Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
won't keep BIOS settings
to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
No bloody wonder.
Get fucked Toshiba.

Am Mittwoch, 06. April 2022, um 19:37:16 Uhr schrieb Troll Farms pay
20c:

> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
> won't keep BIOS settings
> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out
> everything to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery,
> hearing aid size. No bloody wonder.
> Get fucked Toshiba.

Normal on many laptops.
I have a Siemens Celsius 210, I also need to remove many parts to
exchange the battery. I also have an HP ZBook where the battery can be
replaced within 1 Minute - just 1 screw needs to be screwed out to open
the cover.

Troll Farms pay 20c <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote

> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
> won't keep BIOS settings
> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
> No bloody wonder.
> Get fucked Toshiba.

They are the ones that fucked you because you
were too stupid to check that before buying it.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:37:16 +0800, Troll Farms pay 20c
<boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote:

>Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>won't keep BIOS settings
>to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
>to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
>No bloody wonder.
>Get fucked Toshiba.
>
Gave up on laptops years ago, opt for a touchscreen all in one PC.
If "push comes to shove" not that hard to put in car and take with
you.
For a portable I use a "Tablet" much cheaper
--
Petzl
The Donald succeeding as president in face of Left media Trump Derangement Syndrome.
These people need help!
The lefties are all there trying to pile their crap on Trump saying he's no good.
Here's a bloke who has made a fortune in the toughest property market in the world, Manhattan.
He was top rating with his apprentice show, in the toughest TV market in the world the United States.
He beat all those Governors, Senators and sons of Presidents in the presidents primaries
for the Republican party, then he beat the revered Clinton machine.
He has raised a beautiful family, his children are a wonderful tribute to him,
"they all" say he is a hopeless failure?
On top of that he's married to Miss World.
So what have you got to do in life,
what have you got to do by these rotten miserable mongrels
in "our" media on the left, what have you got to do?

The Clinton and Bush era of the last 30 years is about to come
to an end in light of the sudden Saudi Arabian purge of Clinton
and Bush allies.

Troll Farms pay 20c <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote:
> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
> won't keep BIOS settings
> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
> No bloody wonder.
> Get fucked Toshiba.

Yeah laptop designers can be pretty inconsiderate with the BIOS
battery placement, but at least it sounds like they didn't solder
that one directly to the motherboard. Often when a small battery
is used, connected with wires, a 2032 can be fit in for the
replacement.

Toshiba also have a history of trying to clamp down on people
sharing the official service manuals online, just to make it even
harder.

Still on the design front they're not the only ones who make it
hard. Some Lenovo notebooks make the BIOS battery relatively easy
to reach, but it's wedged between the motherboard and the laptop's
frame so tight that it's damn hard to shift.

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

On 7/04/2022 7:24 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:37:16 +0800, Troll Farms pay 20c
> <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote:
>
>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>> won't keep BIOS settings
>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
>> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
>> No bloody wonder.
>> Get fucked Toshiba.
>>
> Gave up on laptops years ago, opt for a touchscreen all in one PC.
> If "push comes to shove" not that hard to put in car and take with
> you.
> For a portable I use a "Tablet" much cheaper

Do you use the tablet when watching TV?

On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 18:48:52 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>On 7/04/2022 7:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:37:16 +0800, Troll Farms pay 20c
>> <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>>> won't keep BIOS settings
>>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
>>> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
>>> No bloody wonder.
>>> Get fucked Toshiba.
>>>
>> Gave up on laptops years ago, opt for a touchscreen all in one PC.
>> If "push comes to shove" not that hard to put in car and take with
>> you.
>> For a portable I use a "Tablet" much cheaper
>
>Do you use the tablet when watching TV?
>
Use my all in one, much better sits on a kitchen chair beside me,
My big screen TV is mounted on shelve near ceiling,
above my computer screen
--
Petzl
Australian's continue to vote for and believe slogans?

