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On 13/03/2023 05:34 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrFtvM4X0AAIDMN?format=jpg&name=medium

While driving back from the medical centre today, I saw local "parking
attendants" (two of 'em) wielding digital cameras and photographing the
"No Waiting" sign and two cars which had been left half on the *footway*
nearby.

I suspect that the effort to photograph the sign means that the
ticket(s) will be issued for parking on the (single) yellow line, rather
than for parking on the *footway*.

Of course, you are only fed up with it (parking on the *footway*)
because it hampers you and other fairy-cyclists when you illegally use
the *footway* as a fairy-cycling route.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 18:04 UTC

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 5:34:42 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrFtvM4X0AAIDMN?format=jpg&name=medium

Mothers with babies don't pay "pavement tax".
If an idiot driver kills them it's their fault they were hit.
Everyone knows footways are de facto car parks.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 5:34:42 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrFtvM4X0AAIDMN?format=jpg&name=medium
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> Mothers with babies don't pay "pavement tax".
> If an idiot driver kills them it's their fault they were hit.
> Everyone knows footways are de facto car parks.

I thought that footways were de facto cycle race tracks…

--
Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 20:07 UTC

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 5:34:42 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrFtvM4X0AAIDMN?format=jpg&name=medium

Yes completely, I politely mentioned the difficulty it causes me as a disabled person to a lady who continually parks on the pathway near my flat..and got just loads of abuse from her.

SURELY NOT? THEY'RE THE ONES IN THE WRONG.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 20:11 UTC

18 vehicles blocking pavement on A25 at Limpsfield today.

Law enforcement doesn't enforce.

Wheelchair users and buggy-pushing Mum's can walk in the road...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrG45oaacAYiwuK?format=jpg&name=medium

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 20:09 UTC

I’m with you. The other day I watched an Amazon van pull onto the pavement outside a house and the driver walk the 5 yards or so to the door. This in a street with no parked cars and plenty of room for cars to pass. I just thought why.

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 by: JNugent - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 02:59 UTC

On 13/03/2023 08:09 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m with you. The other day I watched an Amazon van pull onto the pavement outside a house and the driver walk the 5 yards or so to the door. This in a street with no parked cars and plenty of room for cars to pass. I just thought why.

"I just thought why"?

Are you completely ignorant of the rules of syntax and grammar?

[Don't bother answering; we are all well aware that the answer is "Yes".]

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 05:11 UTC

We need the law to state that ANYTHING blocking a pavement can be walked over as if it were pavement with no legal recourse against the pedestrian.
You *probably* can't drive a wheelchair over a car, but good luck to those who try - and it'll revive sales of hobnail boots ..

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 by: Spike - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 09:29 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> We need the law to state that ANYTHING blocking a pavement can be walked
> over as if it were pavement with no legal recourse against the pedestrian.
> You *probably* can't drive a wheelchair over a car, but good luck to
> those who try - and it'll revive sales of hobnail boots ..

Ah! The old Criminal Damage fallback so beloved of cyclists.

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Our Walking and Cycling Index (formerly Bike Life) is the UK's biggest ever study of walking, wheeling and cycling. It highlights the issue of pavement parking in urban areas across the UK and Ireland, and has found that banning pavement parking would help 70% of all residents to walk or wheel more.

Our survey gathered the opinions of over 13 million people. Pictured is Gordon, Bristol Walking Alliance and Co-Chair Bristol Disability Equality Forum.

Our Walking and Cycling Index, formerly known as Bike Life has highlighted several barriers which people face when walking, wheeling and cycling in their local areas.

One is the obstruction caused by pavement parking.

We surveyed more than 24,000 people from 18 cities and areas across England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Each report looks at infrastructure, travel behaviour, the impact of cycling, and new initiatives.

In our report, we found that banning pavement parking would help 70% of all residents to walk or wheel more.

And 72% of residents think wider pavements would encourage them to do so.

Pavement parking is currently prohibited in London.

The UK government is now considering extending this across England.

The Scottish government is set to introduce a ban on pavement parking in 2023.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Scottish government is set to introduce a ban on pavement parking in 2023.

How‘s it going?

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Vehicle ownership is a choice we all make, and nothing gives any of us the right to park on the pavement.
It can, and should, be banned. My business doesn't have parking, so we pay and park in public car parks - or cycle.
Residential streets are not storage facilities.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrGC8p8XsAUpnCi?format=jpg&name=medium

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vehicle ownership is a choice we all make, and nothing gives any of us
> the right to park on the pavement.
> It can, and should, be banned. My business doesn't have parking, so we
> pay and park in public car parks - or cycle.
> Residential streets are not storage facilities.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrGC8p8XsAUpnCi?format=jpg&name=medium

“Residential streets are not storage facilities”…

…except when they are used to store bicycles.

Amazingly two-faced, these cyclists.

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On 14/03/2023 11:21 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Our Walking and Fairy-Cycling Index (formerly Fairy-Bike Life) is the UK's biggest ever study of walking, wheeling and fairy-cycling. It highlights the issue of pavement parking in urban areas across the UK and Ireland, and has found that banning pavement parking would help 70% of all residents to walk or wheel more.

What has "pavement" (footway) parking got to do with fairy-cyclists,
unless they intend to fairy-cycle along the affected footway and put
pedestrians in danger?
>
> Our survey gathered the opinions of over 13 million people. Pictured is Gordon, Bristol Walking Alliance and Co-Chair Bristol Disability Equality Forum.
> Our Walking and Fairy-Cycling Index, formerly known as Fairy-Bike Life has highlighted several barriers which people face when walking, wheeling and fairy-cycling in their local areas.
> One is the obstruction caused by pavement parking.
> We surveyed more than 24,000 people from 18 cities and areas across England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
> Each report looks at infrastructure, travel behaviour, the impact of fairy-cycling, and new initiatives.
> In our report, we found that banning pavement parking would help 70% of all residents to walk or wheel more.
> And 72% of residents think wider pavements would encourage them to do so.
> Pavement parking is currently prohibited in London.
> The UK government is now considering extending this across England.

That would be an idea, wouldn't it?

There's no point in arguing for enforcement of a law that doesn't exist,
after all.

> The Scottish government is set to introduce a ban on pavement parking in 2023.

So what?

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 by: JNugent - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:51 UTC

On 14/03/2023 01:30 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Vehicle ownership is a choice we all make, and nothing gives any of us the right to park on the pavement.
> It can, and should, be banned. My business doesn't have parking, so we pay and park in public car parks - or fairy-cycle.
> Residential streets are not storage facilities.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrGC8p8XsAUpnCi?format=jpg&name=medium

"Residential streets are not storage facilities."

Perhaps they shouldn't be.

But they are.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:36 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:30:28 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Vehicle ownership is a choice we all make, and nothing gives any of us the right to park on the pavement.
> It can, and should, be banned. My business doesn't have parking, so we pay and park in public car parks - or cycle.
> Residential streets are not storage facilities.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrGC8p8XsAUpnCi?format=jpg&name=medium

That and phone driving, and speeding, and tailgating, and idling, and car alarms ruining my relaxation, and cars in intersections bc they ran a red and got stuck, and giant carparks ruining landscapes, and cars parked in bus lanes.


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