<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
..jpeg?imwidth=640>
--
Roland Perry

On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>
> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>
> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>

Thank you.

On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>
>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>
>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>
>>
>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>
>
> Thank you.
>

Nice (??) pikky!

--
Colin

ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>
>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>
>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
> Nice (??) pikky!

A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):

<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>

And one from Storm Dudley:

<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

I was wondering earlier if they have tried using autonomous vehicles for
checking lines for storm damage?

Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>
> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>
> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>
>

<https://fb.watch/bfJr-uqPwO/> for a video.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>
>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>
>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>
>> Nice (??) pikky!
>
> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>
>
> And one from Storm Dudley:
>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>
>
>

<https://twitter.com/simonoking/status/1494657096167702533?s=21>

St Thomas Church, Wells.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>
>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>
>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>
>> Nice (??) pikky!
>
> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>
>
> And one from Storm Dudley:
>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>
>
> Sam
>
The first one looks like a trampoline.

Regarding the landings, I know that pilots train for crosswinds of
various strengths. But at what point does it become dangerous for
aircraft of those sizes to land, thus necessitating diversion to other
airports?

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 20:59:07 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>I was wondering earlier if they have tried using autonomous vehicles for
>checking lines for storm damage?
>
For something that happens once in X years? The Mk1 eyeball at the
front of a self-powered train/UniMog/locomotive is probably the most
practical proposition.

On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>
>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>
>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>
>> Nice (??) pikky!
>
> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>

Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.

If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that planes
would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would they
go to CDG or AMS, for example?

Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
London.

hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>
>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>
>>
>> And one from Storm Dudley:
>>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>
>>
>> Sam
>>
> The first one looks like a trampoline.
>
> Regarding the landings, I know that pilots train for crosswinds of
> various strengths. But at what point does it become dangerous for
> aircraft of those sizes to land, thus necessitating diversion to other
> airports?
>

There are specific maximum allowed cross wind speeds for landings and
take-offs for each aircraft type (around 35-40kt). But wind shear is more
dangerous, and that's harder to predict.

Individual airlines seem to have different policies. For example, in
today's Heathrow videos, BA captains seem to be more risk averse, and abort
more landings than others. I also remember being very frustrated some years
ago when my BA flight to Seattle was cancelled (along with all the other BA
flights from T4), when I could see other airlines continuing to fly. I had
to fly via Vancouver the next day.

hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>
>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>
> Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.
>
> If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that planes
> would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would they
> go to CDG or AMS, for example?
>

I've seen reports today of flights diverted to (IIRC) Geneva and Oslo (and
one had only come from Italy!!).

> Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
> of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
> Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
> London.
>

I've always assumed that if your flight is diverted to another airport,
it's the airline's responsibility to get you to the correct place (even if
in a situation like today that just means waiting until tomorrow). BICBW.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 18/02/2022 21:30, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>
>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>
>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>
>> Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.
>>
>> If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that planes
>> would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would they
>> go to CDG or AMS, for example?
>>
>
> I've seen reports today of flights diverted to (IIRC) Geneva and Oslo (and
> one had only come from Italy!!).
>
>> Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
>> of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
>> Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
>> London.
>>
>
> I've always assumed that if your flight is diverted to another airport,
> it's the airline's responsibility to get you to the correct place (even if
> in a situation like today that just means waiting until tomorrow). BICBW.
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
Does that mean that the airline might have to stump up for a hotel,
assuming that another flight is not available until the following day?

Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 21:26:25 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>>
>>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>>
>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> And one from Storm Dudley:
>>>>
>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>> The first one looks like a trampoline.
>>>
>>> Regarding the landings, I know that pilots train for crosswinds of
>>> various strengths. But at what point does it become dangerous for
>>> aircraft of those sizes to land, thus necessitating diversion to other
>>> airports?
>>>
>>
>> There are specific maximum allowed cross wind speeds for landings and
>> take-offs for each aircraft type (around 35-40kt). But wind shear is more
>> dangerous, and that's harder to predict.
>>
>> Individual airlines seem to have different policies. For example, in
>> today's Heathrow videos, BA captains seem to be more risk averse, and abort
>> more landings than others. I also remember being very frustrated some years
>> ago when my BA flight to Seattle was cancelled (along with all the other BA
>> flights from T4), when I could see other airlines continuing to fly. I had
>> to fly via Vancouver the next day.
>
> I know a couple of ex BA pilots (now retired). I'm not sure I would
> describe either as risk averse but they were (and still are) very
> safety conscious.
>
> It is surprising how many landing accident reports refer to
> "continuing an unstable approach" or "failing to establish a
> stabilised approach" (my interpretation of official language).
>

The AF crash in the South Atlantic, and overshot Toronto landing were both
examples when the equivalent BA flights had diverted (round rather than
through the storm, and to Ottawa, respectively). The AF Concorde crash
wouldn't have happened with a BA Concorde, as BA had devised and fitted a
safety modification to prevent exactly that occurrence, but AF thought it
unnecessary.

On 18/02/2022 21:35, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 21:30, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>> <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>>
>>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>>
>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.
>>>
>>> If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that planes
>>> would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would they
>>> go to CDG or AMS, for example?
>>>
>>
>> I've seen reports today of flights diverted to (IIRC) Geneva and Oslo
>> (and
>> one had only come from Italy!!).
>>
>>> Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
>>> of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
>>> Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
>>> London.
>>>
>>
>> I've always assumed that if your flight is diverted to another airport,
>> it's the airline's responsibility to get you to the correct place
>> (even if
>> in a situation like today that just means waiting until tomorrow). BICBW.
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>
> Does that mean that the airline might have to stump up for a hotel,
> assuming that another flight is not available until the following day?

Yes, has happened to me. Was an EU requirement so maybe up for revision?

--
Colin

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ... The AF Concorde crash
> wouldn't have happened with a BA Concorde, as BA had devised and fitted a
> safety modification to prevent exactly that occurrence, but AF thought it
> unnecessary.
I hadn’t heard that before. What was the modification? There were mods to
all Concordes afterwards which involved fitting extra panelling inside the
fuel tanks, IIRC.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

On 18/02/2022 22:36, ColinR wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 21:35, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 21:30, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>> <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.
>>>>
>>>> If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that
>>>> planes
>>>> would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would
>>>> they
>>>> go to CDG or AMS, for example?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've seen reports today of flights diverted to (IIRC) Geneva and Oslo
>>> (and
>>> one had only come from Italy!!).
>>>
>>>> Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
>>>> of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
>>>> Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
>>>> London.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've always assumed that if your flight is diverted to another airport,
>>> it's the airline's responsibility to get you to the correct place
>>> (even if
>>> in a situation like today that just means waiting until tomorrow).
>>> BICBW.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>
>> Does that mean that the airline might have to stump up for a hotel,
>> assuming that another flight is not available until the following day?
>
> Yes, has happened to me. Was an EU requirement so maybe up for revision?
>
I think that's already happened with the unsurprising comment that the
airlines will be paying out less in total. I wonder if tickets
purchased through EU websites will still be subject to EU regulations?

Here's a picture of Cardiff Queen Street railway station.
https://cardiffjournalism.co.uk/thecardiffian/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2022/02/FL35RlPWYAAOgRx-1024x576.jpeg

And Barry Island railway station:-
blob:https://web.whatsapp.com/450aca20-9f2f-42d0-813e-134f82ea6489

On 18/02/2022 21:57, Graham Harrison wrote:
> I know a couple of ex BA pilots (now retired). I'm not sure I would
> describe either as risk averse but they were (and still are) very
> safety conscious.
>
> It is surprising how many landing accident reports refer to
> "continuing an unstable approach" or "failing to establish a
> stabilised approach" (my interpretation of official language).

