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Re: Elizabeth Line stealth public launch

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 by: Recliner - Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:26 UTC

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:15:55 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <udaa0hp2bjlpt1pi6ug1jgdphru3fjmbfq@4ax.com>, at 15:11:08 on
>Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:51:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <su0tnb$atl$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:30:19 on Wed, 9 Feb 2022,
>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> There's plenty of indications that quite a bit of shine has been taken
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You keep trotting out that theory, but with zero evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try searching for "value engineering", there are plenty of quotes.
>>>>
>>>>If you'd actually read the article, you'd know that was to improve the
>>>>efficiency of the construction, as should happen with any large engineering
>>>>project. No user visible deliverables were cut. So, your statement,
>>>>"There's plenty of indications that quite a bit of shine has been taken
>>>>off," is simply wrong.
>>>
>>>The same lighting and signage in the stations, rather than customised,
>>>is one example that leaps out from the reporting.
>>
>>Shock, horror! That disastrous reduction in the spec is really going
>>to upset the passengers. They will obviously be
>>disgusted to see common signage and lighting standards used in
>>different stations. What an insult to their intelligence
>>and artistic sensibilities!
>
>The consequences are disjoint from the implementation.

You suggested that the passenger experiences were in some way degraded. They have not been.

>
>There was a time when giving stations individual identities was regarded
>as important.

And it's happening with the Crossrail stations, too. Each will have its own distinct identity. As I said, absolutely
none of the shine has been taken off the passenger experience.

> Different platform wall tiling for example. Was this
>something we adopted from Paris, or re-invented for ourselves?

It goes back a very long way in London (at least to the Yerkes stations), but I don't know if it was an original idea
back then.

>
>>>I'm not surprised they didn't provide a detailed list in the overviews,
>>>because then people might have started to quibble (like they did with
>>>the scrapping of the toilets). There's probably lots of it in the
>>>thousands of pages of project documentation, but as you've clearly
>>>decided this is another of your "la la I can't hear you" threads, what's
>>>the point?
>>>
>>>>> Or is this now your turn to not be able to admit you are wrong?
>>>>
>>>>You've failed to provide any evidence to support your unfounded
>>>>allegations. So we already know who was wrong.
>>>
>>>You've decided to ignore the evidence, so it's not as clear-cut as that.
>>
>>There is none.
>
>"LA-LA, I can't hear you".
>
>[StP Thameslink]
>
>>>Unless I'm mistaken, what they probably did was just build the platforms
>>>either side of the existing though-running lines, so not even any extra
>>>signalling let alone pointwork.
>>
>>Yes, I think that's correct, though there obviously was signalling for
>>the platforms when built.
>>
>It's all in-cab signalling I suspect, and you wouldn't need any extra
>signalling just because there's an extra stop on a plain line.
>
>>>If they'd planned for just two tracks it would have been easier to
>>>design it around a single island platform,
>>
>>That's GCR-style station design is not the preferred approach these days.
>
>Some of it on the Jubilee Line extension though.

Yes, and the recent Northern Line extension.

>
>>> but luckily (if that's the right word) the mezzanine scheme would
>>>have allowed for any of the three possible layouts (two tracks with
>>>side platforms, one island, or two islands).
>>
>>They only constructed the mezzanine when they already knew what
>>platform layout had been constructed.
>
>Now it's your turn to provide some evidence.

Huh, Are you suggesting that the mezzanine was constructed with the station box, or only when the funding was available
to fit it out? The former seems very unlikely, and if the latter, than they already knew the exact platform layout when
it was constructed.

>
>>>But they'd have to have planned that ahead of the 2004 closure to build
>>>the station box and through-line it. (For the duration, trains from the
>>>north terminated in what's now the domestic HS1 platforms, although very
>>>much themselves a work in progress (the buffet was a portacabin on the
>>>track level concourse).
>>
>>Yes, assuming that the four track approach was ever the plan, which it
>>appears not to have been.
>
>It absolutely was, as confirmed by others up-thread.

It was an aspiration, for sure, and a good idea, but there seems to be no evidence that it was ever a formal plan.

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:18:30 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <odsc0ht0it3vgktl9g9kops6jcub63qrgf@4ax.com>, at 14:26:07 on
>Fri, 11 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>>I have quite a few drawing of proposed reconstruction of the tube
>>>footways between the Subsurface platforms and the Piccadilly/Northern
>>>Line (thus obsoleting the up-and-over connection via the Khyber Pass).
>>>But they didn't go ahead with it.
>>>
>>>However, the western end of the Northern Line platforms are only just
>>>over 100m from the southern end of the Thameslink platforms, and the
>>>only plausible explanation I've seen is they didn't want to have to
>>>introduce/operate a gateline.
>>>
>>>Admittedly the Victoria and Piccadilly platforms are even further east,
>>>the whole length of the Northern platforms, plus another hundred yards.
>>
>>I wonder if there's a reluctance to have such a long underground passageway? Are there safety implications? At the
>>very least, I suppose there would have to be moving walkways.
>
>You can't get much longer than the passageways from the Northern Ticket
>Hall to Picc/Vic platforms (and on to the old KGX Thameslink station,
>now just a part-time entrance/exit).

