Electric cars with 5932 sales outsold hybrids with 5716 sales last
month. Plug in hybrids were outsold 10:1 by the full electrics

Tesla Model 3 was the third best selling vehicle of any kind with 2927
sales behind the Raptor and the Hilux and was the top selling passenger
car for the month.

Total car sales for February were 86878 which means that conventional IC
engined cars were still ~87% of the market.

(According to the Courier Mail)

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On 8/03/2023 8:41 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> Electric cars with 5932 sales outsold hybrids with 5716 sales last
> month. Plug in hybrids were outsold 10:1 by the full electrics
>
> Tesla Model 3 was the third best selling vehicle of any kind with 2927
> sales behind the Raptor and the Hilux and was the top selling passenger
> car for the month.
>
> Total car sales for February were 86878 which means that conventional IC
> engined cars were still ~87% of the market.

With the top two of those being diesel powered utes.

The new Ford Ranger is the top selling car in the country at the moment,
with sales figures of 4 and a half thousand units a month which has well
and truly knocked the Toyota Hilux off it's perch as the number one
seller in the country. It's also just under two thousand units a month
more than the most popular electric car being the Tesla model 3.

Most models in the top ten are doing well with sales figures on the
rise, and some like the Mazda CX-5 doing exceptionally well with an
increase of 105% over this time last year. The only marque in the top
ten doing badly at the moment is Toyota with their two top selling
models, the Hilux and the Rav4, taking huge hits being down 25.9% and a
whopping 52.5% respectively.

In other news, I received an email from Ford today that my new Ranger
Wildtrak's scheduled delivery has been pushed back yet again to the 5th
of May, which if that turns out to be accurate will be one week short of
a year from order to delivery. It's frustrating, but there's not a hell
of a lot you can do. The Ranger is the best new ute on the market at the
moment and by a very long away, and to buy anything else is simply short
changing yourself to get a car quicker. Ford seems to have
under-estimated the demand for the things, as the initial allocation of
7500 units almost evaporated in the face of 40 thousand orders.

My ute is scheduled to be built in early April, and if all goes well and
there are no more quarantine hang-ups on the docs it should be in the
country in early May. It was originally supposed to be a MY2022 unit,
but there has been a MY2023.5 update model released which goes into
production this month and mine is scheduled to be one of those. Some bug
fixes, some updated electronics, and a few other minor changes relative
to chip shortages that are still affecting production.

Interestingly, I wasn't all that bothered about the delays in Ranger
production as I wanted to wait and see what the new Volkswagen Amarok
would be like. For those that don't know the Ford Ranger and Volkswagen
Amarok are a shared mechanical platorm with the differences being trim
and minor bodywork much like a Hyundai Santa Fe and a Kia Sorento, and I
was keen to see what the Amarok was like in terms of price and kit as I
quite like the look of it compared to the Ranger and was hoping to get
an "in the flesh" peek before the Ranger arrived and I had to commit to it.

The nearest "Wildtrak" equivalent in the Amarok range is the "Aventura",
and as it's due in the country around the time my Ranger is I thought
I'd take a look at it and see which one I liked best. Exterior wise I
don't really care as there hasn't been a dual cab ute made yet that
looks "pretty", but I was interested in features and in particular the
interior. You spend your time sitting in the thing driving it not
looking at it from the outside, and whatever interior I liked best would
be the one for me. And on that score I liked the Amarok Aventura. At
least from what I could see in photos and video reviews. The Wildtrak is
certainly nice, but the Aventura looks just that little bit nicer and I
figured that if they were around the same money, give or take, I'd look
at the Aventura in the flesh and order that instead.

Volkswagen got back to me a couple of days ago with a price as I've been
on their "interested" list for a few months now, and that "give or take"
for the Aventura is an extra 12 thousand bucks over the Ranger Wildtrak
out the door :)

So, come early May, there will most likely be a new Ford Ranger Wildtrak
parked in my shed. Well, at least if I don't end up doing a deal with a
guy for a 1 of 43 factory RHD '65 Mustang :)

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Noddy.

