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* Two months coal leftmartin.coffee
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`* Two months coal leftJGD
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 by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Fri, 4 Mar 2022 15:10 UTC

Make the most of your steam trips this spring

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-faces-coal-crisis-after-russian-supplies-end-3596907

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From: charlese...@btinternet.com (Charles Ellson)
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 by: Charles Ellson - Fri, 4 Mar 2022 19:21 UTC

On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 18:46:35 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 15:10:21 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk
>wrote:
>
>>Make the most of your steam trips this spring
>>
>>https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-faces-coal-crisis-after-russian-supplies-end-3596907
>Did not work for me.
>
>I know there are no traditional coal mines or pits, but do we still
>extract opencast coal in the UK?
>
There are still a few small operations :-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal_mines_in_the_United_Kingdom

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 by: JGD - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:58 UTC

On 04/03/2022 15:10, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> Make the most of your steam trips this spring
>
> https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-faces-coal-crisis-after-russian-supplies-end-3596907
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VraSUVfGyq8 is relevant

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 21:22 UTC

JGD <news@prodata.co.uk> wrote:
> On 04/03/2022 15:10, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> Make the most of your steam trips this spring
>>
>> https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-faces-coal-crisis-after-russian-supplies-end-3596907
>>
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VraSUVfGyq8 is relevant
>

Thanks, very interesting.

I wonder what coal Flying Scotsman was using last Saturday?

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 by: JGD - Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:11 UTC

And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo

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 by: ColinR - Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:39 UTC

On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo

The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion. I
wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their coal
come to the UK via Russia?
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>

--
Colin

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From: hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk (hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk)
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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 01:55 UTC

On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>
> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion. I
> wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their coal
> come to the UK via Russia?
> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>
>
It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I think
also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach those ports,
for a plethora of reasons.

Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to Baku
and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of transloading.

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 by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:41 UTC

On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>
>> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion. I
>> wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their coal
>> come to the UK via Russia?
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>
>>
> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I think
> also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach those ports,
> for a plethora of reasons.
>
> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to Baku
> and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of transloading.

Is there a route they could be containerised?

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 by: Graeme Wall - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:53 UTC

On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>
>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion. I
>>> wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their coal
>>> come to the UK via Russia?
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>
>>>
>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>> think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach those
>> ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>
>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to
>> Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>> transloading.
>
> Is there a route they could be containerised?

Don't think I've come across containerised coal.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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 by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:08 UTC

On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>>
>>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion. I
>>>> wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their
>>>> coal come to the UK via Russia?
>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>>> think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach those
>>> ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>>
>>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to
>>> Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>>> transloading.
>>
>> Is there a route they could be containerised?
>
> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
> They exist:-
https://www.rotainer.com/coantainer.html

They would solve part of the transhipment problem. I think this is the
way the steam operators may have to go. I suspect some of the larger
preserved could use a couple of containers worth each year.

I remember seeing mention of a UK experiment with them some years ago.

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 by: Graeme Wall - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:33 UTC

On 16/03/2022 13:08, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>>>
>>>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion.
>>>>> I wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their
>>>>> coal come to the UK via Russia?
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>>>> think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach
>>>> those ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to
>>>> Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>>>> transloading.
>>>
>>> Is there a route they could be containerised?
>>
>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>> They exist:-
> https://www.rotainer.com/coantainer.html
>
> They would solve part of the transhipment problem.  I think this is the
> way the steam operators may have to go.  I suspect some of the larger
> preserved could use a couple of containers worth each year.
>
> I remember seeing mention of a UK experiment with them some years ago.

The main problem would be finding coal producers that had container
handling equipment. I would imagine its currently a fairly niche market.

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 by: Roland Perry - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:27 UTC

In message <t0sml2$37n$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:53:54 on Wed, 16 Mar
2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>>
>>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion.
>>>>I wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their
>>>>coal come to the UK via Russia?

>>>>
>>>><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ens
>>>>ure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>>
>>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>>>think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach those
>>>ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>>
>>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to
>>>Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>>>transloading.

>> Is there a route they could be containerised?
>
>Don't think I've come across containerised coal.

