*Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
/Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>

"Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
aren't we making the switch?"
~~~~ ~~~~

As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
... bugger all normal humans and the planet.

--
The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>
> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
> aren't we making the switch?"
> ~~~~ ~~~~
>
> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.

Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy problems for all for all time.
Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>
> --
> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>>
>> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
>> aren't we making the switch?"
>> ~~~~ ~~~~
>>
>> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
>> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>
>Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy problems for all for all time.
>Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>>
>> --
>> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
>Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.

Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.

1/ How do you make the stuff?
2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
air?
3/ Low energy density?
4/ etc.

There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 12:10:11 PM UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
snip
>
> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>
> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
> air?
> 3/ Low energy density?
> 4/ etc.
>
> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>
Hydrogen can be easily made from natural gas which Australia has plenty
generating it from solar power water is at present ridiculous
<https://www.hyundai.co.nz/nz-post-first-kiwi-owner-of-hyundai-hydrogen-powered-truck>
https://tinyurl.com/2bdvakc9
NZ Post first Kiwi owner of Hyundai hydrogen-powered truck
--
Petzl
You funny guy, I'll kill you last.
- Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

Petz continues his never ending 'village idiot show'

/Autosnip all inputs of mentally deranged home grown and septic trash
malicious wankers residing in my killfile/

> snip

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/Reminder of the original context restored:

*Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
/Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
"Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
aren't we making the switch?"
~~~~ ~~~~
As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
... bugger all normal humans and the planet.

~~~~
~~~~
> Hydrogen can be easily made from natural gas

What's the point in doing that? Natural gas which is a fossil fuel can
be liquefied and used without further manipulation. Still polluting like
hell, but at least the per unit energy usage efficiency balance is that
way much better. NEXT fossil fuels addicted suggestion ...

> generating it from solar power water is at present ridiculous

Not quite! That technology needs to mature for large scale use.
We are clearly NOT there yet!

It seems the hydrogen technology only looks useful for aviation,
anything else is less then satisfactory from environmental protection
standpoint.

> NZ Post first Kiwi owner of Hyundai hydrogen-powered truck
>
Yeah, it is possible to use hydrogen but only if the generation is
environmentally friendly. Using gas for the purpose of H2 generation
does nothing for reducing CO2 emissions.

It looks like you and right-retard ilk in this newsgroup are completely
unable to respond to my original post in any meaningful fashion.
It figures.

NOTE:
Your idiot alt-right/Xtian fundy hate propaganda and fantasy sig was
flushed as always without reading!

--
The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

Peter Jason wrote:
>
> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>

Oh yeah, and rocket fuel is hydrocarbon (kerosene or methane). Look how
much you have to burn to get 100 kg payload to Mars. Plus the liquid
oxygen - how much fucken energy is required to make that for a launch.

On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
> >>
> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
> >> aren't we making the switch?"
> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
> >>
> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
> >
> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy problems for all for all time.
> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
> >>
> >> --
> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
He was not the etc etc you wrote.
It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
>
> 1/ How do you make the stuff?

Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.

> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
> air?

Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
and our paper
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
Abstract:
The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection, storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available, cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing either a graceful degradation of the currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel energy usage to renewable energy usage.
> 3/ Low energy density?
Irrelevant with above
> 4/ etc.
H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is not polluting but pure water.
>
> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the left.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:25:16 +1000, petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 12:10:11 PM UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> snip
>>
>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>>
>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>> air?
>> 3/ Low energy density?
>> 4/ etc.
>>
>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.

> Hydrogen can be easily made from natural gas

But no point in doing that, makes a lot more sense to use the natural gas
instead.