On 8/03/2023 9:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/03/2023 8:41 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> Electric cars with 5932 sales outsold hybrids with 5716 sales last
>> month. Plug in hybrids were outsold 10:1 by the full electrics
>>
>> Tesla Model 3 was the third best selling vehicle of any kind with 2927
>> sales behind the Raptor and the Hilux and was the top selling
>> passenger car for the month.
>>
>> Total car sales for February were 86878 which means that conventional
>> IC engined cars were still ~87% of the market.
>
> With the top two of those being diesel powered utes.
>
> The new Ford Ranger is the top selling car in the country at the moment,
> with sales figures of 4 and a half thousand units a month which has well
> and truly knocked the Toyota Hilux off it's perch as the number one
> seller in the country. It's also just under two thousand units a month
> more than the most popular electric car being the Tesla model 3.
>
> Most models in the top ten are doing well with sales figures on the
> rise, and some like the Mazda CX-5 doing exceptionally well with an
> increase of 105% over this time last year. The only marque in the top
> ten doing badly at the moment is Toyota with their two top selling
> models, the Hilux and the Rav4, taking huge hits being down 25.9% and a
> whopping 52.5% respectively.
>
> In other news, I received an email from Ford today that my new Ranger
> Wildtrak's scheduled delivery has been pushed back yet again to the 5th
> of May, which if that turns out to be accurate will be one week short of
> a year from order to delivery. It's frustrating, but there's not a hell
> of a lot you can do. The Ranger is the best new ute on the market at the
> moment and by a very long away, and to buy anything else is simply short
> changing yourself to get a car quicker. Ford seems to have
> under-estimated the demand for the things, as the initial allocation of
> 7500 units almost evaporated in the face of 40 thousand orders.
>
> My ute is scheduled to be built in early April, and if all goes well and
> there are no more quarantine hang-ups on the docs it should be in the
> country in early May. It was originally supposed to be a MY2022 unit,
> but there has been a MY2023.5 update model released which goes into
> production this month and mine is scheduled to be one of those. Some bug
> fixes, some updated electronics, and a few other minor changes relative
> to chip shortages that are still affecting production.
>
> Interestingly, I wasn't all that bothered about the delays in Ranger
> production as I wanted to wait and see what the new Volkswagen Amarok
> would be like. For those that don't know the Ford Ranger and Volkswagen
> Amarok are a shared mechanical platorm with the differences being trim
> and minor bodywork much like a Hyundai Santa Fe and a Kia Sorento, and I
> was keen to see what the Amarok was like in terms of price and kit as I
> quite like the look of it compared to the Ranger and was hoping to get
> an "in the flesh" peek before the Ranger arrived and I had to commit to it.
>
> The nearest "Wildtrak" equivalent in the Amarok range is the "Aventura",
> and as it's due in the country around the time my Ranger is I thought
> I'd take a look at it and see which one I liked best. Exterior wise I
> don't really care as there hasn't been a dual cab ute made yet that
> looks "pretty", but I was interested in features and in particular the
> interior. You spend your time sitting in the thing driving it not
> looking at it from the outside, and whatever interior I liked best would
> be the one for me. And on that score I liked the Amarok Aventura. At
> least from what I could see in photos and video reviews. The Wildtrak is
> certainly nice, but the Aventura looks just that little bit nicer and I
> figured that if they were around the same money, give or take, I'd look
> at the Aventura in the flesh and order that instead.
>
> Volkswagen got back to me a couple of days ago with a price as I've been
> on their "interested" list for a few months now, and that "give or take"
> for the Aventura is an extra 12 thousand bucks over the Ranger Wildtrak
> out the door :)
>
> So, come early May, there will most likely be a new Ford Ranger Wildtrak
> parked in my shed. Well, at least if I don't end up doing a deal with a
> guy for a 1 of 43 factory RHD '65 Mustang :)

Utes are obviously the thing you need if you have to carry a lot of
stuff around especially big stuff on a regular basis, but I don't get
the idea of them as a family car.