One day, one of those aircraft trying to land in stormy conditions is
going to crash.

Regulations will be tightened up then.

One aircraft did not withstand the storm.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/19936197.storm-eunice-man-describes-moment-plane-crash-landed/

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ... The AF Concorde crash
>> wouldn't have happened with a BA Concorde, as BA had devised and fitted a
>> safety modification to prevent exactly that occurrence, but AF thought it
>> unnecessary.
>
> I hadn’t heard that before. What was the modification? There were mods to
> all Concordes afterwards which involved fitting extra panelling inside the
> fuel tanks, IIRC.
>

Exploding tyres weren't unknown with Concorde (very high pressures, high
rotational speed), and the risk of tyre fragments hitting the wing fuel
tanks worried BA so much that it devised and fitted special mud guard type
shields to deflect tyre fragments. It duly provided the info to Airbus, who
offered the mod to AF, which turned it down as it thought Concorde's
excellent Michelin tyres needed no such protection.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ... The AF Concorde crash
>>> wouldn't have happened with a BA Concorde, as BA had devised and fitted a
>>> safety modification to prevent exactly that occurrence, but AF thought it
>>> unnecessary.
>>
>> I hadn’t heard that before. What was the modification? There were mods to
>> all Concordes afterwards which involved fitting extra panelling inside the
>> fuel tanks, IIRC.
>>
>
> Exploding tyres weren't unknown with Concorde (very high pressures, high
> rotational speed), and the risk of tyre fragments hitting the wing fuel
> tanks worried BA so much that it devised and fitted special mud guard type
> shields to deflect tyre fragments. It duly provided the info to Airbus, who
> offered the mod to AF, which turned it down as it thought Concorde's
> excellent Michelin tyres needed no such protection.
>
>

See
<https://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/08/03/crash.concorde.reut/index.html>

On 18/02/2022 22:13, Recliner wrote:
> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 21:26:25 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> And one from Storm Dudley:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>> The first one looks like a trampoline.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the landings, I know that pilots train for crosswinds of
>>>> various strengths. But at what point does it become dangerous for
>>>> aircraft of those sizes to land, thus necessitating diversion to other
>>>> airports?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are specific maximum allowed cross wind speeds for landings and
>>> take-offs for each aircraft type (around 35-40kt). But wind shear is more
>>> dangerous, and that's harder to predict.
>>>
>>> Individual airlines seem to have different policies. For example, in
>>> today's Heathrow videos, BA captains seem to be more risk averse, and abort
>>> more landings than others. I also remember being very frustrated some years
>>> ago when my BA flight to Seattle was cancelled (along with all the other BA
>>> flights from T4), when I could see other airlines continuing to fly. I had
>>> to fly via Vancouver the next day.
>>
>> I know a couple of ex BA pilots (now retired). I'm not sure I would
>> describe either as risk averse but they were (and still are) very
>> safety conscious.
>>
>> It is surprising how many landing accident reports refer to
>> "continuing an unstable approach" or "failing to establish a
>> stabilised approach" (my interpretation of official language).
>>
>
> The AF crash in the South Atlantic, and overshot Toronto landing were both
> examples when the equivalent BA flights had diverted (round rather than
> through the storm, and to Ottawa, respectively). The AF Concorde crash
> wouldn't have happened with a BA Concorde, as BA had devised and fitted a
> safety modification to prevent exactly that occurrence, but AF thought it
> unnecessary.

There was also no communication between the captain and first officer on
the flight deck of that AF flight. Both of them had their hands on the
yoke, AIUI, but neither one told the other.