I'd have thought you could containerise 20kg bags of coal. It's
definitely available in 1,000kg palettes (50 bags).
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 by: ColinR - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 16:27 UTC

On 16/03/2022 13:33, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 13:08, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian invasion.
>>>>>> I wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source or did their
>>>>>> coal come to the UK via Russia?
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>>>>> think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach
>>>>> those ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to
>>>>> Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>>>>> transloading.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a route they could be containerised?
>>>
>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>> They exist:-
>> https://www.rotainer.com/coantainer.html
>>
>> They would solve part of the transhipment problem.  I think this is
>> the way the steam operators may have to go.  I suspect some of the
>> larger preserved could use a couple of containers worth each year.
>>
>> I remember seeing mention of a UK experiment with them some years ago.
>
> The main problem would be finding coal producers that had container
> handling equipment. I would imagine its currently a fairly niche market.
>

Seems to be a solved problem:
https://www.railwaygazette.com/freight/containerising-coal-simplifies-the-break-of-gauge/58370.article
https://www.drycargomag.com/transcontainer-to-move-coal-by-container

May well be others?

--
Colin

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 by: Graeme Wall - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:12 UTC

On 16/03/2022 16:27, ColinR wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 13:33, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 13:08, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>>>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian
>>>>>>> invasion. I wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source
>>>>>>> or did their coal come to the UK via Russia?
>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>>>>>> think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach
>>>>>> those ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian to
>>>>>> Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>>>>>> transloading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a route they could be containerised?
>>>>
>>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>>> They exist:-
>>> https://www.rotainer.com/coantainer.html
>>>
>>> They would solve part of the transhipment problem.  I think this is
>>> the way the steam operators may have to go.  I suspect some of the
>>> larger preserved could use a couple of containers worth each year.
>>>
>>> I remember seeing mention of a UK experiment with them some years ago.
>>
>> The main problem would be finding coal producers that had container
>> handling equipment. I would imagine its currently a fairly niche market.
>>
>
> Seems to be a solved problem:
> https://www.railwaygazette.com/freight/containerising-coal-simplifies-the-break-of-gauge/58370.article
>
> https://www.drycargomag.com/transcontainer-to-move-coal-by-container
>
> May well be others?
>

One, currently major, snag. That's Russian coal which is not wanted!

--
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 by: Arthur Figgis - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:30 UTC

On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:

> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.

There is/was some across the 1520/1435 border into China.

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 by: Adrian - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:44 UTC

In message <t0sml2$37n$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> writes
>Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cawoodcontainer

I think (happy to be proved wrong), that they were originally used for
sending British coal to Ireland.

Adrian
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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 21:56 UTC

On 16/03/2022 18:30, Arthur Figgis wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>
> There is/was some across the 1520/1435 border into China.
>
>
Into Kazakhstan, you mean?

Is there not a potential concern of fire if the coal is put in an
enclosed box, in any event?

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 by: ColinR - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 21:57 UTC

On 16/03/2022 17:12, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 16:27, ColinR wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 13:33, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2022 13:08, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> On 16/03/2022 12:41, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/03/2022 01:55, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 22:11, JGD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> And a further follow-up, this time on the eco-coal:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9TEzXSAyo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The following article was published prior to the Russian
>>>>>>>> invasion. I wonder if Khazakstan is still available as a source
>>>>>>>> or did their coal come to the UK via Russia?
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/16/coals-kazakhstan-way-ensure-heritage-railway-cornwall-stays/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It normally did come via Russia and went to Black Sea ports and I
>>>>>>> think also to Kaliningrad. But boats are now loathe to approach
>>>>>>> those ports, for a plethora of reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shipments could go via Aktau or Turkmenbashi across the Caspian
>>>>>>> to Baku and then onward to Kars, but that would require a lot of
>>>>>>> transloading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a route they could be containerised?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>>>> They exist:-
>>>> https://www.rotainer.com/coantainer.html
>>>>
>>>> They would solve part of the transhipment problem.  I think this is
>>>> the way the steam operators may have to go.  I suspect some of the
>>>> larger preserved could use a couple of containers worth each year.
>>>>
>>>> I remember seeing mention of a UK experiment with them some years ago.
>>>
>>> The main problem would be finding coal producers that had container
>>> handling equipment. I would imagine its currently a fairly niche market.
>>>
>>
>> Seems to be a solved problem:
>> https://www.railwaygazette.com/freight/containerising-coal-simplifies-the-break-of-gauge/58370.article
>>
>> https://www.drycargomag.com/transcontainer-to-move-coal-by-container
>>
>> May well be others?
>>
>
> One, currently major, snag. That's Russian coal which is not wanted!
>

Agree, it was the principle of containerising coal, not the current
practicability!!