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On 9/03/2023 8:26 am, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 8/03/2023 9:43 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> So, come early May, there will most likely be a new Ford Ranger
>> Wildtrak parked in my shed. Well, at least if I don't end up doing a
>> deal with a guy for a 1 of 43 factory RHD '65 Mustang :)
>
> Utes are obviously the thing you need if you have to carry a lot of
> stuff around especially big stuff on a regular basis, but I don't get
> the idea of them as a family car.

Clearly a lot of people do, or they wouldn't be the number one selling
vehicle on the market.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/3/2023 8:41 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> Electric cars with 5932 sales outsold hybrids with 5716 sales last
> month. Plug in hybrids were outsold 10:1 by the full electrics
>
> Tesla Model 3 was the third best selling vehicle of any kind with 2927
> sales behind the Raptor and the Hilux and was the top selling passenger
> car for the month.
>
> Total car sales for February were 86878 which means that conventional IC
> engined cars were still ~87% of the market.
>
> (According to the Courier Mail)
>

I think that of the 4 types plug in hybrids make the most sense, until
my friends bought a PHEV I never would of thought that they were so good.
I think that PHEV are poorly marketed and therefore not many understand
how they work.
In just over 4000km they used about 30lts of petrol (well under
1lt/100km), most of the time its does short trips running on full
electric but there is no "range anxiety" since it has the petrol engine
as back up so best of both worlds.

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On 9/3/2023 8:26 am, Keithr0 wrote:

>> So, come early May, there will most likely be a new Ford Ranger
>> Wildtrak parked in my shed. Well, at least if I don't end up doing a
>> deal with a guy for a 1 of 43 factory RHD '65 Mustang :)
>
> Utes are obviously the thing you need if you have to carry a lot of
> stuff around especially big stuff on a regular basis, but I don't get
> the idea of them as a family car.
>

I wouldn't use one for that purpose either but a lot of people do and
its partly due to tax reasons, a ute with over one tonne load capacity
has some FBT exemptions so an employee can have a one tonne ute without
his employer having to pay FBT.
Also not many if any vehicles are as versatile as a 4 door ute and the
newer models are much more car like to drive and ride in.

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Daryl

On 8/3/2023 10:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/03/2023 8:41 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> Electric cars with 5932 sales outsold hybrids with 5716 sales last
>> month. Plug in hybrids were outsold 10:1 by the full electrics
>>
>> Tesla Model 3 was the third best selling vehicle of any kind with 2927
>> sales behind the Raptor and the Hilux and was the top selling
>> passenger car for the month.
>>
>> Total car sales for February were 86878 which means that conventional
>> IC engined cars were still ~87% of the market.
>
> With the top two of those being diesel powered utes.
>
> The new Ford Ranger is the top selling car in the country at the moment,
> with sales figures of 4 and a half thousand units a month which has well
> and truly knocked the Toyota Hilux off it's perch as the number one
> seller in the country. It's also just under two thousand units a month
> more than the most popular electric car being the Tesla model 3.
>
> Most models in the top ten are doing well with sales figures on the
> rise, and some like the Mazda CX-5 doing exceptionally well with an
> increase of 105% over this time last year. The only marque in the top
> ten doing badly at the moment is Toyota with their two top selling
> models, the Hilux and the Rav4, taking huge hits being down 25.9% and a
> whopping 52.5% respectively.

In the case of the RAV4 I think that many people who want one have given
up waiting and bought something else, the hybrid model is very popular
but wait times are very long.
A lot of previous Hilux sales were base model Workmate models which they
no longer sell, the still sell Workmates but they are no longer as
basic, you used to be able to buy a base model for around $23k on the
road ready for work but now the closet equivalent is about $10k more
which has to have affected sales.
Son usually replaces his 3 Workmates at around 100,000km, all were
replaced not that long ago, the new ones whilst still looking much the
same have auto trans and lots of other "features" that add almost $10k
to the price but despite that he won't have anything else.

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Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tu9scg$t36f$1@dont-email.me:

snip nothing of interest.

