swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> He didn't create any of the offences, the entitled, victimhood-claiming
> driver did. Yes, it is an unnecessary hazard, but it's entirely caused
> by the dangerous drivers. Doubtless you would be horrified and upset
> when someone is killed/injured there because of a dangerous driver, and
> will weep copious crocodile tears, and loudly wonder why "someone didn't
> do something before".

> The police can't be everywhere and they rely on the public reporting and
> stopping crimes if possible. They should be giving Mikey some sort of award.

Given van twErp’s propensity for aggression and violence (“I’ll put you on
the ground, matey”), they should be putting him in jail, considering less
aggressive actions can now do so.

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Spike

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:00:07 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> He didn't create any of the offences, the entitled, victimhood-claiming driver did. Yes, it is an unnecessary hazard, but it's entirely caused by the dangerous drivers. Doubtless you would be horrified and upset when someone is killed/injured there because of a dangerous driver, and will weep copious crocodile tears, and loudly wonder why "someone didn't do something before".
>
> The police can't be everywhere and they rely on the public reporting and stopping crimes if possible. They should be giving Mikey some sort of award..

I used to get letters of thanks from the police when I sent them videos of illegal m/bikes which they crushed.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:00:07 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> He didn't create any of the offences, the entitled, victimhood-claiming
>> driver did. Yes, it is an unnecessary hazard, but it's entirely caused
>> by the dangerous drivers. Doubtless you would be horrified and upset
>> when someone is killed/injured there because of a dangerous driver, and
>> will weep copious crocodile tears, and loudly wonder why "someone didn't
>> do something before".
>>
>> The police can't be everywhere and they rely on the public reporting and
>> stopping crimes if possible. They should be giving Mikey some sort of award.
>
> I used to get letters of thanks from the police when I sent them videos
> of illegal m/bikes which they crushed.

Did you send them, and the ambulance and hospital staff, letters of thanks
after your gravity-exploring exercise?

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Spike

To be fair to Neal, he has started cycling. I have seen a few of his videos over the years and its fascinating to see how drastically his views on cyclist related incidents have changed since he started getting on two wheels.

Like most drivers he has a new appreciation for how fucking awful most drivers are and how vulnerable you are as a cyclist.

Its amusing that drivers think that cyclists are a menace and ignore all their fellow motorists shitty driving but as soon as they get on a bike all those shit drivers are suddenly not such a non-event when you don't have a big metal box around you.

