I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
distribution board.

Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
without having to wire each individual socket?

Many thanks.

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Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote

> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my
> home entertainment system, all low current stuff but
> hard to keep things tidy with a trailing distribution board.
> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this
> many sockets without having to wire each individual socket?

Yeah there are some systems that allow snap in sockets into
a sort of trunk with continuous conductor rails inside.

You can have as many sockets as you like and whatever
space between individual sockets you want for the more
awkward plug packs or plugs.

Not cheap tho.

Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
> distribution board.
>
> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
> without having to wire each individual socket?

You can get rack PDUs for up to 20 sockets:
https://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/2721-uk-socket-rack-pdus

but they aren't flush mounted, they're expecting to be screwed to a rack. I
suppose you could recess them.

You can also get busbar trunking systems, but again not flush:
https://www.mkelectric.com/Documents/English/EN%20MK%20Catalogue/Powerlink%20Plus.pdf

Theo

On 26/10/2021 in message <aPf*C2Hxy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:

>Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
>>system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
>>distribution board.
>>
>>Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>>without having to wire each individual socket?
>
>You can get rack PDUs for up to 20 sockets:
>https://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/2721-uk-socket-rack-pdus
>
>but they aren't flush mounted, they're expecting to be screwed to a rack.
>I
>suppose you could recess them.
>
>You can also get busbar trunking systems, but again not flush:
>https://www.mkelectric.com/Documents/English/EN%20MK%20Catalogue/Powerlink%20Plus.pdf
>
>Theo

Many thanks Rod & Theo :-)

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In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
> distribution board.

> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
> without having to wire each individual socket?

> Many thanks.

Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
building work needed for flush fitting?

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On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
>> distribution board.
>
>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>
>> Many thanks.
>
> Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
> building work needed for flush fitting?
>

I'd assumed "wiring" included getting 5 x 2-gang back boxes and sockets
evenly spaced and aligned, something I'd not find easy (especially with
crumbling walls).

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On 27/10/2021 13:33, Robin wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
>>     Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home
>>> entertainment
>>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a
>>> trailing
>>> distribution board.
>>
>>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
>> building work needed for flush fitting?
>>
>
> I'd assumed "wiring" included getting 5 x 2-gang back boxes and sockets
> evenly spaced and aligned, something I'd not find easy (especially with
> crumbling walls).

One option is to hack out required area of plaster for the whole
assembly - don't worry about the individual outlines. Then join up the
metal back boxes with conduit bushes and couplers - that will set the
spacial relationship of them all neatly and precisely. Now fix them to
the wall as a block, then finally plaster in the gaps.

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On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
>> distribution board.
>
>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>
>> Many thanks.

Apologies for posting in the wrong place, but I can't see the original
post...

I tend to fined it easier to mount a trailing multiway socket onto/near
the equipment rack, then connect all the mains leads locally, with
excess flex neatly bundled, then just have the single mains flex run off
to the socket.

(it also scales better when you need 40+ sockets rather than 10!)

--
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John.

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On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:30:00 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <xn0n4loi9...@news.individual.net>,
> > Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
> >> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
> >> distribution board.
> >
> >> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
> >> without having to wire each individual socket?
> >
> >> Many thanks.
> Apologies for posting in the wrong place, but I can't see the original
> post...
>
> I tend to fined it easier to mount a trailing multiway socket onto/near
> the equipment rack, then connect all the mains leads locally, with
> excess flex neatly bundled, then just have the single mains flex run off
> to the socket.
>
> (it also scales better when you need 40+ sockets rather than 10!)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John.
>
> /=================================================================\
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> |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
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If you are concerned about spacing back boxes neatly, then there combinations of 35mm and 47mm deep boxes that are mounted on a plate see below;

https://www.mkelectric.com/Documents/English/EN%20MK%20Catalogue/Boxes.pdf

I suspect you will have to order these through an electricians supplier. As for the wiring up the new MK sockets with the Wago type terminals would be a doddle.

