My TV is being placed on a wall at a point where it is best if nothing is placed beneath it, such as a table or cabinet. So the solution appears to be a soundbar.

However, bot aestheically and for improved stereo, vertical units on either side would be preferred.

We are at the drilling holes in walls and chiseling out channels for trunking stage, so if necessary I want to consider what might be needed ASAP.

Amazon advertise somethng of that nature but with no provenance.

Can anyone recommend an alternative source or devices?

TIA

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On 30/06/2021 15:18, pinnerite wrote:
> My TV is being placed on a wall at a point where it is best if nothing is placed beneath it, such as a table or cabinet. So the solution appears to be a soundbar.
>
> However, bot aestheically and for improved stereo, vertical units on either side would be preferred.
>
> We are at the drilling holes in walls and chiseling out channels for trunking stage, so if necessary I want to consider what might be needed ASAP.
>
> Amazon advertise somethng of that nature but with no provenance.
>
> Can anyone recommend an alternative source or devices?
>
> TIA
>

Do you already have an audio systemw ith speakers in the same room?

You could run ARC over HDMI or analogue audio or Optical/TOSlink/digital
audio to the AV amplifier and then have the audio through the same
speakers as your CD/Cassette/record/Tuner/DAB/FM * currently use?

* delete whichever does not apply to you... :-)

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:24:18 +0100
SH <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote:

> On 30/06/2021 15:18, pinnerite wrote:
> > My TV is being placed on a wall at a point where it is best if nothing is placed beneath it, such as a table or cabinet. So the solution appears to be a soundbar.
> >
> > However, bot aestheically and for improved stereo, vertical units on either side would be preferred.
> >
> > We are at the drilling holes in walls and chiseling out channels for trunking stage, so if necessary I want to consider what might be needed ASAP.
> >
> > Amazon advertise somethng of that nature but with no provenance.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend an alternative source or devices?
> >
> > TIA
> >
>
> Do you already have an audio systemw ith speakers in the same room?
>
> You could run ARC over HDMI or analogue audio or Optical/TOSlink/digital
> audio to the AV amplifier and then have the audio through the same
> speakers as your CD/Cassette/record/Tuner/DAB/FM * currently use?
>
> * delete whichever does not apply to you... :-)

Everything I have is boxed and piled up. We've just moved into a property with elderly wiring etc.

The only place that we could have our hi-fi system is is in a corner on the opposite side of the room. Because our wif-fi modem/router is is at the extreme end of the property built of solid brick, I decided to run CAST5e as well as Coax to every significant room. So the TV on one side of the room will be connected by a Wi-fi hub in the loft to the spot where the hi-fi boxes sit and where our homebrew HTPC will sit.

Even if I could run a cable to the HTPC, the sound would be coming out of the wrong side of the room. No it has to be something adjacent to the TV. :(

Thanks anyway,

Alan
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On 30/06/2021 15:18, pinnerite wrote:
> My TV is being placed on a wall at a point where it is best if nothing is placed beneath it, such as a table or cabinet. So the solution appears to be a soundbar.
>
> However, bot aestheically and for improved stereo, vertical units on either side would be preferred.
>
> We are at the drilling holes in walls and chiseling out channels for trunking stage, so if necessary I want to consider what might be needed ASAP.
>
>

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:48:18 +0100, pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com>
wrote:

>The only place that we could have our hi-fi system is is in a corner on the opposite side of the room. Because our wif-fi modem/router is is at the extreme end of the property built of solid brick, I decided to run CAST5e as well as Coax to every significant room. So the TV on one side of the room will be connected by a Wi-fi hub in the loft to the spot where the hi-fi boxes sit and where our homebrew HTPC will sit.
>
>Even if I could run a cable to the HTPC, the sound would be coming out of the wrong side of the room. No it has to be something adjacent to the TV. :(

Presumably you will have the TV placed where there is seating facing
it, so why couldn't the same seating also face the loudspeakers? To
put it another way, why couldn't the speakers face the seating? If you
already have a good quality sound system *in the same room* you
shouldn't need to buy another one. It seems perverse to me to place
two sound systems at opposite sides of the same room, so that you
couldn't sensibly use both of them at the same time. Maybe your
situation requires nothing more than a rethink and a rearrangement of
what you already have.

