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Subject: Footway cycling: “We shouldn’t
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Date: 3 Mar 2023 13:42:36 GMT
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 by: Spike - Fri, 3 Mar 2023 13:42 UTC

As a cyclist, one of the things that most offends me about the behaviour of
other cyclists is riding on the pavement. I confess I have, occasionally,
when there are no pedestrians around, crossed a bit of their territory
where that is the safest option on some of London’s tricky traffic spots.
Generally, we shouldn’t do it.

That said, I was horrified by the jail sentence imposed on Auriol Grey, the
pedestrian who shouted at Celia Ward, a 77-year-old cyclist who was riding
on the pavement. On being shouted at, Ward fell into the road, where she
was struck by a car and killed.

Grey has been convicted of manslaughter and jailed for three years, which
seems quite wrong and I hope it will be quashed on appeal. In the
disturbing CCTV footage of the incident, Grey shouts “Get off the f***ing
pavement” and waves at Ward, but I cannot see how she could be held
responsible for the tragic consequence of her actions.

This is a terribly sad case, and I think all the people involved, including
the traumatised driver of the car, have suffered enough. Nothing is to be
gained by sending someone who objected to a cyclist riding on the pavement
to prison.

Presumably, Ward had good reason to be on the pavement, which was not wide
enough to accommodate cyclists and pedestrians comfortably. Looking at the
video, the traffic on the road seems close to the pavement, and you can
easily imagine that a cyclist would not feel safe on the road.

When I say that I am a cyclist, I am a cyclist in London, which is not like
most parts of the country. I gave up cycling many years ago because I felt
it was too dangerous, but the segregated cycle lanes and junction
improvements have transformed the city, making it feel so much safer than
it used to be. I took up cycling again a few years ago, and since the
lockdowns I haven’t looked back – apart from a mishap on the ice just
before Christmas.

So in London, it is easier to disapprove of cyclists on the pavement,
because there is no need for them to be there. Not that they should be
shouted or sworn at, in any case. But in the car-centric wilds of
Cambridgeshire, anyone taking refuge from the tonnes of fast-moving steel
should be regarded sympathetically, provided they are cycling carefully and
sedately, as I assume Ward was.

So Grey was wrong to shout and gesticulate. If the object of her pavement
rage had been a young pizza-delivery rider on an electric bike, eyes fixed
on a smartphone attached to the handlebars, she might have had more
justification. But either way, she shouldn’t go to jail for it.

The real issue here is the design of our road spaces. In too much of the
country, there is no provision for safe cycle routes at all, and in many
other parts, the provision consists of a few narrow cycle lanes painted on
roads that are not quite wide enough to take motor traffic, cycles and
pedestrians – in which case, in my view, it is the motor traffic that ought
to cede the most space.

Instead of sending Grey to jail, Cambridgeshire County Council should spend
the money on building a Ward memorial cycle lane so that cyclists can feel
safe travelling in that part of the country. Instead of sending Grey to
jail, we should be trying to turn the whole country into a kind of London,
so that people can feel safe cycling, and so that pedestrians can feel safe
from cyclists as well as from motor traffic.

<https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/auriol-grey-jailed-shouted-cyclist-pavement-b2292880.html>

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 by: Brian - Fri, 3 Mar 2023 16:58 UTC

Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> As a cyclist, one of the things that most offends me about the behaviour of
> other cyclists is riding on the pavement. I confess I have, occasionally,
> when there are no pedestrians around, crossed a bit of their territory
> where that is the safest option on some of London’s tricky traffic spots.
> Generally, we shouldn’t do it.
>
> That said, I was horrified by the jail sentence imposed on Auriol Grey, the
> pedestrian who shouted at Celia Ward, a 77-year-old cyclist who was riding
> on the pavement. On being shouted at, Ward fell into the road, where she
> was struck by a car and killed.
>
> Grey has been convicted of manslaughter and jailed for three years, which
> seems quite wrong and I hope it will be quashed on appeal. In the
> disturbing CCTV footage of the incident, Grey shouts “Get off the f***ing
> pavement” and waves at Ward, but I cannot see how she could be held
> responsible for the tragic consequence of her actions.
>
> This is a terribly sad case, and I think all the people involved, including
> the traumatised driver of the car, have suffered enough. Nothing is to be
> gained by sending someone who objected to a cyclist riding on the pavement
> to prison.
>
> Presumably, Ward had good reason to be on the pavement, which was not wide
> enough to accommodate cyclists and pedestrians comfortably. Looking at the
> video, the traffic on the road seems close to the pavement, and you can
> easily imagine that a cyclist would not feel safe on the road.
>
> When I say that I am a cyclist, I am a cyclist in London, which is not like
> most parts of the country. I gave up cycling many years ago because I felt
> it was too dangerous, but the segregated cycle lanes and junction
> improvements have transformed the city, making it feel so much safer than
> it used to be. I took up cycling again a few years ago, and since the
> lockdowns I haven’t looked back – apart from a mishap on the ice just
> before Christmas.
>
> So in London, it is easier to disapprove of cyclists on the pavement,
> because there is no need for them to be there. Not that they should be
> shouted or sworn at, in any case. But in the car-centric wilds of
> Cambridgeshire, anyone taking refuge from the tonnes of fast-moving steel
> should be regarded sympathetically, provided they are cycling carefully and
> sedately, as I assume Ward was.
>
> So Grey was wrong to shout and gesticulate. If the object of her pavement
> rage had been a young pizza-delivery rider on an electric bike, eyes fixed
> on a smartphone attached to the handlebars, she might have had more
> justification. But either way, she shouldn’t go to jail for it.
>

She wasn’t wrong. She was afraid of being hit by a cyclist who clearly was
unfamiliar with the HWC and unsafe, she couldn’t control her bike.


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