Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Meanwhile as Graeme noticed in another thread, several people have noticed
> that this is simply a little-used version of the BR logo originally created
> in the 1960s, with the area of blue made wider!
>
> <https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/1491781394875310094?s=21>

That was featured on the cover of a book of BR designs, published by the
Danish Design Council in 1986:
http://page-spread.com/british-rail-design/
It's rather interesting as an homage to BR design from a Danish railways
perspective.

I have to say I prefer the one with the smaller blue area - it stands out at
a distance better when you can't discern the colours.

Theo

On 11/02/2022 21:24, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 14:24:05 +0000, Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 06:44:27 +0000, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:55:59 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/02/2022 17:29, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> They've rolled the arrows of indecision in the Union Jack:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmowner/page/search?id=1122140&domain=1&app=0&mark=UK00003742053>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good find.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
>>>>> became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
>>>>> trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
>>>>> revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
>>>> in Scotland?
>>>>
>>> No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
>>> Government:-
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
>>
>> ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
>>
> Neither do any other TOCs.

Hasn't part of the Valleys rail network been handed over to TfW?

On 11/02/2022 18:22, Arthur Figgis wrote:
>
> Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
> people" slogan.

I wonder if they have a shop on board.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j>

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 21:24, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 14:24:05 +0000, Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 06:44:27 +0000, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:55:59 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/02/2022 17:29, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> They've rolled the arrows of indecision in the Union Jack:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmowner/page/search?id=1122140&domain=1&app=0&mark=UK00003742053>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a good find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
>>>>>> became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
>>>>>> trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
>>>>>> revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
>>>>> in Scotland?
>>>>>
>>>> No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
>>>> Government:-
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
>>>
>>> ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
>>>
>> Neither do any other TOCs.
>
> Hasn't part of the Valleys rail network been handed over to TfW?
>

Yes, good point.

On 12/02/2022 10:42, Ken wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:22:44 +0000, Arthur Figgis
> <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2022 22:10, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2022 21:48, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/02/2022 17:29, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> They've rolled the arrows of indecision in the Union Jack:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmowner/page/search?id=1122140&domain=1&app=0&mark=UK00003742053>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to
>>>> appear in
>>>> front of it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
>>
>> Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
>> people" slogan.
>
> The second-smartest livery on the railways, after TPE. It's coherent
> and relevant. I feel there's a difference between Scotland's pride in
> their nation, and its railway, and Westminster's cosying up the
> flag-shaggers.

And what is that difference? (My experience is that it seems to involve
the demographics someone observed on a bus or train when they once went
to London)

--
Arthur Figgis