On 18/02/2022 22:12, Graham Harrison wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 21:30:39 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>>
>>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>>
>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>>
>>> Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.
>>>
>>> If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that planes
>>> would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would they
>>> go to CDG or AMS, for example?
>>>
>>
>> I've seen reports today of flights diverted to (IIRC) Geneva and Oslo (and
>> one had only come from Italy!!).
>>
>>> Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
>>> of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
>>> Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
>>> London.
>>>
>>
>> I've always assumed that if your flight is diverted to another airport,
>> it's the airline's responsibility to get you to the correct place (even if
>> in a situation like today that just means waiting until tomorrow). BICBW.
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
> It depends on the airline. Some are more"humane" than others. However,
> even the most humane can find themselves in impossible situations.
> Think about all the 9/11 aircraft that ended up at Halifax when the US
> closed its' airspace. It was the response of the local populace that
> saved the day. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/66780006948163021/

Same happened in Gander, AIUI.

> Then there are the occasional diversions to inhospitable airports like
> Iqualit and Churchill where a plane undergoing cold weather testing
> with a quite small crew can fill all the available rooms.

VIA Rail Canada's Winnipeg-Churchill train is quite nice, I have heard.

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 22:36, ColinR wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 21:35, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 21:30, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>>> <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of them, unsurprisingly, had to go around.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we note that Eunice has hit most of England, and assuming that
>>>>> planes
>>>>> would have to diverge to other airports, where would they go? Would
>>>>> they
>>>>> go to CDG or AMS, for example?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've seen reports today of flights diverted to (IIRC) Geneva and Oslo
>>>> (and
>>>> one had only come from Italy!!).
>>>>
>>>>> Would carriers also be able to call force majeure, thus relieving them
>>>>> of their obligations to get passengers to their original destinations?
>>>>> Passengers in that case would be responsible for getting themselves to
>>>>> London.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've always assumed that if your flight is diverted to another airport,
>>>> it's the airline's responsibility to get you to the correct place
>>>> (even if
>>>> in a situation like today that just means waiting until tomorrow).
>>>> BICBW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>
>>> Does that mean that the airline might have to stump up for a hotel,
>>> assuming that another flight is not available until the following day?
>>
>> Yes, has happened to me. Was an EU requirement so maybe up for revision?
>>
> I think that's already happened with the unsurprising comment that the
> airlines will be paying out less in total. I wonder if tickets
> purchased through EU websites will still be subject to EU regulations?
>
Simple answer - have proper insurance and a credit card.

On 18/02/2022 21:09, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 19:03, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 17:37, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:45:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .jpeg?imwidth=640>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better if you don't pass the image size parameter to the URL.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/02/18/TELEMMGLPICT000286533265_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcpoWzwBIzlnewd68KzIvqMSLB5l84RipgJaV97BHC8U.jpeg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> or https://tiny.one/burnbabyburn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice (??) pikky!
>>
>> A couple more from the BBC (not sure if all these will work):
>>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/ec5f1fac-0c77-48ca-a3c4-5c8c57ac45d1.jpg>
>>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-60421388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=620fcd45d774c11a4faacf24%26Roof%20blows%20onto%20rail%20line%20in%20Oxfordshire%262022-02-18T17%3A15%3A56.789Z&ns_fee=0>
>>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/2/18/13f970e8-8413-4be9-af1c-9a7023fb30ec.jpg>
>>
>>
>> And one from Storm Dudley:
>>
>> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6DA4/production/_123286082_flvxlorxmaa3wdu.jpg>
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
> The first one looks like a trampoline.
>
> Regarding the landings, I know that pilots train for crosswinds of
> various strengths. But at what point does it become  dangerous for
> aircraft of those sizes to land, thus necessitating diversion to other
> airports?

The crosswind compnnet wouldn't have been too bad, wind direction was
around 240 degrees for a 270 degree runway. It's the gusting and
windshear that really causes the problems. As in everything the big boys
have it easier than the little ones.

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On 18/02/2022 21:13, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 20:59:07 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering earlier if they have tried using autonomous vehicles for
>> checking lines for storm damage?
>>
> For something that happens once in X years? The Mk1 eyeball at the
> front of a self-powered train/UniMog/locomotive is probably the most
> practical proposition.

I suspect drones will probably be used for remoter stretches.

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