Rod.

I started using ARC about a month ago. I don't bother when doing something like watching the news but always turn it on for sport, films etc.

Yes, I have my AV kit so it is right for our normal easy chairs - the same as we use for tv viewing.

I have a small speaker under the tv to take the Front channel. This is essential as often the dialogue is barely hearable on the Right and Left channels. This is the most common source of complaint when people say they cannot follow modern tv series and films - too much noise right and left and not enough talking.

I also have my sub woofer operated by the AV and this is brilliant for films with dramatic sound.

I got the impression you felt your AV speakers were in the wrong place for the TV. Might it be better to rethink that set up rather than chasing channels in walls and buying more speakers?

Yes that is what I have done via optical interface thingy, warning do not
power this from usb on tv, it puts whine on the supply, use a wall wart
instead.
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"SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On 30/06/2021 15:18, pinnerite wrote:
>> My TV is being placed on a wall at a point where it is best if nothing is
>> placed beneath it, such as a table or cabinet. So the solution appears to
>> be a soundbar.
>>
>> However, bot aestheically and for improved stereo, vertical units on
>> either side would be preferred.
>>
>> We are at the drilling holes in walls and chiseling out channels for
>> trunking stage, so if necessary I want to consider what might be needed
>> ASAP.
>>
>> Amazon advertise somethng of that nature but with no provenance.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend an alternative source or devices?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>
> Do you already have an audio systemw ith speakers in the same room?
>
> You could run ARC over HDMI or analogue audio or Optical/TOSlink/digital
> audio to the AV amplifier and then have the audio through the same
> speakers as your CD/Cassette/record/Tuner/DAB/FM * currently use?
>
> * delete whichever does not apply to you... :-)

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 01:16:33 -0700 (PDT)
TonyGamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:

> I started using ARC about a month ago. I don't bother when doing something like watching the news but always turn it on for sport, films etc.
>
> Yes, I have my AV kit so it is right for our normal easy chairs - the same as we use for tv viewing.
>
> I have a small speaker under the tv to take the Front channel. This is essential as often the dialogue is barely hearable on the Right and Left channels. This is the most common source of complaint when people say they cannot follow modern tv series and films - too much noise right and left and not enough talking.
>
> I also have my sub woofer operated by the AV and this is brilliant for films with dramatic sound.
>
> I got the impression you felt your AV speakers were in the wrong place for the TV. Might it be better to rethink that set up rather than chasing channels in walls and buying more speakers?
>

I will try to describe the room.

Sitting in chairs facing the TV, there is a radiator behind you. To its right in the same plane is a door (to the garage). To its right is the rear wall in which arefull width windows and a uPVC double door.

To your left is a wall at the extreme end of which are double doors facing the pair mentioned in the paragraph above.

The TV will hang on the opposite wall half way between the double doors and a single door to the kitchen.

So the area immediately in front of the TV is a walkway for anyone entering from the left and walking either to the kitchen entrance or furter on to the uPVC doors that lead into a conservatory.

Anything beneath the TV will just get in the way. That leaves the wall on the left.
It varies in depth.There is a wide section adjacent to the rear wall less than a metre wide then it thins until reaching the double doors on the left.

The only practical place to put the HTPC and or not the Hi-fi system is that corner.
So if you want quality sound in your left ear while watching a TV in front of you, a brilliant choice!

I think I would like the HTPC there with the hi-fi system in another room. We contemplate knocking down the dodgy garage and replacing it with an extension but frankly I have no idea if we will be able to afford it.