Crikey! Imagine the volume of the derisory brays that'd be emanating from
Bumhole (Vic) if one of the Fraudsters critics had to wait for *a year* for
their vehicle!

alvey
Unhappy with hideous, SMS behemoths being labelled as a "car". A "car" is
*not* something which you can stand a fridge upright in.

On 9/03/2023 10:19 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/3/2023 8:26 am, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> So, come early May, there will most likely be a new Ford Ranger
>>> Wildtrak parked in my shed. Well, at least if I don't end up doing a
>>> deal with a guy for a 1 of 43 factory RHD '65 Mustang :)
>>
>> Utes are obviously the thing you need if you have to carry a lot of
>> stuff around especially big stuff on a regular basis, but I don't get
>> the idea of them as a family car.
>>
>
> I wouldn't use one for that purpose either but a lot of people do and
> its partly due to tax reasons, a ute with over one tonne load capacity
> has some FBT exemptions so an employee can have a one tonne ute without
> his employer having to pay FBT.
> Also not many if any vehicles are as versatile as a 4 door ute and the
> newer models are much more car like to drive and ride in.

That's it. It's the practicality aspect for me. I don't need to use a
ute every single day, but they're a great "all rounder" when you do. For
example, Tuesday just gone I had to go out to Hallam to collect a
hydraulic scissor lift table I'd bought online, and while it's
reasonably large it would have fit into the back of a ute. But because I
don't have a ute at the moment I had to drive the Santa Fe and tow my
trailer all the way out there and back which is a pain in the arse.
Similar story a month or so ago when I had to go to Geelong to pick up a
5 litre Windsor engine and some associated crap. All easily doable in a
ute, but not having one makes it that much more of a pain.

There's also the aspect of "being in the right place at the right time"
which makes random purchases easy :)

I don't need one for tax purposes, and as far as day to day driving goes
I'm not all that fussed about it these days to want anything special. As
long as it has a decent sound system, comfortable seats and does the job
with a minimum of fuss that'll do me. I'm looking forward to the new
Ranger as they're a quantum leap in terms of refinement as far as utes
go, and I can see a lot more people making the transition if they
continue down that path.

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Noddy.

On 9/03/2023 10:37 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 8/3/2023 10:43 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Most models in the top ten are doing well with sales figures on the
>> rise, and some like the Mazda CX-5 doing exceptionally well with an
>> increase of 105% over this time last year. The only marque in the top
>> ten doing badly at the moment is Toyota with their two top selling
>> models, the Hilux and the Rav4, taking huge hits being down 25.9% and
>> a whopping 52.5% respectively.
>
> In the case of the RAV4 I think that many people who want one have given
> up waiting and bought something else, the hybrid model is very popular
> but wait times are very long.

There's wait times for most things at the moment unfortunately.

> A lot of previous Hilux sales were base model Workmate models which they
> no longer sell, the still sell Workmates but they are no longer as
> basic, you used to be able to buy a base model for around $23k on the
> road ready for work but now the closet equivalent is about $10k more
> which has to have affected sales.
> Son usually replaces his 3 Workmates at around 100,000km, all were
> replaced not that long ago, the new ones whilst still looking much the
> same have auto trans and lots of other "features" that add almost $10k
> to the price but despite that he won't have anything else.

Bizarre.

Biggest problem facing the Hilux at the moment is that it's just not a
good buy, and that's especially the case in the upmarket models.

I tested a new "Rogue" out last month as I was getting a bit tired of
waiting for the Ranger and wanted to see if there was anything else that
I could like in it's place, and it was really disappointing. It was only
something a grand cheaper than the Wildtrak, but the *lack* of equipment
it came with was appalling. It felt really old and dated, it's
performance was pretty average, it drove like a truck and for 75 grand
out the door it just had nothing going for it. Seriously, I wanted to
like it but I just couldn't. I actually left the dealership scratching
my head as to why anyone would *want* one, and thought at 10 grand less
the Triton was a better buy.

I understand Toyota has a huge fan base and people love them, but I'm
*fucked* it I know why. There is nothing whatsoever even *remotely*
special about anything they make, and they generally offer the least
value for money.

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Noddy.