> which Australia has plenty
> generating it from solar power water is at present ridiculous
> <https://www.hyundai.co.nz/nz-post-first-kiwi-owner-of-hyundai-hydrogen-powered-truck>
> https://tinyurl.com/2bdvakc9
> NZ Post first Kiwi owner of Hyundai hydrogen-powered truck

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 13:12:11 +1000, Ördög
<newsgroup.devil@hell.incorporated.biz> wrote:

> Petz continues his never ending 'village idiot show'
>
> /Autosnip all inputs of mentally deranged home grown and septic trash
> malicious wankers residing in my killfile/
>
>> snip
>
> ````````````````````````````````````````````
> /Reminder of the original context restored:
>
> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…

Bullshit it is.

> So Why Aren’t We Using It?*

Because it isnt.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 16:08:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:25:16 +1000, petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 12:10:11?PM UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>>>
>>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>>> air?
>>> 3/ Low energy density?
>>> 4/ etc.
>>>
>>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>
>> Hydrogen can be easily made from natural gas
>
>But no point in doing that, makes a lot more sense to use the natural gas
>instead.
>
Yes but not seen it done with electric car fuel cells?
<https://www.eversource.com/content/business/services/connect-to-gas/natural-gas-powered-fuel-cells>
https://tinyurl.com/264kzvl6
Natural Gas-Powered Fuel Cells
A fuel cell is an electromechanical device that converts the chemical
energy from the methane in natural gas into electricity through a
chemical reaction with oxygen.
Not only are fuel cells quiet and reliable, with no moving parts and a
durability of up to 20 years, but they convert natural gas directly
into electricity with heat and a total system efficiency that can be
much higher than other generation sources.
>
>> which Australia has plenty
>> generating it from solar power water is at present ridiculous
>> <https://www.hyundai.co.nz/nz-post-first-kiwi-owner-of-hyundai-hydrogen-powered-truck>
>> https://tinyurl.com/2bdvakc9
>> NZ Post first Kiwi owner of Hyundai hydrogen-powered truck
--
Petzl
You funny guy, I'll kill you last.
- Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

Peter Jason wrote on 19/6/23 12:10 pm:

<Snip>

> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>
..... which was, sort of, the basic storyline behind the book "Red Mars"
by Kim Stanley Robinson. Basically pollute the hell out of what little
atmosphere Mars has, pumping more gunk into it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_trilogy

The following books, "Green Mars" and "Blue Mars" completed the process
turning Mars into an inhabitable planet.
--
Daniel

Arindam Banerjee wrote on 19/6/23 2:49 pm:
> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:

<Snip>

>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by
>> the loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university
>> graduates.
> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the
> hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.

Hmm! The way you've written that, Petzl, it sounds like you think George
Bush 2 is dead.

Someone better tell him!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
--
Daniel

Daniel65 wrote on 19/6/23 8:03 pm:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote on 19/6/23 2:49 pm:
>> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
>>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted
>>> by the loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university
>>> graduates.
>> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the
>> hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
>
> Hmm! The way you've written that, Petzl, it sounds like you think
> George Bush 2 is dead.

Sorry, that wasn't Petzl, it was Arindam that posted that Bush stuff!!

> Someone better tell him!!
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush--
Daniel

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 17:14:51 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 16:08:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:25:16 +1000, petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 12:10:11?PM UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>>>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>>>>
>>>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>>>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>>>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>>>> air?
>>>> 3/ Low energy density?
>>>> 4/ etc.
>>>>
>>>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>>>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>>
>>> Hydrogen can be easily made from natural gas
>>
>> But no point in doing that, makes a lot more sense to use the natural
>> gas
>> instead.
>>
> Yes but not seen it done with electric car fuel cells?
> <https://www.eversource.com/content/business/services/connect-to-gas/natural-gas-powered-fuel-cells>
> https://tinyurl.com/264kzvl6
> Natural Gas-Powered Fuel Cells

Still a stupid way to do things given the massive downsides
of hydrogen in a car and much better ways of generating
hydrogen than using natural gas.

> A fuel cell is an electromechanical device that converts the chemical
> energy from the methane in natural gas into electricity through a
> chemical reaction with oxygen.

Makes no sense to use a fuel cell at all.