I have been led to believe that I can stream to the smart TV using a FireStick and a light version of MythTV. I will face that problem later.

Alan

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On 01/07/2021 15:40, pinnerite wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 01:16:33 -0700 (PDT)
> TonyGamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>> I started using ARC about a month ago. I don't bother when doing something like watching the news but always turn it on for sport, films etc.
>>
>> Yes, I have my AV kit so it is right for our normal easy chairs - the same as we use for tv viewing.
>>
>> I have a small speaker under the tv to take the Front channel. This is essential as often the dialogue is barely hearable on the Right and Left channels. This is the most common source of complaint when people say they cannot follow modern tv series and films - too much noise right and left and not enough talking.
>>
>> I also have my sub woofer operated by the AV and this is brilliant for films with dramatic sound.
>>
>> I got the impression you felt your AV speakers were in the wrong place for the TV. Might it be better to rethink that set up rather than chasing channels in walls and buying more speakers?
>>
>
> I will try to describe the room.
>
> Sitting in chairs facing the TV, there is a radiator behind you. To its right in the same plane is a door (to the garage). To its right is the rear wall in which arefull width windows and a uPVC double door.
>
> To your left is a wall at the extreme end of which are double doors facing the pair mentioned in the paragraph above.
>
> The TV will hang on the opposite wall half way between the double doors and a single door to the kitchen.
>
> So the area immediately in front of the TV is a walkway for anyone entering from the left and walking either to the kitchen entrance or furter on to the uPVC doors that lead into a conservatory.
>
> Anything beneath the TV will just get in the way. That leaves the wall on the left.
> It varies in depth.There is a wide section adjacent to the rear wall less than a metre wide then it thins until reaching the double doors on the left.
>
> The only practical place to put the HTPC and or not the Hi-fi system is that corner.
> So if you want quality sound in your left ear while watching a TV in front of you, a brilliant choice!
>
> I think I would like the HTPC there with the hi-fi system in another room. We contemplate knocking down the dodgy garage and replacing it with an extension but frankly I have no idea if we will be able to afford it.
>
> I have been led to believe that I can stream to the smart TV using a FireStick and a light version of MythTV. I will face that problem later.
>
> Alan
>

can you not fix some wall speakers at ceiling hieght on the same wall as
the TV and run speaker cable back along with the TV audio all the way
back to your AV amp?

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:04:58 +0100
SH <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote:

> On 01/07/2021 15:40, pinnerite wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 01:16:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > TonyGamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I started using ARC about a month ago. I don't bother when doing something like watching the news but always turn it on for sport, films etc.
> >>
> >> Yes, I have my AV kit so it is right for our normal easy chairs - the same as we use for tv viewing.
> >>
> >> I have a small speaker under the tv to take the Front channel. This is essential as often the dialogue is barely hearable on the Right and Left channels. This is the most common source of complaint when people say they cannot follow modern tv series and films - too much noise right and left and not enough talking.
> >>
> >> I also have my sub woofer operated by the AV and this is brilliant for films with dramatic sound.
> >>
> >> I got the impression you felt your AV speakers were in the wrong place for the TV. Might it be better to rethink that set up rather than chasing channels in walls and buying more speakers?
> >>
> >
> > I will try to describe the room.
> >
> > Sitting in chairs facing the TV, there is a radiator behind you. To its right in the same plane is a door (to the garage). To its right is the rear wall in which arefull width windows and a uPVC double door.
> >
> > To your left is a wall at the extreme end of which are double doors facing the pair mentioned in the paragraph above.
> >
> > The TV will hang on the opposite wall half way between the double doors and a single door to the kitchen.
> >
> > So the area immediately in front of the TV is a walkway for anyone entering from the left and walking either to the kitchen entrance or furter on to the uPVC doors that lead into a conservatory.
> >
> > Anything beneath the TV will just get in the way. That leaves the wall on the left.
> > It varies in depth.There is a wide section adjacent to the rear wall less than a metre wide then it thins until reaching the double doors on the left.
> >
> > The only practical place to put the HTPC and or not the Hi-fi system is that corner.
> > So if you want quality sound in your left ear while watching a TV in front of you, a brilliant choice!
> >
> > I think I would like the HTPC there with the hi-fi system in another room. We contemplate knocking down the dodgy garage and replacing it with an extension but frankly I have no idea if we will be able to afford it.
> >
> > I have been led to believe that I can stream to the smart TV using a FireStick and a light version of MythTV. I will face that problem later.
> >
> > Alan
> >
>
> can you not fix some wall speakers at ceiling hieght on the same wall as
> the TV and run speaker cable back along with the TV audio all the way
> back to your AV amp?

