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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:41 UTC

The parents of a cyclist killed by a driver who hit him from behind with his Jeep have asked: "Why didn't you see him?" The victim was thrown into the air after being hit and suffered a serious head injury which led to his death.

Raymond Treharne, 73, killed David Jones when his Grand Cherokee collided with his bike on the A48 Crack Hill in Bridgend at around 5.50am on May 27, 2020. Following the collision the defendant was "in shock" and told people: "I hit him.... He was standing on the bike. He fell into the road."

Mr Jones hit the ground, was not moving, and was covered in blood as his bike went under the vehicle. He was later pronounced dead at the scene.

A trial at Cardiff Crown Court heard was no evidence Treharne had applied his brakes or swerved prior to the collision. Forensic collision investigators concluded Mr Jones was in an upright position and fixed to his bike at the moment of the crash rather than falling from a static position. Treharne, of Abbey Road, Kenfig Hill, Bridgend, was found guilty by a jury of causing death by careless driving.

A sentencing hearing at Swansea Crown Court on Monday heard a victim personal statement from Mr Jones' father Tony Jones who said he and his family felt "an array of emotions" including "disbelief, numbness, anger, and guilt".. He added: "We feel able to tell you Raymond Treharne the pain you have caused by what you did that day. Davey doesn't have a voice now, we brought him into this world and feel it's our duty to speak for him.

"We're good people and a good family. We don't harbour hate or malice towards anyone. We're not looking for vengeance or a pound of flesh. We're looking for justice and an answer to an easy question. Where were you looking? How could you not see my son riding a bike? He was doing what he loved.... He wasn't doing anything wrong. Why didn't you see him? Only you and your conscience can answer that question."

Mr Jones Sr said Treharne's decision to plead not guilty had prolonged the family's pain. He said their world had been "turned upside-down" and no sentence passed by the court would bring their son back. The father added: "Rest in peace Davey. We love you and miss you."

The victim's former partner and mother of his children Michelle Crocker said Mr Jones' two children had been affected by his death. She said: "My son asks: 'Why did my dad die so young?' and I have no answer to give him.... Telling them their father had died was the hardest thing I've had to do."

In mitigation defence barrister Helen Randall described Mr Jones' death as "a desperately sad incident with tragic consequences". She said the incident has had a "profound effect" on Treharne who was a professional driver of more than 50 years. She said the defendant has now stopped driving, which has brought about an early retirement, with Ms Randall describing the ageing process as "significant".

Sentencing, Judge Catherine Richards said Mr Jones was not to blame for any part of his death. She said the deceased's family would have to live with the consequences of Treharne's actions for the rest of their lives. She added: "Periods of inattention can have catastrophic effects and that is what happened here... You failed to have regard to a vulnerable road user, namely a cyclist, on this road."

Treharne was sentenced to 36 weeks imprisonment suspended for 12 months. He was made subject to a curfew between 5pm and 6am for six months. He was also disqualified from driving for seven years.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/parents-cyclist-ask-killer-driver-26457980

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On 13/03/2023 04:41 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> The parents of a cyclist killed by a driver who hit him from behind with his Jeep have asked: "Why didn't you see him?" The victim was thrown into the air after being hit and suffered a serious head injury which led to his death.

The only possible answer, of course, has to be that the driver cannot
know why he did not see the person in front of him.

There is, after all, no suggestion that the collision was deliberate.
Had there been, a very different charge would have been brought.

