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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 14:45 UTC

It follows the death of a cyclist in his 30s on Norwich outer ring road at Earlham on Monday after his bike collided with a white VW Golf.
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The drivers in both incidents, both men aged in their 20s, have been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

The deaths come almost exactly a year since changes to the Highway Code gave cyclists priority over drivers at junctions and increased the minimum distance for overtaking motorists.

Norfolk’s roads have seen 15 cyclists killed in the last 10 years with almost 500 seriously injured.

“Death and injury on our roads is not inevitable and these tragic incidents remind us that we have a long way to go until our roads are safe and welcoming to all users,” said Liam Calvert, of Living Streets Norwich.

“There have been hundreds of collisions resulting in serious injury and death in and around Norwich in the last five years involving those on foot or bike.

“Every one of them has a human impact well beyond the victims themselves. Nobody should die as the result of simple human error.”

He called on councils to improve crossings and junctions and lower speed limits where people live and work and for police to vigorously enforce driving standards particularly where there are 20mph speed limits.

"It's terrible news and our thoughts are very much with the families," said Derek Williams, of Norwich Cycling Campaign.

“The changes to Highway Code were well intentioned but I don't think anybody knows about it.

Eastern Daily Press: Changes to road rules means drivers have to give priority to cyclists and pedestrians.Changes to road rules means drivers have to give priority to cyclists and pedestrians. (Image: Highway Code)

“I think it has altered drivers behaviour a bit but the trouble is every car is driven by an individual person and the vast majority of motorists are careful and considerate but it really only takes one that is distracted or who is not very good and you can have a very dangerous situation.”

Matt White, founder of Car Free Norwich, said: "We should all have the freedom to travel how we choose without fear of injury or death.

"Yet too often this freedom is threatened by a lack of safe cycling infrastructure and poor driver behaviour.”

Eastern Daily Press: Campaigners have called for better infrastructure and enforcement to make roads safer for cyclistsCampaigners have called for better infrastructure and enforcement to make roads safer for cyclists (Image: PA)

He urged Norfolk County Council to sign up to Vision Zero, which aims to eliminate deaths on our roads through the use of speed limits, infrastructure upgrades, and behaviour change.

"There also needs to be more serious consequences - including lifetime driving bans - for those who cause death or serious injury by dangerous driving," he added.

Green party county councillor Jamie Osborn said: “This is tragic news. The council needs to be making sure pedestrians and cyclists are safer so there are no more deaths.

“We should be following the example of European cities and aiming for zero road deaths next year.I want to see what is being planned to ensure that is achieved."

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23356513.norfolk-safety-calls-two-cyclists-killed-48-hours/

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 16:43 UTC

On 06/03/2023 08:45, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> It follows the death of a cyclist in his 30s on Norwich outer ring road at Earlham on Monday after his bike collided with a white VW Golf. > The drivers in both incidents, both men aged in their 20s, have been
arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

[ ... ]

> Green party county councillor Jamie Osborn said: “This is tragic news. The council needs to be making sure pedestrians and cyclists are safer so there are no more deaths.
> “We should be following the example of European cities and aiming for zero road deaths next year.I want to see what is being planned to ensure that is achieved."

He / she / they obviously cannot mean Dutch cities such as Amsterdam,
with their high fatality rates for cyclists.

> https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23356513.norfolk-safety-calls-two-cyclists-killed-48-hours/

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 by: Spike - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 16:56 UTC

JNugent <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:
> On 06/03/2023 08:45, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> It follows the death of a cyclist in his 30s on Norwich outer ring road
>> at Earlham on Monday after his bike collided with a white VW Golf. > The
>> drivers in both incidents, both men aged in their 20s, have been
> arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Green party county councillor Jamie Osborn said: “This is tragic news.
>> The council needs to be making sure pedestrians and cyclists are safer
>> so there are no more deaths.

>> “We should be following the example of European cities and aiming for
>> zero road deaths next year.I want to see what is being planned to ensure
>> that is achieved."

> He / she / they obviously cannot mean Dutch cities such as Amsterdam,
> with their high fatality rates for cyclists.

Utrecht and Rotterdam are, I believe, worse than Amsterdam for cycling
fatalities. Holland as a country is pretty grim regarding cyclist deaths,
207 in the last year on record. This from an official Dutch web site:

<https://swov.nl/sites/default/files/media/media.up/fs_international_fig5.png>

>> https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23356513.norfolk-safety-calls-two-cyclists-killed-48-hours/

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 17:20 UTC

QUOTE: The drivers in both incidents, both men aged in their 20s, have been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. ENDS

GOOD OLD FASHIONED COPPERING AT WORK.

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 by: Spike - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 20:36 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: The drivers in both incidents, both men aged in their 20s, have
> been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. ENDS
>
> GOOD OLD FASHIONED COPPERING AT WORK.

It’s (a lack of) good old-fashioned coppering that let’s cyclists get away
with so much law-breaking.

Even worse in Scotland now the police force there is strapped for cash.

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 by: Brian - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 21:05 UTC

JNugent <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:
> On 06/03/2023 08:45, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It follows the death of a cyclist in his 30s on Norwich outer ring road
>> at Earlham on Monday after his bike collided with a white VW Golf. > The
>> drivers in both incidents, both men aged in their 20s, have been
> arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Green party county councillor Jamie Osborn said: “This is tragic news.
>> The council needs to be making sure pedestrians and cyclists are safer
>> so there are no more deaths.
>> “We should be following the example of European cities and aiming for
>> zero road deaths next year.I want to see what is being planned to ensure
>> that is achieved."
>
> He / she / they obviously cannot mean Dutch cities such as Amsterdam,
> with their high fatality rates for cyclists.
>

Dutch cyclists ride as if they’ve ‘over indulged’ in the coffee shops. (
Dutch coffee shops don’t specialise in coffee.)

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 6 Mar 2023 21:13 UTC

QUOTE: If the car wasn't there I doubt the cyclists would have died. We also see many instances of drivers doing very stupid and suicidal things on the roads, such as that young man/teenager this week that lost their life driving into a tree. ENDS

Any flowers and beer cans on the tree yet?


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