"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
Thank you " Anthony Albanese

On 7/04/2022 9:10 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Troll Farms pay 20c <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote:
>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>> won't keep BIOS settings
>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
>> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
>> No bloody wonder.
>> Get fucked Toshiba.
> Yeah laptop designers can be pretty inconsiderate with the BIOS
> battery placement, but at least it sounds like they didn't solder
> that one directly to the motherboard. Often when a small battery
> is used, connected with wires, a 2032 can be fit in for the
> replacement.
>
> Toshiba also have a history of trying to clamp down on people
> sharing the official service manuals online, just to make it even
> harder.
>
> Still on the design front they're not the only ones who make it
> hard. Some Lenovo notebooks make the BIOS battery relatively easy
> to reach, but it's wedged between the motherboard and the laptop's
> frame so tight that it's damn hard to shift.
>

Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop that
had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it to W10
which it coped with quite.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> Computer Nerd Kev wrote
>> Troll Farms pay 20c <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote

>>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>>> won't keep BIOS settings
>>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out
>>> everything
>>> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid
>>> size.
>>> No bloody wonder.
>>> Get fucked Toshiba.
>> Yeah laptop designers can be pretty inconsiderate with the BIOS
>> battery placement, but at least it sounds like they didn't solder
>> that one directly to the motherboard. Often when a small battery
>> is used, connected with wires, a 2032 can be fit in for the
>> replacement.
>>
>> Toshiba also have a history of trying to clamp down on people
>> sharing the official service manuals online, just to make it even
>> harder.
>>
>> Still on the design front they're not the only ones who make it
>> hard. Some Lenovo notebooks make the BIOS battery relatively easy
>> to reach, but it's wedged between the motherboard and the laptop's
>> frame so tight that it's damn hard to shift.

> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop.

Gets harder with the stupid fad of ultra thin laptops.

> I had an old laptop that had removable panels for access to the HD and
> RAM. I upgraded it to W10 which it coped with quite.

On 8/4/2022 1:54 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote
>>> Troll Farms pay 20c <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote
>
>>>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>>>> won't keep BIOS settings
>>>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out
>>>> everything
>>>> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid
>>>> size.
>>>> No bloody wonder.
>>>> Get fucked Toshiba.
>>> Yeah laptop designers can be pretty inconsiderate with the BIOS
>>> battery placement, but at least it sounds like they didn't solder
>>> that one directly to the motherboard. Often when a small battery
>>> is used, connected with wires, a 2032 can be fit in for the
>>> replacement.
>>>
>>> Toshiba also have a history of trying to clamp down on people
>>> sharing the official service manuals online, just to make it even
>>> harder.
>>>
>>> Still on the design front they're not the only ones who make it
>>> hard. Some Lenovo notebooks make the BIOS battery relatively easy
>>> to reach, but it's wedged between the motherboard and the laptop's
>>> frame so tight that it's damn hard to shift.
>
>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop.
>
> Gets harder with the stupid fad of ultra thin laptops.

Yep, wouldn't like to be doing a battery replacement on my Macbook Air
any time soon.
>
>> I had an old laptop that had removable panels for access to the HD and
>> RAM. I upgraded it to W10 which it coped with quite.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:

> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
> to W10 which it coped with quite.

Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).

On 8/04/2022 1:54 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote
>>> Troll Farms pay 20c <boohoo@suckshit.net> wrote
>
>>>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>>>> won't keep BIOS settings
>>>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out
>>>> everything
>>>> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid
>>>> size.
>>>> No bloody wonder.
>>>> Get fucked Toshiba.
>>> Yeah laptop designers can be pretty inconsiderate with the BIOS
>>> battery placement, but at least it sounds like they didn't solder
>>> that one directly to the motherboard. Often when a small battery
>>> is used, connected with wires, a 2032 can be fit in for the
>>> replacement.
>>>
>>> Toshiba also have a history of trying to clamp down on people
>>> sharing the official service manuals online, just to make it even
>>> harder.
>>>
>>> Still on the design front they're not the only ones who make it
>>> hard. Some Lenovo notebooks make the BIOS battery relatively easy
>>> to reach, but it's wedged between the motherboard and the laptop's
>>> frame so tight that it's damn hard to shift.
>
>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop.
>
> Gets harder with the stupid fad of ultra thin laptops.

yes

>
>> I had an old laptop that had removable panels for access to the HD
>> and RAM. I upgraded it to W10 which it coped with quite.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 8/04/2022 3:41 pm, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>
>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
> Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
> thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
> controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>

where do you get them? I've never seen anything like that

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 20:24:46 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:

> On 8/04/2022 3:41 pm, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
> >
> >> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
> >> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
> >> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded
> >> it to W10 which it coped with quite.
> > Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There
> > are thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD,
> > WLAN/WWAN controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
> >
>
> where do you get them? I've never seen anything like that

Just search eBay for HP ZBook. I personally have a ZBook 15 Gen 1. 2
RAM slots are accessible directly via the cover, the other 2 are inside
and need many screw to be removed, but still possible.