On 06/03/2023 05:12 pm, Brian wrote:
> JNugent <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2023 08:41, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Ashley Neal — son of former Liverpool and England footballer Phil Neal —
>>> has uploaded another video, this time questioning fellow YouTube road
>>> safety figure CyclingMikey's riding around pedestrians.
>>>
>>> The Liverpool-based driving instructor shared the video — which included
>>> two pieces of footage originally uploaded by CyclingMikey, real name
>>> Mike van Erp — with his 134,000 subscribers as part of his "Ashley's
>>> Analysis" series and said he has "concerns that with such a large
>>> following, people copy some of his behaviour".
>>>
>>> In the video, Neal criticised Mikey's decision-making around pedestrians
>>> in one incident in south-west London's Richmond Park as well as another
>>> outside London Paddington Station, saying "social media is an
>>> influential place and content creators need to take great care with the
>>> content they produce because a lot of people listen".
>>>
>>> The driving instructor told his viewers that Mikey rang his bell at
>>> pedestrians on a shared-use path as "a way of saying 'get out of my
>>> way'" and hinted that he should not have told the woman that she should
>>> be walking at the side of the path.
>>>
>>> However, in response, Mikey said he "didn't mind waiting for her" and
>>> only "took offence at her being angry with the other cyclist" who had
>>> passed the walkers seconds earlier.
>>>
>>> The road safety campaigner who reports law-breaking drivers using their
>>> mobile phones behind the wheel also said he wishes Neal would "leave me
>>> alone" but is "mildly amused by him having to use me to create content,
>>> perhaps he doesn't have enough of his own creativity".
>>>
>>> Neal praised Mikey's earlier "nice use of the bell" with a pedestrian
>>> who moved to side of the path to let him pass, saying "everything was
>>> dealt with nicely here" in a "shared space where the pedestrians are
>>> more vulnerable, especially with a young child".
>>>
>>> However, as the clip develops, Neal suggested the second group of
>>> pedestrians had legitimate reason to be upset with the "close pass" of
>>> the cyclist riding ahead of Mikey and criticised his interaction with
>>> the group while passing.
>>>
>>> "If we think of things from this lady's perspective just for a second,"
>>> Neal said. "She has just been close passed, then told she should be
>>> moving out of the way for cyclists when, in effect, she was maybe only
>>> taking her primary position so any pass of her and her group could be
>>> done and should be done safely. Was she just being awkward?"
>>>
>>> In the second video Neal analyses, he takes issue with Mikey warning a
>>> cyclist about waiting on her phone by a junction as a bus turns left and
>>> blames the rider for not making it a "non-event" when a taxi driver
>>> "pulls out when it probably shouldn't have".
>>>
>>> These incidents precede the main portion of the video in which Mikey
>>> argues with a pedestrian who stepped out in front of him when the lights
>>> were green for traffic.
>>>
>>> Neal accused Mikey of "trying to create content just for views" before
>>> pointing out two cyclists rolling through the red light at walking pace
>>> in the background of the shot.
>>>
>>> "You cannot criticise everyone else bar from your own group," Neal
>>> suggested, less than two minutes after the footage of Mikey telling the
>>> phone-using cyclist to be more careful.
>>>
>>> "It's like me not calling out driving instructors when I see them doing
>>> something wrong," Neal continued. "So what is my reason behind releasing
>>> this video? Primarily, it is to show Mikey there are alternative ways to
>>> deal with things. His following is large and his outreach is great and
>>> it is concerning if people take up a similar mindset.
>>>
>>> "If we are ever going to truly make the roads a better place we all need
>>> to work together, follow the rules and always think of things from other
>>> people's perspectives."
>>>
>>> Mikey brushed off the video, saying: "I just wish he'd leave me alone. I
>>> want nothing to do with these people. I'm mildly amused by him having to
>>> use me to create content, perhaps he doesn't have enough of his own creativity."
>>>
>>> Neal has previously said he "wholeheartedly" disagrees with the approach
>>> taken by Mikey, this his second video about the cycling safety
>>> campaigner who counts Guy Ritchie and Chris Eubank among the list of
>>> phone-using drivers he has reported to the Metropolitan Police.
>>>
>>> "What Mikey has done is actually rallied many cyclists to take a similar
>>> reporting approach," Neil said in a video uploaded last May. "This may
>>> have a positive impact nationally on stopping people using their mobile
>>> phones, but honestly, I think it's created a different problem. I've
>>> actually asked Mikey about this on his videos before but he didn't respond.
>>>
>>> "Quite often you can see on the footage while he's challenging the
>>> motorist for contravening the keep left bollard, cyclists doing exactly
>>> the same. Now, I understand that anyone driving a tonne's worth of metal
>>> is going to do a hell of a lot more damage than anyone riding a bike,
>>> but with the speeds involved at this junction and at this crossing area,
>>> honestly, it becomes a lot less relevant.
>>>
>>> "Some motorists think because of the lack of requirement for number
>>> plates and licences to ride a bicycle, cyclists are getting away with
>>> things that motorists don't."
>>>
>>> https://road.cc/content/news/cyclingmikey-wishes-ashley-neal-would-leave-me-alone-299753
>>
>> Because of the lack of requirement for number plates and licences to
>> ride a bicycle, cyclists are getting away with things that motorists don't.
>>
>> We know.
>>
>> FairyCyclingMikey complaining about persecution?
>>
>> Can he even spell "hypocrisy"?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> There is an interesting reference in the video. Cyclists and the Judge in
> the recent case should read it. It refers to how cyclists should behave
> when approaching pedestrians.

Is there any point in trying to tell those scofflaw chavs on fairy-bikes
about the rights and vulnerabilities of normal people?

I thought Mikey was simply crossing the road at that point, quite legally, and each time was met by a motorist dangerously blocking one direction of the highway by driving the wrong way up it? Also, towards a junction where the sight lines aren't good and - I believe - there have been collisions. Naturally, being concerned for their safety and the safety of others CM merely stopped to point out each driver's mistake and how to safely resolve it.... In one case a driver even drove into him!

I think the difference between that and a contretemps with a pedestrian on a shared use path is great!

TBH the sooner we can persuade our local authorities and planners that shared use paths are an outdated bodge* the better. There's a reason NL, Copenhagen etc have lots of cycling, are great for pedestrians AND have few if any UK-style shared use paths...

* which will end up limiting active travel and make their area look uninviting to investors and get them angry letters and then no votes from those in their wards... hmm, maybe that first reason is currently a positive for many of them?

On 10/03/2023 04:16 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> I thought

Unlikely.

QUOTE: Naturally, being concerned for their safety and the safety of others CM merely stopped to point out each driver's mistake and how to safely resolve it... In one case a driver even drove into him! ENDS

Even though he was standing on a zebra crossing!