I could. It would need thick copper cored cable and indeed I have some.
But aesthically it would look awful.

Some years ago my first flat screen TV had detachable panasonic speakers on both sides. They were very good. I wish that I had kept them.

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On 01/07/2021 21:33, pinnerite wrote:
> I could. It would need thick copper cored cable and indeed I have some.
> But aesthically it would look awful.

How long a run is it? Or what power are you feeding to your speakers.
I have never seen thick copper wire used for loudspeakers.

In article <sbla38$520$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 01/07/2021 21:33, pinnerite wrote:
> > I could. It would need thick copper cored cable and indeed I have some.
> > But aesthically it would look awful.

> How long a run is it? Or what power are you feeding to your speakers.
> I have never seen thick copper wire used for loudspeakers.

but oxygen-free directional-electron cable is essential

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On 02/07/2021 10:06, charles wrote:
> but oxygen-free directional-electron cable is essential

Gold or platinum cable surely?

I am sure if you told a "HiFi" nut that something had 0.00001
improvement in distortion for only a few tens of thousands of pounds
then they would buy it.

It's like Clarkson "reviewing" cars and just talking zero to speed of
light figures.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 10:13:08 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 02/07/2021 10:06, charles wrote:
>> but oxygen-free directional-electron cable is essential
>
>Gold or platinum cable surely?
>
>I am sure if you told a "HiFi" nut that something had 0.00001
>improvement in distortion for only a few tens of thousands of pounds
>then they would buy it.

Something these nutters forget is that the room they're in and the physical
source material makes far more difference to the sound than any audiofool
bollocks like that. The irony is a lot of them think vinyl is Gods own format
which shows just how technically illterate they are.

In article <sbla38$520$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 01/07/2021 21:33, pinnerite wrote:
> > I could. It would need thick copper cored cable and indeed I have
> > some. But aesthically it would look awful.

> How long a run is it? Or what power are you feeding to your speakers.
> I have never seen thick copper wire used for loudspeakers.

It's reasonably common with good Hi-Fi systems. Alas, it does tend to often
also be daftly over-priced for 'bling' reasons.

However you can also get 4-wire and more-wire 'flat' cables which are meant
to hide under carpet, etc, in reasonable sizes. They can look OK or even be
a 'feature' for some installs, or put in-wall, or under a pretty cover.

The main challege is to avoid daft prices!

Jim

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In article <20210701213308.bc1b8e2f937d236cd22c12b2@gmail.com>,
pinnerite
<pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
> > can you not fix some wall speakers at ceiling hieght on the same wall
> > as the TV and run speaker cable back along with the TV audio all the
> > way back to your AV amp?

> I could. It would need thick copper cored cable and indeed I have some.
> But aesthically it would look awful.

> Some years ago my first flat screen TV had detachable panasonic speakers
> on both sides. They were very good. I wish that I had kept them.

Active speakers?

Use flat multiwire cables?

Jim

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On 02/07/2021 10:31, MrSpud_7pzl8z8xf@ev0xgp_q2d.tv wrote:
> Something these nutters forget is that the room they're in and the physical
> source material makes far more difference to the sound than any audiofool
> bollocks like that. The irony is a lot of them think vinyl is Gods own format
> which shows just how technically illterate they are.