> Raymond Treharne, 73, killed David Jones when his Grand Cherokee collided with his bike on the A48 Crack Hill in Bridgend at around 5.50am on May 27, 2020. Following the collision the defendant was "in shock" and told people: "I hit him.... He was standing on the bike. He fell into the road."
> Mr Jones hit the ground, was not moving, and was covered in blood as his bike went under the vehicle. He was later pronounced dead at the scene.
> A trial at Cardiff Crown Court heard was no evidence Treharne had applied his brakes or swerved prior to the collision. Forensic collision investigators concluded Mr Jones was in an upright position and fixed to his bike at the moment of the crash rather than falling from a static position. Treharne, of Abbey Road, Kenfig Hill, Bridgend, was found guilty by a jury of causing death by careless driving.
> A sentencing hearing at Swansea Crown Court on Monday heard a victim personal statement from Mr Jones' father Tony Jones who said he and his family felt "an array of emotions" including "disbelief, numbness, anger, and guilt". He added: "We feel able to tell you Raymond Treharne the pain you have caused by what you did that day. Davey doesn't have a voice now, we brought him into this world and feel it's our duty to speak for him.
> "We're good people and a good family. We don't harbour hate or malice towards anyone. We're not looking for vengeance or a pound of flesh. We're looking for justice and an answer to an easy question. Where were you looking? How could you not see my son riding a bike? He was doing what he loved.... He wasn't doing anything wrong. Why didn't you see him? Only you and your conscience can answer that question."
> Mr Jones Sr said Treharne's decision to plead not guilty had prolonged the family's pain. He said their world had been "turned upside-down" and no sentence passed by the court would bring their son back. The father added: "Rest in peace Davey. We love you and miss you."
> The victim's former partner and mother of his children Michelle Crocker said Mr Jones' two children had been affected by his death. She said: "My son asks: 'Why did my dad die so young?' and I have no answer to give him.... Telling them their father had died was the hardest thing I've had to do."
> In mitigation defence barrister Helen Randall described Mr Jones' death as "a desperately sad incident with tragic consequences". She said the incident has had a "profound effect" on Treharne who was a professional driver of more than 50 years. She said the defendant has now stopped driving, which has brought about an early retirement, with Ms Randall describing the ageing process as "significant".
> Sentencing, Judge Catherine Richards said Mr Jones was not to blame for any part of his death. She said the deceased's family would have to live with the consequences of Treharne's actions for the rest of their lives. She added: "Periods of inattention can have catastrophic effects and that is what happened here... You failed to have regard to a vulnerable road user, namely a cyclist, on this road."
> Treharne was sentenced to 36 weeks imprisonment suspended for 12 months. He was made subject to a curfew between 5pm and 6am for six months. He was also disqualified from driving for seven years.
>
> https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/parents-cyclist-ask-killer-driver-26457980

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This case proves that a helmet doesn't save cyclists.

I don't think the helmet's performance is the right thing to focus on in this case.
David Jones was killed SOLELY due to the actions of a lazy/distracted/selfish vehicle driver, who was in control of a vehicle as it smashed into a cyclist! It should be treated as manslaughter!

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 by: Spike - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 21:51 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> This case proves that a helmet doesn't save cyclists.

False argument.

A crap helmet might not have saved him, but a property designed (not
styled, that’s for Lycra Louts and their inflated egos) one might have made
a difference.

> I don't think the helmet's performance is the right thing to focus on in this case.

> David Jones was killed SOLELY due to the actions of a
> lazy/distracted/selfish vehicle driver, who was in control of a vehicle
> as it smashed into a cyclist! It should be treated as manslaughter!

When Rhiannon Bennett was killed by a cyclist, he was only fined £2200, not
even the maximum.

What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 22:04 UTC

QUOTE: A trial at Cardiff Crown Court heard was no evidence Treharne had applied his brakes or swerved prior to the collision. Forensic collision investigators concluded Mr Jones was in an upright position and fixed to his bike at the moment of the crash rather than falling from a static position. Treharne, of Abbey Road, Kenfig Hill, Bridgend, was found guilty by a jury of causing death by careless driving. ENDS

Bloody experts - the Brextards are sick of them as they show up their lies.

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 by: Spike - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 23:05 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: A trial at Cardiff Crown Court heard was no evidence Treharne had
> applied his brakes or swerved prior to the collision. Forensic collision
> investigators concluded Mr Jones was in an upright position and fixed to
> his bike at the moment of the crash rather than falling from a static
> position. Treharne, of Abbey Road, Kenfig Hill, Bridgend, was found
> guilty by a jury of causing death by careless driving. ENDS

> Bloody experts - the Brextards are sick of them as they show up their lies.

QUOTE: A trial at Cardiff Crown Court heard was no evidence Treharne had
applied his brakes or swerved prior to the collision.ENDQUOTE

Does anyone know what this means?

