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by: Spike - Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:20 UTC

1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
(Trafalgar Sq)

2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
(Centrum)

3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
(Notre Dame)

Your exercise for today:

Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
cycling infrastructure.

--
Spike

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 00:28 UTC

On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> (Trafalgar Sq)
>
>
> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> (Centrum)
>
>
> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> (Notre Dame)
>
>
> Your exercise for today:
>
> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> cycling infrastructure.
>
> --
> Spike

IOW the congestion charge is working.

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by: Spike - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 11:16 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>>
>>
>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>> (Centrum)
>>
>>
>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>> (Notre Dame)
>>
>>
>> Your exercise for today:
>>
>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>> cycling infrastructure.
>>
>> --
>> Spike

> IOW the congestion charge is working.

IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
to be.

--
Spike

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 16:13 UTC

On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> >> (Trafalgar Sq)
> >>
> >>
> >> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >> (Centrum)
> >>
> >>
> >> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >> (Notre Dame)
> >>
> >>
> >> Your exercise for today:
> >>
> >> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> >> cycling infrastructure.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Spike
>
> > IOW the congestion charge is working.
> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
> to be.
>
> --
> Spike
So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.

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by: Spike - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 16:26 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>> (Centrum)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>> (Notre Dame)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your exercise for today:
>>>>
>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>>>> cycling infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Spike
>>
>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
>> to be.
>>
>> --
>> Spike

> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.

So you admit that cyclists are encouraged to cycle in polluted cities.

--
Spike

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by: JNugent - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 16:35 UTC

On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:

>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>
>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>> (Centrum)
>
>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>> (Notre Dame)
>
>>>> Your exercise for today:
>
>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>>>> cycling infrastructure.
>
>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.

>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
>> to be.
>
> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.

Not all of it.

Not even most of it.

London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
them on others, outside London.

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 18:03 UTC

On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:26:39 UTC, Spike wrote:
> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> >>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>> (Centrum)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>> (Notre Dame)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Your exercise for today:
> >>>>
> >>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> >>>> cycling infrastructure.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Spike
> >>
> >>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
> >> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
> >> to be.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Spike
>
> > So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
> So you admit that cyclists are encouraged to cycle in polluted cities.
>
> --
> Spike

Where did I say that?

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 18:10 UTC

On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
>
> >>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> >>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
> >
> >>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>> (Centrum)
> >
> >>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>> (Notre Dame)
> >
> >>>> Your exercise for today:
> >
> >>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> >>>> cycling infrastructure.
> >
> >>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
>
> >> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
> >> to be.
> >
> > So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
> Not all of it.
>
> Not even most of it.
>
> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
> them on others, outside London.

What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?

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by: JNugent - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:21 UTC

On 24/02/2023 06:03 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:26:39 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:

>>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>> (Centrum)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>> (Notre Dame)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your exercise for today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
>>>>>>
>
>>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.

>>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
>>>> to be.
>>>>

>>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.

>> So you admit that cyclists are encouraged to cycle in polluted cities.
>
> Where did I say that?

:-)

The biter, bit.

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by: JNugent - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:22 UTC

On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>
>>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>>>
>>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>> (Centrum)
>>>
>>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>> (Notre Dame)
>>>
>>>>>> Your exercise for today:
>>>
>>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
>>>
>>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
>>
>>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
>>>> to be.
>>>
>>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
>> Not all of it.
>>
>> Not even most of it.
>>
>> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
>> them on others, outside London.
>
> What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?

Of what possible relevance is that to the discussion?

The point is that London wants all of its emissions to be inflicted on
people outside London.

Can Khan pronounce "utter hypocrisy"?

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:56 UTC

On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 21:22:33 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> >>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
> >>>
> >>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>>>> (Centrum)
> >>>
> >>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>>>> (Notre Dame)
> >>>
> >>>>>> Your exercise for today:
> >>>
> >>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> >>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
> >>>
> >>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
> >>
> >>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
> >>>> to be.
> >>>
> >>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
> >> Not all of it.
> >>
> >> Not even most of it.
> >>
> >> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
> >> them on others, outside London.
> >
> > What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?
> Of what possible relevance is that to the discussion?
>
> The point is that London wants all of its emissions to be inflicted on
> people outside London.
>
> Can Khan pronounce "utter hypocrisy"?

I'll give you that one.
The next nuclear power station should be built in central London.

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by: JNugent - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 01:33 UTC

On 24/02/2023 09:56 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 21:22:33 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>>>>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>>>> (Centrum)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>>>> (Notre Dame)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your exercise for today:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>>>>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
>>>>
>>>>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
>>>>>> to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
>>>> Not all of it.
>>>>
>>>> Not even most of it.
>>>>
>>>> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
>>>> them on others, outside London.
>>>
>>> What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?
>> Of what possible relevance is that to the discussion?
>>
>> The point is that London wants all of its emissions to be inflicted on
>> people outside London.
>>
>> Can Khan pronounce "utter hypocrisy"?
>
> I'll give you that one.
> The next nuclear power station should be built in central London.

I'm glad we agree on that.