> Not only are fuel cells quiet and reliable, with no moving parts and a
> durability of up to 20 years, but they convert natural gas directly
> into electricity with heat and a total system efficiency that can be
> much higher than other generation sources.

>>> which Australia has plenty
>>> generating it from solar power water is at present ridiculous
>>> <https://www.hyundai.co.nz/nz-post-first-kiwi-owner-of-hyundai-hydrogen-powered-truck>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bdvakc9
>>> NZ Post first Kiwi owner of Hyundai hydrogen-powered truck

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 11:39:37 +0800, Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:

>Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>>
>
>Oh yeah, and rocket fuel is hydrocarbon (kerosene or methane). Look how
>much you have to burn to get 100 kg payload to Mars. Plus the liquid
>oxygen - how much fucken energy is required to make that for a launch.

I was joking a little bit.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>> >>
>> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
>> >> aren't we making the switch?"
>> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
>> >>
>> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
>> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>> >
>> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy problems for all for all time.
>> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
>> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
>He was not the etc etc you wrote.
>It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
>>
>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>
>Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
>Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
>From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
>
>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>> air?
>
>Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
>and our paper
>https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
>Abstract:
>The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection, storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available, cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing either a graceful degradation of the
>currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel energy usage to renewable energy usage.
>> 3/ Low energy density?
>Irrelevant with above
>> 4/ etc.
>H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is not polluting but pure water.
>>
>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the left.

Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
true.

NUCLEAR POWER.

The French have been using this for decades without any major
handicap.

The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
subducting tectonic plate.

The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.

And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
useful employment!

On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:03:03 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>>> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>>> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so
>>> why
>>> >> aren't we making the switch?"
>>> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
>>> >>
>>> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
>>> reality
>>> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>>> >
>>> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the
>>> Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's
>>> energy problems for all for all time.
>>> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own,
>>> was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the
>>> Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
>>> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the hydrogen
>> economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
>> He was not the etc etc you wrote.
>> It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
>>>
>>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>>
>> Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
>> Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
>> From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are
>> flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
>>
>>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>>> air?
>>
>> Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the
>> consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
>> and our paper
>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
>> Abstract:
>> The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature
>> about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted
>> surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of
>> renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new
>> “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and
>> universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection,
>> storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally
>> surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy
>> with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and
>> sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen
>> Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available,
>> cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by
>> the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local
>> by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing
>> either a graceful degradation of the
>> currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or
>> mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this
>> proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel
>> energy usage to renewable energy usage.
>>> 3/ Low energy density?
>> Irrelevant with above
>>> 4/ etc.
>> H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is
>> not polluting but pure water.
>>>
>>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>> I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am
>> afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the
>> left.
>
> Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
> true.
>
> NUCLEAR POWER.
>
> The French have been using this for decades without any major
> handicap.
>
> The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
> subducting tectonic plate.

Of kept until it makes economic sense to reprocess
it instead of using new uranium given that very little
of the uranium is actually consumed.

> The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.

> And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
> useful employment!

Not possible for them to find useful employment, they
are completely unemployable just like the curry muncher.