I am surprised that no one has persuaded that they need to do the job
properly and have copper busbars.

A HiFi nut and his wallet are easily parted. :-)

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 12:59:38 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 02/07/2021 10:31, MrSpud_7pzl8z8xf@ev0xgp_q2d.tv wrote:
>> Something these nutters forget is that the room they're in and the physical
>> source material makes far more difference to the sound than any audiofool
>> bollocks like that. The irony is a lot of them think vinyl is Gods own format
>
>> which shows just how technically illterate they are.
>
>I am surprised that no one has persuaded that they need to do the job
>properly and have copper busbars.
>
>A HiFi nut and his wallet are easily parted. :-)

Oh yes. And there must be plenty of them given the number of high end
overpriced voodoo rubbish being reviewed in various hifi mags every month.

In article <sbmmdq$3lr$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
<MrSpud_7pzl8z8xf@ev0xgp_q2d.tv>
wrote:

> Something these nutters forget is that the room they're in and the
> physical source material makes far more difference to the sound than any
> audiofool bollocks like that. The irony is a lot of them think vinyl is
> Gods own format which shows just how technically illterate they are.

I've come to assume that the reality is that some/many simply like the
changes than LP cutting and replay make to the audio signals. But then
often aren't willing to accept this is essentially an 'effect' due to
factors like distortion or some level compression added to make the audio
more amenable for the limits of LP cutting, etc.

I suspect a parallel in the area of 'high rez' where some feel the sample
rate has to cover up to *well* above 20kHz. The result might be in some
cases that the added HF far above 20kHz is - in itself - inaudible. But
leads to intermodulation effects later in the signal path that add in
audible changes which some 'like'. OTOH maybe it's just "my ears are better
than yours' gamemanship...

Various domestic speakers have distinct resonances above 20kHz, often with
high nonlinearlty. For a while now HFN has extended its plots for speaker
response up to 60kHz and show these resonances. One recent example peaked
at about +20dB (!) compared with the general level below 20kHz. Tweeter
breakup.

Jim

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On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 11:59:46 +0100
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <sbmmdq$3lr$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
><MrSpud_7pzl8z8xf@ev0xgp_q2d.tv>
>wrote:
>> Something these nutters forget is that the room they're in and the
>> physical source material makes far more difference to the sound than any
>> audiofool bollocks like that. The irony is a lot of them think vinyl is
>> Gods own format which shows just how technically illterate they are.
>
>I've come to assume that the reality is that some/many simply like the
>changes than LP cutting and replay make to the audio signals. But then

I suspect a lot simply like the ritual of putting on an LP , in a similar way
that some like that of making and pouring green tea, an utterly vile brew
that seems to have its own mythology around it just like LPs.

>often aren't willing to accept this is essentially an 'effect' due to
>factors like distortion or some level compression added to make the audio

Some? A boatload for some types of bass heavy music.

>cases that the added HF far above 20kHz is - in itself - inaudible. But
>leads to intermodulation effects later in the signal path that add in
>audible changes which some 'like'.

Probably inaudible to anyone who hasn't been told to listen out for them.

>OTOH maybe it's just "my ears are better than yours' gamemanship...

Almost certainly that too.

>Various domestic speakers have distinct resonances above 20kHz, often with
>high nonlinearlty. For a while now HFN has extended its plots for speaker
>response up to 60kHz and show these resonances. One recent example peaked
>at about +20dB (!) compared with the general level below 20kHz. Tweeter
>breakup.

I suspect it has about as much effect on the audible signal as a load of bats
sonaring nearby would.

In article <5945afcd6enoise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <sbmmdq$3lr$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> <MrSpud_7pzl8z8xf@ev0xgp_q2d.tv>
> wrote:

> > Something these nutters forget is that the room they're in and
> > the physical source material makes far more difference to the
> > sound than any audiofool bollocks like that. The irony is a lot
> > of them think vinyl is Gods own format which shows just how
> > technically illterate they are.