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 07:41:23 +0200, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:

>Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>
>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
>
>Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
>thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
>controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>
What do they weigh?
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 20:24:46 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 8/04/2022 3:41 pm, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>>
>>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
>> Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
>> thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
>> controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>>
>
>where do you get them? I've never seen anything like that
>
Maybe you wouldn't want one?
The Schools "Free Laptop" were these and were extremely heavy.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 22:37:15 Uhr schrieb Petzl:

> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 07:41:23 +0200, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>
> >Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
> >
> >> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
> >> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
> >> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded
> >> it to W10 which it coped with quite.
> >
> >Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There
> >are thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD,
> >WLAN/WWAN controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
> >
> What do they weigh?

About 3 kg.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 20:24:46 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 8/04/2022 3:41 pm, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>>
>>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
>> Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
>> thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
>> controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).

> where do you get them?

https://www.google.com/search?q=hp+zbook&tbm=shop

> I've never seen anything like that

You could get real radical and use google.

Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>
>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
>
> Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
> thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
> controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>
there are also System 76, Purism and Framework that have good access for
hardware upgrades... but rather hard to find in Australia.

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 15:56:51 +0200, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:

>Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 22:37:15 Uhr schrieb Petzl:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 07:41:23 +0200, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> >Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>> >
>> >> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> >> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>> >> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded
>> >> it to W10 which it coped with quite.
>> >
>> >Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There
>> >are thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD,
>> >WLAN/WWAN controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>> >
>> What do they weigh?
>
>About 3 kg.
>
Thanks
I would say that's "weighty" if you have to carry it every where.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 15:56:51 +0200, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:

>Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 22:37:15 Uhr schrieb Petzl:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 07:41:23 +0200, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> >Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>> >
>> >> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> >> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>> >> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded
>> >> it to W10 which it coped with quite.
>> >
>> >Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There
>> >are thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD,
>> >WLAN/WWAN controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>> >
>> What do they weigh?
>
>About 3 kg.
>
Actually just looked one up it's just 420 grams
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03934138>
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>
>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
>
> Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
> thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
> controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).

Going further yet are some emerging open-source laptop brands such
as the MNT Reform:
https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-personal-computer.html

Unlike the HP ZBooks and similar, they're not high performance, but
repair and upgrade options go a lot further than just retaining all
the access covers that all laptops used to have before they got
obsessed with being slim and light. Either way we're probably
talking about more expensive stuff than the average cheap Toshiba
laptop buyer is likely to consider.

--
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#_ < |\| |< _#

On 09/04/2022 09:52, Gunnar Magnusson wrote:
> Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 08. April 2022, um 10:46:40 Uhr schrieb Yosemite Sam:
>>
>>> Laptops should be made with access to parts that need replacement
>>> without the necessity to dissemble the laptop. I had an old laptop
>>> that had removable panels for access to the HD and RAM. I upgraded it
>>> to W10 which it coped with quite.
>>
>> Such are still available, mostly called mobile workstations. There are
>> thick and mostly have easy removable covers for RAM, HDD, WLAN/WWAN
>> controller and CMOS battery (at least HP ZBook has that).
>>
> there are also System 76, Purism and Framework that have good access for
> hardware upgrades... but rather hard to find in Australia.

This mob in WA have a range that can be played with:
<https://www.affordablelaptops.com.au>.

The shop Oz-wide free, too.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On 6/04/2022 9:37 pm, Troll Farms pay 20c wrote:
> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
> won't keep BIOS settings
> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out everything
> to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery, hearing aid size.
> No bloody wonder.
> Get fucked Toshiba.

Can you get a laptop fixed on warranty if the casing breaks?

On 9/04/2022 3:16 pm, Max wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 9:37 pm, Troll Farms pay 20c wrote:
>> Exhibit A: Toshiba Shatellite
>> won't keep BIOS settings
>> to change the CMOS battery takes 25 minutes, have to tear out
>> everything to get at it (apart from screen). It is a tiny battery,
>> hearing aid size.
>> No bloody wonder.
>> Get fucked Toshiba.
>
> Can you get a laptop fixed on warranty if the casing breaks?

The laptop works otherwise.