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 by: JNugent - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 02:56 UTC

On 13/03/2023 10:04 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: A trial at Cardiff Crown Court heard was no evidence Treharne had applied his brakes or swerved prior to the collision. Forensic collision investigators concluded Mr Jones was in an upright position and fixed to his bike at the moment of the crash rather than falling from a static position. Treharne, of Abbey Road, Kenfig Hill, Bridgend, was found guilty by a jury of causing death by careless driving. ENDS
>
> Bloody experts - the Brextards are sick of them as they show up their lies.

What does "fixed to his bike" mean?

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QUOTE: She said the defendant has now stopped driving, which has brought about an early retirement, with Ms Randall describing the ageing process as "significant" ENDS

Will never drive again after his 7 year ban - safer roads for any other poor sod out there.

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QUOTE: Sentencing Treharne, Judge Catherine Richards said: "Mr Jones was an experienced cyclist and was not to blame at all. The trial was told there was no evidence the driver had applied his brakes or swerved before the crash on the A48 in Bridgend.ENDS

Driver was 100% to blame therefore.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: She said the defendant has now stopped driving, which has brought
> about an early retirement, with Ms Randall describing the ageing process
> as "significant" ENDS
>
> Will never drive again after his 7 year ban - safer roads for any other poor sod out there.

Unfortunately, killer cyclists don’t get a ban.

It’s time that cycle law was brought up to date.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: Sentencing Treharne, Judge Catherine Richards said: "Mr Jones was
> an experienced cyclist and was not to blame at all. The trial was told
> there was no evidence the driver had applied his brakes or swerved before
> the crash on the A48 in Bridgend.ENDS

> Driver was 100% to blame therefore.

Who is to say that the cyclist didn’t wobble into to the path of the car,
or swerve to avoid a pothole?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:23 UTC

1 hr ago

Those over the age of 60 are more likely to have an accident than newly qualified boy racers! Simply, arrogance and thinking they know everything and don't need to pay as much attention to the road! It said it all when he said that he "was a professional driver" meaning he thought he knew better on the road! So sad someone had to die for him to realise that he doesn't know everything!

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1 hr ago
>
> Those over the age of 60 are more likely to have an accident than newly
> qualified boy racers! Simply, arrogance and thinking they know everything
> and don't need to pay as much attention to the road! It said it all when
> he said that he "was a professional driver" meaning he thought he knew
> better on the road! So sad someone had to die for him to realise that he
> doesn't know everything!

That’s interesting. In the real world, not often inhabited by cyclists,
Insurance companies rate over-60s drivers at low risk and reward them with
lower premiums. Newly qualified boy racers get their premiums heavily
loaded, when they can get them at all.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:24:00 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> 1 hr ago
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> Those over the age of 60 are more likely to have an accident than newly qualified boy racers! Simply, arrogance and thinking they know everything and don't need to pay as much attention to the road! It said it all when he said that he "was a professional driver" meaning he thought he knew better on the road! So sad someone had to die for him to realise that he doesn't know everything!

The driver took early retirement......AT 73!

He should have retired years ago.

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 by: Spike - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:24:00 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 1 hr ago
>>
>> Those over the age of 60 are more likely to have an accident than newly
>> qualified boy racers! Simply, arrogance and thinking they know
>> everything and don't need to pay as much attention to the road! It said
>> it all when he said that he "was a professional driver" meaning he
>> thought he knew better on the road! So sad someone had to die for him to
>> realise that he doesn't know everything!

> The driver took early retirement......AT 73!

> He should have retired years ago.

Perhaps you should have donated some of your own £600,000 pension pot, and
put your money where your mouth is.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:34 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:27:22 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:24:00 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 1 hr ago
> >
> > Those over the age of 60 are more likely to have an accident than newly qualified boy racers! Simply, arrogance and thinking they know everything and don't need to pay as much attention to the road! It said it all when he said that he "was a professional driver" meaning he thought he knew better on the road! So sad someone had to die for him to realise that he doesn't know everything!
> The driver took early retirement......AT 73!
>
> He should have retired years ago.

He will be over 80 when his ban ends - too old to drive a lorry anymore.


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