> I've come to assume that the reality is that some/many simply like
> the changes than LP cutting and replay make to the audio signals.
> But then often aren't willing to accept this is essentially an
> 'effect' due to factors like distortion or some level compression
> added to make the audio more amenable for the limits of LP cutting,
> etc.

Why does this debate have to come down to name calling and very
negative views about other people.

For me it's simple, some people like the whole LP thing. For whatever
reason they like vinyl and all its oddities. Some say they actually
prefer the sound of vinyl to digital and I don't even have a problem
with that. It's only at the point where they claim vinyl is actually
better where I raise an eyebrow.

I will admit I'm not happy with lossy compressed formats mp3 and m4a
when it comes to building a library but I assume the people who do
are just not interested in quality - no problem. Having said that,
these compressed file types are good for "on the move" listening.
For me flac is the only sensible way to fly if you're interested.

> I suspect a parallel in the area of 'high rez' where some feel the
> sample rate has to cover up to *well* above 20kHz. The result might
> be in some cases that the added HF far above 20kHz is - in itself -
> inaudible. But leads to intermodulation effects later in the signal
> path that add in audible changes which some 'like'. OTOH maybe it's
> just "my ears are better than yours' gamemanship...

I have a few high rez flac recordings and in most cases I cannot tell
the difference between 16/44.1k recording and higher rez but there
have been cases where I can. On a couple of these recordings I made
16/44.k1k down conversions from the 24/192K and found they sounded
better than the official release and indistinguishable from the
high-rez. I'm assuming at the moment that the recordings where I can
hear differences are due to what happened in the production not the
sample rate or bit rate. I may get proved wrong on that, I sort of
hope I do. :-)

Bob.

Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> For me it's simple, some people like the whole LP thing. For whatever
> reason they like vinyl and all its oddities. Some say they actually
> prefer the sound of vinyl to digital and I don't even have a problem
> with that. It's only at the point where they claim vinyl is actually
> better where I raise an eyebrow.
>
However, can they actually tell the difference in a double blind test?

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In article <9u64rh-qp321.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>,
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > For me it's simple, some people like the whole LP thing. For
> > whatever reason they like vinyl and all its oddities. Some say
> > they actually prefer the sound of vinyl to digital and I don't
> > even have a problem with that. It's only at the point where they
> > claim vinyl is actually better where I raise an eyebrow.
> >
> However, can they actually tell the difference in a double blind
> test?

I couldn't possibly say what they can hear. :-)

Bob.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:14:05 +0000 (UTC), MrSpud_K7dbw0v@ro7.gov.uk
wrote:

>>I've come to assume that the reality is that some/many simply like the
>>changes than LP cutting and replay make to the audio signals. But then
>
>I suspect a lot simply like the ritual of putting on an LP , in a similar way
>that some like that of making and pouring green tea, an utterly vile brew
>that seems to have its own mythology around it just like LPs.

I wonder what percentage of the people with this nostalgic view are
old enough to remember having to go through the complicated rigmarole
of playing gramophone records because there was no choice?

Rod.

On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 20:02:41 +0100, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

>For me it's simple, some people like the whole LP thing. For whatever
>reason they like vinyl and all its oddities. Some say they actually
>prefer the sound of vinyl to digital and I don't even have a problem
>with that. It's only at the point where they claim vinyl is actually
>better where I raise an eyebrow.

At this level of consideration, it may be necessary to agree on a
definition of "better" before any further discussion takes place.

My understanding would be that "better" means a more accurate,
rendition of some original sound (assuming there *was* an original
sound that wasn't created electronically), however it seems clear that
some would assume it meant "better able to please the listener", which
of course depends on the listener, which the person arguing will
generally assume to mean themselves. It's not just the records that go
round and round.

Rod.