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by: Mike Collins - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:35 UTC

On Saturday, 25 February 2023 at 01:33:56 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 24/02/2023 09:56 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 21:22:33 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> >>>>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>>>>>> (Centrum)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>>>>>> (Notre Dame)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your exercise for today:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> >>>>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
> >>>>>> to be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
> >>>> Not all of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not even most of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
> >>>> them on others, outside London.
> >>>
> >>> What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?
> >> Of what possible relevance is that to the discussion?
> >>
> >> The point is that London wants all of its emissions to be inflicted on
> >> people outside London.
> >>
> >> Can Khan pronounce "utter hypocrisy"?
> >
> > I'll give you that one.
> > The next nuclear power station should be built in central London.
> I'm glad we agree on that.

How about M25 exit visas. If those who live outside London have to pay a congestion fee to drive in to London it seems reasonable to charge Londoners a fee if they impose their congestion on us. From an environmental standpoint if you live within the M25 there is no reason to leave.

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by: JNugent - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 12:25 UTC

On 25/02/2023 07:35 am, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Saturday, 25 February 2023 at 01:33:56 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 24/02/2023 09:56 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 21:22:33 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

[ ... ]

>>>>> What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?

>>>> Of what possible relevance is that to the discussion?
>>>> The point is that London wants all of its emissions to be inflicted on
>>>> people outside London.
>>>> Can Khan pronounce "utter hypocrisy"?
>
>>> I'll give you that one.
>>> The next nuclear power station should be built in central London.

>> I'm glad we agree on that.

> How about M25 exit visas. If those who live outside London have to pay a congestion fee to drive in to London it seems reasonable to charge Londoners a fee if they impose their congestion on us. From an environmental standpoint if you live within the M25 there is no reason to leave.

....especially since the Greater London area will contain hundreds, if
not thousands, of "fifteen minute city areas".

But the M25 also encloses parts of Essex, Kent, Surrey and Herts (maybe
a bit of Bucks as well).

The inhabitants of (for instance) Epsom and Dartford have done nothing
to deserve to have to pay a fee for crossing the M25 in an outward
direction. They're already penalised more than enough by Kleptomania Khan.

Other than that, we're on the same page.

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by: Mike Collins - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:23 UTC

Buckingham Palace would seem an ideal place. We, the taxpayers, could keep the external facade for tourists to photograph and convert the inside to something useful just like Battersea Power Station. Chuck and his Moll can get a job and buy their own house.

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by: JNugent - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 16:44 UTC

On 25/02/2023 03:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Saturday, 25 February 2023 at 01:33:56 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 24/02/2023 09:56 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 21:22:33 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
>>>>>>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>>>>>> (Centrum)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
>>>>>>>>>> (Notre Dame)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your exercise for today:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
>>>>>>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
>>>>>>>> to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
>>>>>> Not all of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even most of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
>>>>>> them on others, outside London.
>>>>>
>>>>> What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?

>> I'm glad we agree on that.
>
> Buckingham Palace would seem an ideal place. We, the taxpayers, could keep the external facade for tourists to photograph and convert the inside to something useful just like Battersea Power Station. Chuck and his Moll can get a job and buy their own house.

I was thinking further east. On the site of City Hall (the Newham one).
It's adjacent to water as well:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham)>

It's not as though it is fulfilling any useful purpose.

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by: Mike Collins - Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:42 UTC

On Saturday, 25 February 2023 at 16:44:47 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 03:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Saturday, 25 February 2023 at 01:33:56 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 24/02/2023 09:56 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 21:22:33 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 24/02/2023 06:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 16:35:14 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 24/02/2023 04:13 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 11:16:22 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 13:20:25 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1st…London….Good (Green) (35)
> >>>>>>>>>> (Trafalgar Sq)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2nd…Amsterdam….Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>>>>>>>> (Centrum)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 3rd…Paris…Moderate (Amber) (66)
> >>>>>>>>>> (Notre Dame)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Your exercise for today:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Rank these cities in terms of their Active Travel policies and level of
> >>>>>>>>>> cycling infrastructure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> IOW the congestion charge is working.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> IOW Amsterdam and Paris aren’t the cycling utopias that they are made out
> >>>>>>>> to be.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you admit air pollution is caused by motor vehicles.
> >>>>>> Not all of it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not even most of it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> London creates lots of emissions and expects to be allowed to impose
> >>>>>> them on others, outside London.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What percentage of PM10 and PM2.5 come from the exhaust of pedal cycles?
>
> >>>> Of what possible relevance is that to the discussion?
> >>>> The point is that London wants all of its emissions to be inflicted on
> >>>> people outside London.
> >>>> Can Khan pronounce "utter hypocrisy"?
> >
> >>> I'll give you that one.
> >>> The next nuclear power station should be built in central London.
>
> >> I'm glad we agree on that.
> >
> > Buckingham Palace would seem an ideal place. We, the taxpayers, could keep the external facade for tourists to photograph and convert the inside to something useful just like Battersea Power Station. Chuck and his Moll can get a job and buy their own house.
> I was thinking further east. On the site of City Hall (the Newham one).
> It's adjacent to water as well:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham)>
>
> It's not as though it is fulfilling any useful purpose.

Just so long as they leave Island Gardens alone, it's the only civilised place in London.

Gloffing is a state of mine.

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PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Spike
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Spike
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Spike
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	JNugent
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	JNugent
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	JNugent
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	JNugent
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	JNugent
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	JNugent
Re: PM2.5 AQ Report 20230223	Mike Collins