It would be a lot further from the TL platforms.

>
>Then there's another from the Northern Ticket Hall to the Google
>complex.

Do you mean the ever-changing polychromatic display corridor under 3 King's Boulevard (the grid-iron building)? That's
not very long, and simply duplicates a shorter surface walk along King's Boulevard. You only need take it in bad weather
or if you want a (longer) step-free way down to the ticket hall.

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 by: Roland Perry - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 07:35 UTC

In message <76pk0hllbt047039ofpu205mc3edh4grec@4ax.com>, at 14:26:42 on
Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:15:55 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <udaa0hp2bjlpt1pi6ug1jgdphru3fjmbfq@4ax.com>, at 15:11:08 on
>>Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:51:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <su0tnb$atl$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:30:19 on Wed, 9 Feb 2022,
>>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> There's plenty of indications that quite a bit of shine has been taken
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You keep trotting out that theory, but with zero evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try searching for "value engineering", there are plenty of quotes.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you'd actually read the article, you'd know that was to improve the
>>>>>efficiency of the construction, as should happen with any large engineering
>>>>>project. No user visible deliverables were cut. So, your statement,
>>>>>"There's plenty of indications that quite a bit of shine has been taken
>>>>>off," is simply wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The same lighting and signage in the stations, rather than customised,
>>>>is one example that leaps out from the reporting.
>>>
>>>Shock, horror! That disastrous reduction in the spec is really going
>>>to upset the passengers. They will obviously be disgusted to see
>>>common signage and lighting standards used in different stations.
>>>What an insult to their intelligence and artistic sensibilities!
>>
>>The consequences are disjoint from the implementation.
>
>You suggested that the passenger experiences were in some way degraded.
>They have not been.

We won't notice, because we weren't told much about the original
experience. Other than having toilets at all stations, which has been
withdrawn.

>>There was a time when giving stations individual identities was regarded
>>as important.
>
>And it's happening with the Crossrail stations, too. Each will have its
>own distinct identity. As I said, absolutely none of the shine has been
>taken off the passenger experience.

The extent of that "identity" has been significantly toned down. That
may not be a bad thing, though. Some may get a better experience from
seeing a plainer station rather than one where they begrudge the money
spent on marble halls.

>>[StP Thameslink]

>>>Yes, assuming that the four track approach was ever the plan, which it
>>>appears not to have been.
>>
>>It absolutely was, as confirmed by others up-thread.
>
>It was an aspiration, for sure, and a good idea, but there seems to be
>no evidence that it was ever a formal plan.

"Here's our plan, it's operationally very good; can we have the money to
fit out the box (which we note was constructed for four line operation,
so the people who had it were working to a plan)".

"No, you need come up with an alternative, cheaper simplified plan, with
just two lines".
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 09:21 UTC

In message <bmpk0hdnsv47871i7o99dct95gag9furvf@4ax.com>, at 14:35:34 on
Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:18:30 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <odsc0ht0it3vgktl9g9kops6jcub63qrgf@4ax.com>, at 14:26:07 on
>>Fri, 11 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>>I have quite a few drawing of proposed reconstruction of the tube
>>>>footways between the Subsurface platforms and the Piccadilly/Northern
>>>>Line (thus obsoleting the up-and-over connection via the Khyber Pass).
>>>>But they didn't go ahead with it.
>>>>
>>>>However, the western end of the Northern Line platforms are only just
>>>>over 100m from the southern end of the Thameslink platforms, and the
>>>>only plausible explanation I've seen is they didn't want to have to
>>>>introduce/operate a gateline.
>>>>
>>>>Admittedly the Victoria and Piccadilly platforms are even further east,
>>>>the whole length of the Northern platforms, plus another hundred yards.
>>>
>>>I wonder if there's a reluctance to have such a long underground
>>>passageway? Are there safety implications? At the
>>>very least, I suppose there would have to be moving walkways.
>>
>>You can't get much longer than the passageways from the Northern Ticket
>>Hall to Picc/Vic platforms (and on to the old KGX Thameslink station,
>>now just a part-time entrance/exit).
>
>It would be a lot further from the TL platforms.

Not as a single passage if that tipped out into the Northern Line at
platform level. Beyond that would be different passageways. Such an
arrangement was used for the route from Kings Cross Thameslink to the
main station, and at Bank to get to Monument. Also Waterloo East to the
street level exit at Southwark (although I see that's not on the
official map - which is currently struggling badly to portray
interchanges, foe example implying that Circle Line to Thameslink at
Farringdon might be a long walk).

>>Then there's another from the Northern Ticket Hall to the Google
>>complex.
>
>Do you mean the ever-changing polychromatic display corridor under 3
>King's Boulevard (the grid-iron building)? That's
>not very long, and simply duplicates a shorter surface walk along
>King's Boulevard. You only need take it in bad weather
>or if you want a (longer) step-free way down to the ticket hall.
>
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It's a passage off a passage, off a ticket hall reached by long
passages. Whether one counts them separately, or as a total, is crucial
to the metric.
--
Roland Perry

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