Richard

In article <d4ad14b8-bdd5-ef31-eedc-12ece5264db3@outlook.com>,
Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
> > Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
> >> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
> >> distribution board.
> >
> >> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
> >> without having to wire each individual socket?
> >
> >> Many thanks.
> >
> > Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
> > building work needed for flush fitting?
> >

> I'd assumed "wiring" included getting 5 x 2-gang back boxes and sockets
> evenly spaced and aligned, something I'd not find easy (especially with
> crumbling walls).

TLC do double twin gang boxes - and also spacers for ganging boxes
together. If you want more than two 2gang touching.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article <xc6dnb1C3MXJyeT8nZ2dnUU78SHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> Apologies for posting in the wrong place, but I can't see the original
> post...

> I tend to fined it easier to mount a trailing multiway socket onto/near
> the equipment rack, then connect all the mains leads locally, with
> excess flex neatly bundled, then just have the single mains flex run off
> to the socket.

I cut odd all my 13 amp plugs and replaced with IEC. They take up a lot
less room - and are adequate for pretty well all AV equipment.

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On 27/10/2021 13:33, Robin wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
>>     Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home
>>> entertainment
>>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a
>>> trailing
>>> distribution board.
>>
>>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
>> building work needed for flush fitting?
>>
>
> I'd assumed "wiring" included getting 5 x 2-gang back boxes and sockets
> evenly spaced and aligned, something I'd not find easy (especially with
> crumbling walls).
>
Connect the back boxes together before fixing

Example idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ7TuuDRInA

Then consider it as one backbox.

I've done this with three 2 gang back boxes using glued wooden spacers
on the bottom half of the box - the top knockouts grommeted with a bit
of conduit over the wires before plastering the gaps.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <xc6dnb1C3MXJyeT8nZ2dnUU78SHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
> John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> > Apologies for posting in the wrong place, but I can't see the original
> > post...
>
> > I tend to fined it easier to mount a trailing multiway socket onto/near
> > the equipment rack, then connect all the mains leads locally, with
> > excess flex neatly bundled, then just have the single mains flex run off
> > to the socket.
>
> I cut odd all my 13 amp plugs and replaced with IEC. They take up a lot
> less room - and are adequate for pretty well all AV equipment.
>
I did that a few years ago - and then undid it all back to standard
BS1363 sockets. Using IEC sockets means that you can't easily plug
other things in temporarily and/or you can't take items of your IEC
plugged equipment elsewhere. Yes, I know there are ways around both
of these but I just found it was easier in the end not to bother with
IEC sockets.

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·

On 27/10/2021 16:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <d4ad14b8-bdd5-ef31-eedc-12ece5264db3@outlook.com>,
> Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
>>> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
>>>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
>>>> distribution board.
>>>
>>>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>>>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
>>> building work needed for flush fitting?
>>>
>
>> I'd assumed "wiring" included getting 5 x 2-gang back boxes and sockets
>> evenly spaced and aligned, something I'd not find easy (especially with
>> crumbling walls).
>
> TLC do double twin gang boxes - and also spacers for ganging boxes
> together. If you want more than two 2gang touching.
>

Can you point me to them as I can't find them on their site?

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On 26/10/2021 21:58, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home
> entertainment system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy
> with a trailing distribution board.
>
> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
> without having to wire each individual socket?
>
> Many thanks.

I can't help with 10, but MK does modular faceplates (2 x 3-gang) that
will actually take two rows of four sockets. They also do paired, 3-gang
back boxes to match.

Alternatively, they do 2 x 2, 2-gang back boxes, that will take 4
normal, 2-gang sockets and paired 2-gang back boxes. So you would only
have to line up two "back boxes" to position six 2-gang sockets.