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 09:32:35 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:03:03 +1000, Peter Jason <p...@jostle.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
> >>> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
> >>> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
> >>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so
> >>> why
> >>> >> aren't we making the switch?"
> >>> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
> >>> reality
> >>> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
> >>> >
> >>> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the
> >>> Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's
> >>> energy problems for all for all time.
> >>> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own,
> >>> was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the
> >>> Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service..
> >>> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
> >>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
> >>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
> >> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the hydrogen
> >> economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
> >> He was not the etc etc you wrote.
> >> It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
> >>>
> >>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
> >>
> >> Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
> >> Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
> >> From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are
> >> flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
> >>
> >>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
> >>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
> >>> air?
> >>
> >> Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the
> >> consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
> >> and our paper
> >> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
> >> Abstract:
> >> The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature
> >> about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted
> >> surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of
> >> renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new
> >> “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and
> >> universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection,
> >> storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally
> >> surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy
> >> with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and
> >> sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen
> >> Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available,
> >> cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by
> >> the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local
> >> by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing
> >> either a graceful degradation of the
> >> currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or
> >> mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this
> >> proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel
> >> energy usage to renewable energy usage.
> >>> 3/ Low energy density?
> >> Irrelevant with above
> >>> 4/ etc.
> >> H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is
> >> not polluting but pure water.
> >>>
> >>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> >>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
> >> I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am
> >> afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the
> >> left.
> >
> > Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
> > true.
> >
> > NUCLEAR POWER.
> >
> > The French have been using this for decades without any major
> > handicap.
> >
> > The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
> > subducting tectonic plate.
> Of kept until it makes economic sense to reprocess
> it instead of using new uranium given that very little
> of the uranium is actually consumed.
> > The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.
>
> > And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
> > useful employment!
> Not possible for them to find useful employment, they
> are completely unemployable just like the curry muncher.

When the stupid and evil scums in charge finally die off therer is hope for my good new ideas.
Latest experiments (2022) showing my invention of a new kind of rail gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtyOMbgiZ0

Which is improved upon in, and its potential for ejecting matter into near space , and horizontal tunneling shown in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pjy0Wvujs&t=19s

and the following shows how a new class of linear motor violating inertia can be developed by arresting the momentum of the armature and imparting that to the whole system, giving it an increased velocity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsIuzEajTc&t=2s

Earlier experiments (2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqBfwAClVlg
IFE - 1 Ground Experiments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9eGq4Oiv9s
IFE - 2 Experimental setups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3hC48BMrno
IFE - 3 Pendulum experiments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sSPxGsLkws
IFE - 4 Evolution of spaceship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdM6UDPauU
IFE - 5 Hydrogen Transmission Network

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUAcx7rAplc
IFE - 6 Spaceship Design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Zbpvc3fdA
IFE - 7 Anti-Gravity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA9LUwqMhxY
IFE - 8 New Physics

The way the universe operates:

The cause of gravity
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/mmigkl3yZYc/m/8Rs16NCXAAAJ

Explaining the nova and supernova phenomena with new physics theories - 1
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/6UIGDNHH7n0/m/U0t-kYqgAAAJ

Explaining the nova and supernova phenomena with new physics theories - 2
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/CffbGTXV72c/m/5ONP6J6gAAAJ

Introduction to "A New Look Towards the Principles of Motion"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/1wmee5C8mFs/kJMPdnFkAwAJ

Section 1
Linear Motion, Momentum, Force, Energy, Internal Force Engines, and the design of Interstellar Spacecraft
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/GbpQC3a2d1Q/jSXQeb9kAwAJ

Section 1 (contd.)
Linear Motion, Momentum, Force, Energy, Internal Force Engines, and the design of Interstellar Spacecraft
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/P9ZiinIDhHU/ZtMQVyliBQAJ

Section 2
The Creation and Destruction of Energy
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/wY6_9V8ucSY/3nnJQk9iBQAJ

Section 3
The Structure of Heavenly Bodies
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/8jH-SQIFFDo/O1jn3HpiBQAJ

Section 4
The Nature of Explosion
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/7TkOVZigFHg/uv43_aZiBQAJ

Section 5
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/jhgcsTq-NrQ/ZBwG8S9jBQAJ

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 07:03:10 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
> >> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
> >> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
> >> >> aren't we making the switch?"
> >> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
> >> >>
> >> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
> >> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
> >> >
> >> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy problems for all for all time.
> >> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
> >> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
> >> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
> >> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
> >No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
> >He was not the etc etc you wrote.
> >It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
> >>
> >> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
> >
> >Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
> >Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
> >From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
> >
> >> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
> >> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
> >> air?
> >
> >Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
> >and our paper
> >https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
> >Abstract:
> >The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection, storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available, cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing either a graceful degradation of the
> >currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel energy usage to renewable energy usage.
> >> 3/ Low energy density?
> >Irrelevant with above
> >> 4/ etc.
> >H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is not polluting but pure water.
> >>
> >> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> >> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
> >I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the left.
> Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
> true.
>
> NUCLEAR POWER.
>
> The French have been using this for decades without any major
> handicap.