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 by: ColinR - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 22:03 UTC

On 16/03/2022 21:56, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 18:30, Arthur Figgis wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>
>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>
>> There is/was some across the 1520/1435 border into China.
>>
>>
> Into Kazakhstan, you mean?
>
> Is there not a potential concern of  fire if the coal is put in an
> enclosed box, in any event?

Yes. Following is maritime guidance with much larger quantities, but the
general principles will be the same.
https://bulkcarrierguide.com/coal-special-precautions.html

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 by: Nigel Emery - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 22:59 UTC

On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:53:54 +0000, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Don't think I've come across containerised coal.

I'm surprised. It existed it in the UK until recently (for some value
of recently). Usually know as the Cawoods here's a train at Healey
Mills probably heading to Liverpool or Ellesmere Port with export
containerized coal for Ireland (Northern Ireland I think)

https://photorail.zenfolio.com/p778067731/h552fb32#h552fb32

Close up of the container. It's effectively a 20" with an open top.

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cawoodcontainer/hAE59166#hae59166

And if you wants models!

https://accurascale.co.uk/collections/wagons/livery_cawoods?

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 by: Graeme Wall - Thu, 17 Mar 2022 08:36 UTC

On 16/03/2022 22:59, Nigel Emery wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:53:54 +0000, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>
> I'm surprised. It existed it in the UK until recently (for some value
> of recently). Usually know as the Cawoods here's a train at Healey
> Mills probably heading to Liverpool or Ellesmere Port with export
> containerized coal for Ireland (Northern Ireland I think)
>
> https://photorail.zenfolio.com/p778067731/h552fb32#h552fb32
>
> Close up of the container. It's effectively a 20" with an open top.
>
> https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cawoodcontainer/hAE59166#hae59166
>
> And if you wants models!
>
> https://accurascale.co.uk/collections/wagons/livery_cawoods?
>
>

If it moves on rails, someone, somewhere has made a model of it!

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 by: Sam Wilson - Thu, 17 Mar 2022 09:47 UTC

ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 21:56, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 18:30, Arthur Figgis wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>>
>>> There is/was some across the 1520/1435 border into China.
>>>
>>>
>> Into Kazakhstan, you mean?
>>
>> Is there not a potential concern of  fire if the coal is put in an
>> enclosed box, in any event?
>
> Yes. Following is maritime guidance with much larger quantities, but the
> general principles will be the same.
> https://bulkcarrierguide.com/coal-special-precautions.html

That document seems to have gained an extraneous paragraph, the one
beginning “Avoid all unnecessary handling, even the removal of wet
clothing…”

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 by: Arthur Figgis - Thu, 17 Mar 2022 19:29 UTC

On 16/03/2022 21:56, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 18:30, Arthur Figgis wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>
>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>
>> There is/was some across the 1520/1435 border into China.
>>
>>
> Into Kazakhstan, you mean?

From Russia to China. Someone else had a link further up:
https://www.railwaygazette.com/freight/containerising-coal-simplifies-the-break-of-gauge/58370.article
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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 02:02 UTC

On 17/03/2022 19:29, Arthur Figgis wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 21:56, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On 16/03/2022 18:30, Arthur Figgis wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2022 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't think I've come across containerised coal.
>>>
>>> There is/was some across the 1520/1435 border into China.
>>>
>>>
>> Into Kazakhstan, you mean?
>
> From Russia to China. Someone else had a link further up:
> https://www.railwaygazette.com/freight/containerising-coal-simplifies-the-break-of-gauge/58370.article
>

I think that it would perhaps be easier to go further east on the
Transsib, from where there are direct connections into China by boat and
rail.

AFAIK, a lot of coal going to China and the wider APAC is coking coal.
There is a rail link to the Elgin mine off the BAM, and shipments travel
that line several Russian Far East ports, such as Vladivostok, Nakohdka
and Posyet.

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