On 27/10/2021 16:39, Tricky Dicky wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:30:00 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <xn0n4loi9...@news.individual.net>,
>>> Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
>>>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
>>>> distribution board.
>>>
>>>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>>>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>> Apologies for posting in the wrong place, but I can't see the original
>> post...
>>
>> I tend to fined it easier to mount a trailing multiway socket onto/near
>> the equipment rack, then connect all the mains leads locally, with
>> excess flex neatly bundled, then just have the single mains flex run off
>> to the socket.
>>
>> (it also scales better when you need 40+ sockets rather than 10!)
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John.
>>
>> /=================================================================\
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>
> If you are concerned about spacing back boxes neatly, then there combinations of 35mm and 47mm deep boxes that are mounted on a plate see below;
>

Thanks. I'd never seen/noticed the 4 x 2G plates

>
> I suspect you will have to order these through an electricians supplier. As for the wiring up the new MK sockets with the Wago type terminals would be a doddle.
>

I don't consider myself time poor/money rich enough to pay £30 for 5
double sockets to save a few minutes.

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On Wednesday, 27 October 2021 at 17:52:13 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
> > TLC do double twin gang boxes - and also spacers for ganging boxes
> > together. If you want more than two 2gang touching.
> Can you point me to them as I can't find them on their site?

Spacer is https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AP604.html

Can't see double-twin boxes; double + single are

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AP540.html

4 x double are here but states suitable for the multi-format plate only

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/BGHGS07slashC4.html

Significantly cheaper if Screwfix have it in stock
https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-2-gang-surface-pattress-mounting-box-47mm/2034F

"Unfortunately after having this plastered into my new extension I find that it is impossible to have two double outlets be it power or modular plates for network/aerial outlets attached (all bought from Screwfix) because 1 plate completely fills the lateral space between the two outlets."

This is an alternative which may take 2 x standard doubles

https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-2-gang-surface-pattress-mounting-box-47mm/5072f

I don't see them being much easier than a row of back boxes joined by conduit/couplers and flushed into the wall and they do involve a lot of damage to the brickwork.

Owain

On 27/10/2021 19:48, Owain Lastname wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27 October 2021 at 17:52:13 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
>>> TLC do double twin gang boxes - and also spacers for ganging boxes
>>> together. If you want more than two 2gang touching.
>> Can you point me to them as I can't find them on their site?
>
> Spacer is https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AP604.html
>
> Can't see double-twin boxes; double + single are
>
> https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AP540.html
>
> 4 x double are here but states suitable for the multi-format plate only
>
> https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/BGHGS07slashC4.html

> Significantly cheaper if Screwfix have it in stock
> https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-2-gang-surface-pattress-mounting-box-47mm/2034F
>
> "Unfortunately after having this plastered into my new extension I find that it is impossible to have two double outlets be it power or modular plates for network/aerial outlets attached (all bought from Screwfix) because 1 plate completely fills the lateral space between the two outlets."
>
> This is an alternative which may take 2 x standard doubles
>
> https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-2-gang-surface-pattress-mounting-box-47mm/5072f
>
> I don't see them being much easier than a row of back boxes joined by conduit/couplers and flushed into the wall and they do involve a lot of damage to the brickwork.
>

Thanks. A very different animal from the MK 2 x 2 plate Richard posted.

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On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 4:49:59 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <d4ad14b8-bdd5-ef31...@outlook.com>,
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> > On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > In article <xn0n4loi9...@news.individual.net>,
> > > Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home entertainment
> > >> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a trailing
> > >> distribution board.
> > >
> > >> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
> > >> without having to wire each individual socket?
> > >
> > >> Many thanks.
> > >
> > > Surely the amount of work needed to wire them is tiny compared to the
> > > building work needed for flush fitting?
> > >
>
> > I'd assumed "wiring" included getting 5 x 2-gang back boxes and sockets
> > evenly spaced and aligned, something I'd not find easy (especially with
> > crumbling walls).
> TLC do double twin gang boxes - and also spacers for ganging boxes
> together. If you want more than two 2gang touching.
>
> --
> *El nino made me do it
> Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
> To e-mail, change noise into sound.

From experience the problem with those spacers is that they can only be linked by the fixed lugs so the maximum that can be linked if using back boxes with adjustable lugs is just two boxes.