Not the Japanese.
Nuclear power in Siberia is a good idea, though. They can convert the ice to hydrogen and put it in the HTN.
>
> The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
> subducting tectonic plate.
>
> The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.

Since no one wants a nuclear plant next door, the grid has to be extended to distant places, with transmission losses, water issues, etc.
Large solar panels all over the place, is a better choice.
Better is to convert the electricity into hydrogen, and pump the hydrogen into remote areas where it will become energy plus pure water.
Now, this is too good a idea for the ruling idiots (both to the left and to the right) to understand.
>
> And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
> useful employment!

They are uselessly employed in universities and research organisations, media, politics, etc.

On 19/06/2023 12:10 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>>> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>>> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>>>
>>> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
>>> aren't we making the switch?"
>>> ~~~~ ~~~~
>>>
>>> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of reality
>>> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>>
>> Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy problems for all for all time.
>> Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>>>
>>> --
>>> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
>> Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>
> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.

**Wrong:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/japans-big-bet-on-hydrogen-could-revolutionize-the-energy-market-11623607695

>
> 1/ How do you make the stuff?

**Electrolysis is the usual method.

> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
> air?

**As ammonia.

> 3/ Low energy density?

**It is certainly lower than petrol, but better than batteries.

> 4/ etc.
>
> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.

**That would, of course, be insane.

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On 20/06/2023 7:03 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>>>>> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>>>>> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
>>>>> aren't we making the switch?"
>>>>> ~~~~ ~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
reality
>>>>> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>>>>
>>>> Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the
Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's
energy problems for all for all time.
>>>> Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my
own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when
the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
>>>> Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the
hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
>> He was not the etc etc you wrote.
>> It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
>>>
>>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>>
>> Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
>> Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
>>From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are
flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
>>
>>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>>> air?
>>
>> Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to
the consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
>> and our paper
>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
>> Abstract:
>> The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature
about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted
surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of
renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new
“load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and universal
manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection, storage and
distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally surplus
energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy with
widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and sinks.
The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen
Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available,
cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by
the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local
by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing
either a graceful degradation of the
>> currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or
mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this
proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel energy
usage to renewable energy usage.
>>> 3/ Low energy density?
>> Irrelevant with above
>>> 4/ etc.
>> H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output
is not polluting but pure water.
>>>
>>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>> I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am
afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the
left.
>
> Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
> true.
>
> NUCLEAR POWER.

**Dumb idea. On so many levels.

FIRST, you have to specify where you can store the high level waste,
SECURELY, for the next few million years. Who pays for the security?
Hint: It will be the poor old taxpayers. The US has the most experience
with nukes. It has FINALLY secured the first 2 years' of waste it
generated 70 years ago. Only 68 years' of waste to go.

Secondly, you need to figure that, if we decided to build a nuke
tomorrow, it would be 20 years before one was built, commissioned and
generating useful power. Now, look at this graph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#/media/File:3-Learning-curves-for-electricity-prices.png

Look at the relative cost trends. Nukes are headed one way and Solar is
headed the other way. In 20 years, how much will Solar cost? I'm betting
on bugger-all.

>
> The French have been using this for decades without any major
> handicap.

**Yep. Thing is this: Australia has abundant Sunshine and crap-loads of
useless land.

>
> The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
> subducting tectonic plate.

**Bullshit. That is, like your other ideas, a complete crock of shit.

>
> The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.

**They could. In TWENTY YEARS. Maybe.

>
> And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
> useful employment!

