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by: Pancho - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 13:34 UTC

My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested as
one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
disconnects in the log.

Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems to
work.

Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
solutions?

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by: GB - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 13:40 UTC

On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested as
> one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
> disconnects in the log.
>
> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems to
> work.
>
> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
> solutions?

Yes, a fan.

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by: GB - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 13:49 UTC

On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
> On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
>> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
>> as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
>> disconnects in the log.
>>
>> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
>> to work.
>>
>> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
>> solutions?
>
> Yes, a fan.

Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.

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by: Pancho - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:05 UTC

On 19/07/2022 14:49, GB wrote:
> On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
>> On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
>>> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
>>> as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
>>> disconnects in the log.
>>>
>>> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
>>> to work.
>>>
>>> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
>>> solutions?
>>
>> Yes, a fan.
>
>
> Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
> problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.
>
>

A fan built in the device itself, sure. Like with PC cases, CPUs,
etc..., but these are passively cooled. I'm not sure an external fan
would make that much difference, I'm not sure if the air flow would get
though the casing.

It's not something I've really experienced before.

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by: Theo - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:35 UTC

GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
> > On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
> >> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
> >> as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
> >> disconnects in the log.
> >>
> >> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
> >> to work.
> >>
> >> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
> >> solutions?
> >
> > Yes, a fan.
>
>
> Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
> problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.

You can get fans designed for hardware cupboards:
https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/closet-fan-systems/airframe-t7-black-av-equipment-closet-and-room-fan-system-17-exhaust/
https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/cabinet-fan-systems/airplate-s2-home-theater-and-av-cabinet-quiet-cooling-blower-system-6-inch/
(sold on Amazon UK)

Theo

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by: GB - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:58 UTC

On 19/07/2022 15:05, Pancho wrote:
> On 19/07/2022 14:49, GB wrote:
>> On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
>>>> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
>>>> as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
>>>> disconnects in the log.
>>>>
>>>> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router,
>>>> seems to work.
>>>>
>>>> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
>>>> solutions?
>>>
>>> Yes, a fan.
>>
>>
>> Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
>> problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.
>>
>>
>
> A fan built in the device itself, sure. Like with PC cases, CPUs,
> etc..., but these are passively cooled. I'm not sure an external fan
> would make that much difference, I'm not sure if the air flow would get
> though the casing.
>
> It's not something I've really experienced before.

Do you remember Amstrad building fans into everything? A decent fan
playing on the surface of the router will have a dramatic effect.
HOPEFULLY! :)

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by: Pancho - Tue, 19 Jul 2022 15:03 UTC

On 19/07/2022 15:35, Theo wrote:
> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>> On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
>>>> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
>>>> as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
>>>> disconnects in the log.
>>>>
>>>> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
>>>> to work.
>>>>
>>>> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
>>>> solutions?
>>>
>>> Yes, a fan.
>>
>>
>> Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
>> problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.
>
> You can get fans designed for hardware cupboards:
> https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/closet-fan-systems/airframe-t7-black-av-equipment-closet-and-room-fan-system-17-exhaust/
> https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/cabinet-fan-systems/airplate-s2-home-theater-and-av-cabinet-quiet-cooling-blower-system-6-inch/
> (sold on Amazon UK)
>
> Theo
>

The hardware is only 35 watts total, 8 low power devices.

The cupboard is big and only gets a degree or two 2 above ambient, with
the door closed.

Surrounding ambient rarely gets as high as 20 C. Today it is 32 C,
inside the cupboard with door open is 33 C.

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by: Andrew - Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:48 UTC

Some people used a carton of cold milk to keep their ZX81 16K ram
packs cool.

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by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:39 UTC

On 20 Jul 2022 at 12:48:53 BST, "Andrew"
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
>> On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
>>> My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
>>> as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
>>> disconnects in the log.
>>>
>>> Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
>>> to work.
>>>
>>> Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
>>> solutions?
>>
>> Yes, a fan.
>
>
> Some people used a carton of cold milk to keep their ZX81 16K ram
> packs cool.

And to stop it wobbling.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo
- H G Wells

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by: Vir Campestris - Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:09 UTC

On 19/07/2022 16:03, Pancho wrote:
>
> Surrounding ambient rarely gets as high as 20 C. Today it is 32 C,
> inside the cupboard with door open is 33 C.

33 shouldn't have caused any problems. What do the device specs say? I'd
expect at least 40!

Andy

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by: Pancho - Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:31 UTC

On 25/07/2022 17:09, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 19/07/2022 16:03, Pancho wrote:
>>
>> Surrounding ambient rarely gets as high as 20 C. Today it is 32 C,
>> inside the cupboard with door open is 33 C.
>
> 33 shouldn't have caused any problems. What do the device specs say? I'd
> expect at least 40!
>
> Andy

<https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/dsl-modem-router/td-w9970/#specifications>

Operating Temperature: 0~40 (32~104)

I'm pretty sure it was well below that when the problem started. An ice
block sorted it, and the problem reoccurred when the ice block melted.

I only use it as a modem, and it was the cheapest I could buy, just a
temporary stopgap before fttp. So I'm not that upset.

<Oryn> anyone know if there is a version of dpkg for redhat?

aus+uk / uk.comp.homebuilt / Hardware cupboard cooling

Subject	Author
Hardware cupboard cooling	Pancho
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	GB
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	GB
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Pancho
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	GB
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Theo
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Pancho
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Vir Campestris
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Pancho
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Andrew
Re: Hardware cupboard cooling	Jaimie Vandenbergh