Richard

On 27/10/2021 14:29, John Rumm wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 13:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <xn0n4loi9jc1ux800w@news.individual.net>,
>>     Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I need around 10 x 13 Amp sockets for all the kit in my home
>>> entertainment
>>> system, all low current stuff but hard to keep things tidy with a
>>> trailing
>>> distribution board.
>>
>>> Is there anything that allows easy flush mounting of this many sockets
>>> without having to wire each individual socket?
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>
> Apologies for posting in the wrong place, but I can't see the original
> post...
>
> I tend to fined it easier to mount a trailing multiway socket onto/near
> the equipment rack, then connect all the mains leads locally, with
> excess flex neatly bundled, then just have the single mains flex run off
> to the socket.
>
> (it also scales better when you need 40+ sockets rather than 10!)
>
>
My computer desk is (sort of) done that way. The other thing you can do
if you really need wall mounted sockets is to fix a multi-way socket
into the wall, discarding the lead and wiring it up to the cable. For a
stud wall, you can set them more or less flush, with a little ingenuity.
Or surface mount them under a small shelf, if appropriate.

On 27/10/2021 19:48, Owain Lastname wrote:

> Significantly cheaper if Screwfix have it in stock

Often the problem with having one socket above another is when the
equipment has a wall wart which is longer than a standard 13A plug.

Also a consideration when positioning the fitting of flush sockets - not
to close above a skirting board. I'm currently helping friends move
between rented properties and the positioning of some of the electrics
seems a bit weird: some sockets at head height, light switches at
different heights etc.

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alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 19:48, Owain Lastname wrote:
>
> > Significantly cheaper if Screwfix have it in stock
>
> Often the problem with having one socket above another is when the
> equipment has a wall wart which is longer than a standard 13A plug.
>
> Also a consideration when positioning the fitting of flush sockets - not
> to close above a skirting board. I'm currently helping friends move
> between rented properties and the positioning of some of the electrics
> seems a bit weird: some sockets at head height, light switches at
> different heights etc.
>
Yes, I'm surprised at how difficult (near impossible) it is to find
vertical multiway sockets with the sockets angled, it makes much more
sense than all the sockets being vertical so the wire hangs down over
the one below.

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·

Chris Green wrote:

> I'm surprised at how difficult (near impossible) it is to find vertical
> multiway sockets with the sockets angled, it makes much more sense than all
> the sockets being vertical so the wire hangs down over the one below.

Hospitals use staggered sockets to avoid that, e.g.

<https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/4824165>

On 28/10/2021 12:23, Chris Green wrote:
> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 19:48, Owain Lastname wrote:
>>
>>> Significantly cheaper if Screwfix have it in stock
>>
>> Often the problem with having one socket above another is when the
>> equipment has a wall wart which is longer than a standard 13A plug.
>>
>> Also a consideration when positioning the fitting of flush sockets - not
>> to close above a skirting board. I'm currently helping friends move
>> between rented properties and the positioning of some of the electrics
>> seems a bit weird: some sockets at head height, light switches at
>> different heights etc.
>>
> Yes, I'm surprised at how difficult (near impossible) it is to find
> vertical multiway sockets with the sockets angled, it makes much more
> sense than all the sockets being vertical so the wire hangs down over
> the one below.
>

Don't laugh ...

https://www.chums.co.uk/Products/AK504/roto-socket-adaptor?SKU=AK504MULONE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5eb4lYPt8wIV5oBQBh3ecg9ZEAQYBCABEgJQPfD_BwE

On 28/10/2021 in message <itvg9uFdmtbU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

>
>Chris Green wrote:
>
>>I'm surprised at how difficult (near impossible) it is to find vertical
>>multiway sockets with the sockets angled, it makes much more sense than
>>all
>>the sockets being vertical so the wire hangs down over the one below.
>
>Hospitals use staggered sockets to avoid that, e.g.
>
><https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/4824165>

That might suit me except it says the sockets are switched and as far as I
can see they aren't and the price, no wonder the NHS is so expensive!

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life.
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