**Not really. There are many problems to be dealt with. And, by "Cult",
I assume you mean SCIENTISTS.

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:58:07 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 09:32:35 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:03:03 +1000, Peter Jason <p...@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>> >>> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>> >>> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>> >>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels....so
>> >>> why
>> >>> >> aren't we making the switch?"
>> >>> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
>> >>> reality
>> >>> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the
>> >>> Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's
>> >>> energy problems for all for all time.
>> >>> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own,
>> >>> was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when
>> the
>> >>> Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your
>> service.
>> >>> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>> >>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by
>> the
>> >>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>> >> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the
>> hydrogen
>> >> economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
>> >> He was not the etc etc you wrote.
>> >> It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>> >>
>> >> Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen..
>> >> Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
>> >> From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are
>> >> flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
>> >>
>> >>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>> >>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>> >>> air?
>> >>
>> >> Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the
>> >> consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
>> >> and our paper
>> >> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
>> >> Abstract:
>> >> The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature
>> >> about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to
>> wasted
>> >> surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of
>> >> renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new
>> >> “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and
>> >> universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection,
>> >> storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from
>> locally
>> >> surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy
>> >> with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and
>> >> sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen
>> >> Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available,
>> >> cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached
>> by
>> >> the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local
>> >> by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing
>> >> either a graceful degradation of the
>> >> currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or
>> >> mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course
>> this
>> >> proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel
>> >> energy usage to renewable energy usage.
>> >>> 3/ Low energy density?
>> >> Irrelevant with above
>> >>> 4/ etc.
>> >> H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is
>> >> not polluting but pure water.
>> >>>
>> >>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>> >>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>> >> I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am
>> >> afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to
>> the
>> >> left.
>> >
>> > Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
>> > true.
>> >
>> > NUCLEAR POWER.
>> >
>> > The French have been using this for decades without any major
>> > handicap.
>> >
>> > The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
>> > subducting tectonic plate.
>> Of kept until it makes economic sense to reprocess
>> it instead of using new uranium given that very little
>> of the uranium is actually consumed.
>> > The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.
>>
>> > And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
>> > useful employment!
>> Not possible for them to find useful employment, they
>> are completely unemployable just like the curry muncher.
>
> When the stupid and evil scums in charge finally die off therer is hope
> for my good new ideas.

Not a chance.

> Latest experiments (2022) showing my invention of a new kind of rail gun
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtyOMbgiZ0

How odd that NO ONE takes any notice of your mindless shit.

> Which is improved upon in, and its potential for ejecting matter into
> near space , and horizontal tunneling shown in
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pjy0Wvujs&t=19s

Fat lot of use that is.

<reams of even sillier shit flushed where it belongs>

On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:03:52 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 07:03:10 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>> >> >> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>> >> >> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so
>> why
>> >> >> aren't we making the switch?"
>> >> >> ~~~~ ~~~~
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
>> reality
>> >> >> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>> >> >
>> >> >Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the
>> Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's
>> energy problems for all for all time.
>> >> >Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own,
>> was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the
>> Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your
>> service.
>> >> >Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>> >> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>> >> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
>> >No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the
>> hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
>> >He was not the etc etc you wrote.
>> >It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
>> >>
>> >> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
>> >
>> >Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen.
>> >Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
>> >From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are
>> flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
>> >
>> >> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>> >> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>> >> air?
>> >
>> >Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to the
>> consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
>> >and our paper
>> >https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
>> >Abstract:
>> >The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature
>> about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted
>> surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of
>> renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new
>> “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and
>> universal manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection,
>> storage and distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally
>> surplus energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy
>> with widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and
>> sinks. The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen
>> Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available,
>> cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by
>> the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local
>> by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing
>> either a graceful degradation of the
>> >currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or
>> mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this
>> proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel
>> energy usage to renewable energy usage.
>> >> 3/ Low energy density?
>> >Irrelevant with above
>> >> 4/ etc.
>> >H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output is
>> not polluting but pure water.
>> >>
>> >> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>> >> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
>> >I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am
>> afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the
>> left.
>> Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
>> true.
>>
>> NUCLEAR POWER.
>>
>> The French have been using this for decades without any major
>> handicap.

