s high-water mark.■.
>>
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 by: JNugent - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:59 UTC

On 18/02/2023 03:12 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> In the UK, after sky high rent, food and galloping inflation, is there any wonder why the young are rejecting car ownership?
> PRIORITIES COME FIRST, BY DEFINITION.

There aren't many priorities that come higher up the list than being
able to get around.

And there is no sign around here of "the young" going so far as to
"reject" car use. Plenty of houses have three or four cars on the drive.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:11 UTC

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 3:12:18 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> In the UK, after sky high rent, food and galloping inflation, is there any wonder why the young are rejecting car ownership?
> PRIORITIES COME FIRST, BY DEFINITION.

Too many avocados on toast! :-)

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 by: Spike - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:22 UTC

JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:
> On 18/02/2023 03:12 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In the UK, after sky high rent, food and galloping inflation, is there
>> any wonder why the young are rejecting car ownership?
>> PRIORITIES COME FIRST, BY DEFINITION.
>
> There aren't many priorities that come higher up the list than being
> able to get around.
>
> And there is no sign around here of "the young" going so far as to
> "reject" car use. Plenty of houses have three or four cars on the drive.

It’s a typical have-it-both-ways argument by Mason and his running-dogs:

- If the young don’t have cars, it because of the crushing burdens they
are placed under

- If the young do have cars, that’s a bad thing for the specious reason de
jour and they need to be coerced away from them

--
Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:55 UTC

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 5:11:57 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 3:12:18 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > In the UK, after sky high rent, food and galloping inflation, is there any wonder why the young are rejecting car ownership?
> > PRIORITIES COME FIRST, BY DEFINITION.
> Too many avocados on toast! :-)

I had my own house at 23 - beat that, millennials.


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