> Not the Japanese.

That was completely trivially avoidable.

> Nuclear power in Siberia is a good idea, though. They can convert the
> ice to hydrogen and put it in the HTN.

Makes absolutely no sense to go that route.

>> The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
>> subducting tectonic plate.
>>
>> The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.
>
> Since no one wants a nuclear plant next door,

The french don't mind a bit.

> the grid has to be extended to distant places,

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> with transmission losses, water issues, etc.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> Large solar panels all over the place, is a better choice.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> Better is to convert the electricity into hydrogen,

No one is actually that stupid, for a reason.

> and pump the hydrogen into remote areas

No one is actually that stupid, for a reason.

> where it will become energy plus pure water.

Just another mindless pig ignorant lie.

> Now, this is too good a idea for the ruling idiots (both to the left and
> to the right) to understand.

Just another mindless pig ignorant lie.

>> And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
>> useful employment!

> They are uselessly employed in universities and research organisations,
> media, politics, etc.

And fools like you are completely unemployable.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 18:22:46 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 19/06/2023 12:10 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>>>> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
>>>> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
>>>>
>>>> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so why
>>>> aren't we making the switch?"
>>>> ~~~~ ~~~~
>>>>
>>>> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
>>>> reality
>>>> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
>>>
>>> Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the Hydrogen
>>> Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's energy
>>> problems for all for all time.
>>> Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my own,
>>> was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when the
>>> Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
>>>>
>>>> -- The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.
>>> Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by the
>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.

> Wrong:

Yes you are, as always.

> https://www.wsj.com/articles/japans-big-bet-on-hydrogen-could-revolutionize-the-energy-market-11623607695

Just because some fool journo claims something...

>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?

> Electrolysis is the usual method.

>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
>> air?

> As ammonia.

How odd that NO ONE is actually doing that.
>
>> 3/ Low energy density?

> It is certainly lower than petrol, but better than batteries.

Not when you include what it is stored in.

>> 4/ etc.
>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.

> That would, of course, be insane.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 18:46:16 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 20/06/2023 7:03 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> > <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 12:10:11 UTC+10, Peter Jason wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 10:07:04 UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
> >>>>> *Green Energy Is Cheaper…So Why Aren’t We Using It?*
> >>>>> /Second Thought, 1.57M subscribers, 113,931 views 17 Jun 2023/
> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Solar energy is cheaper and more abundant than fossil fuels...so
> why
> >>>>> aren't we making the switch?"
> >>>>> ~~~~ ~~~~
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As usual the capitalist corporate sector has its own version of
> reality
> >>>>> ... bugger all normal humans and the planet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Idiots to the right; idiots to the left; so no takers for the
> Hydrogen Transmission Network, that will greenly solve the world's
> energy problems for all for all time.
> >>>> Htnresearch.com provides details. I am suppised to do it on my
> own, was the message from Canberra. Well, if the right time comes when
> the Heavens give the go-ahead, I will try.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your
> service.
> >>>> Just a cowardly kill-filing orPooch.
> >>> Rubbish! Hydrogen is a pipe dream, and a red herring concocted by
> the
> >>> loony left, hippies, dole recipients, and university graduates.
> >> No, it was George Bush 2 who talked about the necessity of the
> hydrogen economy, the one good thing he did in his life.
> >> He was not the etc etc you wrote.
> >> It is Elon Musk who is against Hydrogen.
> >>>
> >>> 1/ How do you make the stuff?
> >>
> >> Electrolysis, using solar power and oceans, no end to the hydrogen..
> >> Convert bio-mass, this is done in Japan I was told.
> >>From coal, pass over heated coal, you get CO and H2. Both are
> flammable, use CO to burn up more coal and get the hydrogen.
> >>
> >>> 2/ How do you contain it given its low density, close-to-zero
> >>> liquifation temp, metal embrittlement, and wide explosive limits in
> >>> air?
> >>
> >> Don't contain it for long, transport it as soon as it is there to
> the consumers with the HTN. see above link for details.
> >> and our paper
> >> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7399250
> >> Abstract:
> >> The perfect control over energy generation is one attractive feature
> about fossil fuels. Randomness in energy generation, leading to wasted
> surpluses or long-spaced shortages, is an inescapable feature of
> renewable sources leading to inefficiency. This paper proposes a new
> “load-balancing” method to solve in the most comprehensive and universal
> manner the outstanding issues relating to the collection, storage and
> distribution of energy. Here hydrogen created from locally surplus
> energies is not just the fuel but also the carrier of energy with
> widespread hydrogen piping systems linking multiple sources and sinks.
> The outcome from the implementation of this proposed “Hydrogen
> Transmission Network” technology will primarily result in available,
> cheap and in theory unlimited energy in remote areas not yet reached by
> the electricity grid. Pure water and oxygen will be the local
> by-products. Populated areas will be influenced over time; allowing
> either a graceful degradation of the
> >> currently established high voltage power distribution systems, or
> mutually supportive existences. It is expected that in due course this
> proposed technology will reverse the current ratio of fossil fuel energy
> usage to renewable energy usage.
> >>> 3/ Low energy density?
> >> Irrelevant with above
> >>> 4/ etc.
> >> H2 will power all devices in the most green fashion, as its output
> is not polluting but pure water.
> >>>
> >>> There is a solution to the "Global warming" situation; just liquefy
> >>> the CO2 and ship it Mars, a planet in need of warming.
> >> I hope you are joking, but as you seem to be a Musk disciple, I am
> afraid I could be right about the idiots to the right and idiots to the
> left.
> >
> > Why bother with all this when there's already a power source tried and
> > true.
> >
> > NUCLEAR POWER.
>
> Dumb idea. On so many levels.

The French just laugh in your stupid face, for a reason.

> FIRST, you have to specify where you can store the high level waste,
> SECURELY, for the next few million years.

No high level waste lasts for a few million years, fool.

And storing it until it makes economic sense to reprocess it doesnt
take anything even remotely like a few million years, fool.

> Who pays for the security?

Those that use the electricity produced by the nukes.

> Hint: It will be the poor old taxpayers.

Nope, not with power generation nukes.

> The US has the most experience with nukes. It has FINALLY secured the
> first 2 years' of waste it generated 70 years ago. Only 68 years' of
> waste to go.

How odd that it has been securely stored for 70 years.

> Secondly, you need to figure that, if we decided to build a nuke
> tomorrow, it would be 20 years before one was built, commissioned and
> generating useful power.

China doesnt take anything even remotely like that long
and the french never did either with their original nukes.

> Now, look at this graph:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#/media/File:3-Learning-curves-for-electricity-prices.png

Just because some fool claims something using utterly bogus
costs for nukes when they have passed their useby dates...

> Look at the relative cost trends. Nukes are headed one way and Solar is
> headed the other way. In 20 years, how much will Solar cost? I'm betting
> on bugger-all.

More fool you.

> > The French have been using this for decades without any major
> > handicap.
>
> Yep. Thing is this: Australia has abundant Sunshine and crap-loads of
> useless land.

Pity that the solar only works very well for at most 8 hours a day.

> > The "nuclear waste" can be disposed of by dumping at the boundary of a
> > subducting tectonic plate.

> Bullshit. That is, like your other ideas, a complete crock of shit.

There you go again, face down in the mud, as always.

> > The nuclear plants can just be plugged into the existing grid.

> They could. In TWENTY YEARS. Maybe.

China and France that that is just more of your completely mindless
bullshit.

> > And all members of the Global Warming Cult can bugger off and find
> > useful employment!

> Not really. There are many problems to be dealt with. And, by "Cult", I
> assume you mean SCIENTISTS.

Just more of your mindless bullshit.