In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34 on
Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
><dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>
>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>
>>Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>house is now called Press Cottage.
>
>I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>doubt that that was the case.

Meanwhile, in the 1980's?
--
Roland Perry

On 25/02/2022 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34 on
> Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>>
>>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>>
>>> Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>> commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>> remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>> the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>> house is now called Press Cottage.
>>
>> I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>> definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>> doubt that that was the case.
>
> Meanwhile, in the 1980's?

I have a copy of the parish magazine in which my mother's obituary was
printed. This was early 1970s and very much professionally printed.

--
Colin

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:46:09 +0000, ColinR
<rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:

>On 25/02/2022 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34 on
>> Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>>>
>>>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>>>
>>>> Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>>> commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>>> remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>>> the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>>> house is now called Press Cottage.
>>>
>>> I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>>> definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>>> doubt that that was the case.
>>
>> Meanwhile, in the 1980's?
>
>I have a copy of the parish magazine in which my mother's obituary was
>printed. This was early 1970s and very much professionally printed.
>
The church I was sent to was printing its weekly newsletter on glossy
paper in the 1960s and before. A lot probably had the advantage of a
member of the congregation in the printing trade when more local
printers were around.

In message <svd0de$4lt$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:09 on Sat, 26 Feb
2022, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
>On 25/02/2022 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34
>>on Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>>>
>>>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>>>
>>>> Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>>> commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>>> remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>>> the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>>> house is now called Press Cottage.
>>>
>>> I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>>> definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>>> doubt that that was the case.

>> Meanwhile, in the 1980's?
>
>I have a copy of the parish magazine in which my mother's obituary was
>printed. This was early 1970s and very much professionally printed.

One swallow doesn't make a spring. I really can't imagine that a
professional printer would be forced out of business by losing the
trade in Parish Magazines (even if every parish had one).
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <svd0de$4lt$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:09 on Sat, 26 Feb
> 2022, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 25/02/2022 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34
>>> on Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
>>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>>>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>>>> commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>>>> remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>>>> the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>>>> house is now called Press Cottage.
>>>>
>>>> I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>>>> definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>>>> doubt that that was the case.
>
>>> Meanwhile, in the 1980's?
>>
>> I have a copy of the parish magazine in which my mother's obituary was
>> printed. This was early 1970s and very much professionally printed.
>
> One swallow doesn't make a spring. I really can't imagine that a
> professional printer would be forced out of business by losing the
> trade in Parish Magazines (even if every parish had one).

It’s easy to forget how much stuff was properly printed in the early 1980s
and before. For instance, all my university exam papers were
professionally printed (for a course with only 42 students, and we were the
largest year they’d ever had). They printed more than were needed, made
the spares up into books of past exam papers and sold them in the
university bookshop.

--
Jeremy Double

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <svd0de$4lt$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:09 on Sat, 26 Feb
> 2022, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 25/02/2022 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34
>>> on Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
>>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>>>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>>>> commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>>>> remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>>>> the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>>>> house is now called Press Cottage.
>>>>
>>>> I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>>>> definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>>>> doubt that that was the case.
>
>>> Meanwhile, in the 1980's?
>>
>> I have a copy of the parish magazine in which my mother's obituary was
>> printed. This was early 1970s and very much professionally printed.
>
> One swallow doesn't make a spring. I really can't imagine that a
> professional printer would be forced out of business by losing the
> trade in Parish Magazines (even if every parish had one).

I doubt any would have made a living on those alone anyway ,they would be
just one item undertaken the list of which be numerous. Not all things
would have been suitable for home or small office printing but that did not
stop some from trying, I recall some quite horrendous productions of
business cards and menus in the business’s I was working with.
A lot of the skill of a small jobbing printer was in the layout of such
items before the printing stage was reached and advice on what looked
correct. Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to be larger
than A4.
With the layout and design part of the job no longer required a lot of the
interest in running such a business was lost.

GH

In message <j83ml3F2esnU1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:32:03 on Mon, 28
Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <svd0de$4lt$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:09 on Sat, 26 Feb
>> 2022, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 25/02/2022 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <hl8h1hlm7c4c1e8q3pr28eneqhbq3t9pvb@4ax.com>, at 09:35:34
>>>> on Fri, 25 Feb 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:11:41 +0000, Dave Jackson
>>>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/02/2022 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> !!??  You don’t think Parish Magazines existed in the
>>>>>>>> typewriter+duplicator
>>>>>>>> era, or the literal cut and paste and photocopier era?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They might have done, but I don't think they provided much (if any)
>>>>>>> business for professional printing businesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our Parish Magazine, and many other local publications, was printed by a
>>>>>> commecial printer. His office is now a private residence, but I can
>>>>>> remember being lifted up by my father to peer through the window into
>>>>>> the press room to watch the machines at work. Needlessa to say, the
>>>>>> house is now called Press Cottage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just looked at an 1894 edition of our parish maazine. It was most
>>>>> definitely professionally printed, and I don't see whay anyone would
>>>>> doubt that that was the case.
>>
>>>> Meanwhile, in the 1980's?
>>>
>>> I have a copy of the parish magazine in which my mother's obituary was
>>> printed. This was early 1970s and very much professionally printed.
>>
>> One swallow doesn't make a spring. I really can't imagine that a
>> professional printer would be forced out of business by losing the
>> trade in Parish Magazines (even if every parish had one).
>
>I doubt any would have made a living on those alone anyway ,they would be
>just one item undertaken the list of which be numerous. Not all things
>would have been suitable for home or small office printing but that did not
>stop some from trying, I recall some quite horrendous productions of
>business cards and menus in the business’s I was working with.
>A lot of the skill of a small jobbing printer was in the layout of such
>items before the printing stage was reached and advice on what looked
>correct. Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to be larger
>than A4.
>With the layout and design part of the job no longer required a lot of the
>interest in running such a business was lost.

The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
"instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
.. Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to be larger
>> than A4.

>
> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.

covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
and sending them out to be printed.

GH

In message <j849tgF62sjU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:00:48 on Mon, 28
Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>. Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack

>>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to be larger
>>> than A4.
>
>> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
>> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
>> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
>
> covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
>and sending them out to be printed.

It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
been undertaken at all, let alone by going and briefing a traditional
letterpress printer to design and typeset it for the customer.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <j849tgF62sjU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:00:48 on Mon, 28
> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> . Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>
>>>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>>>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>>>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to be larger
>>>> than A4.
>>
>>> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
>>> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
>>> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
>>
>> covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
>> and sending them out to be printed.
>
> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
> misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
> instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
> been undertaken at all,

And often a more economical way to do it for even smaller runs than a
Parish Magazine,
Just because you can assign a teenage child to design invitations to a
family event and then print and cut them out on coloured A4 card using
expensive inkjet consumables doesn’t mean you should ,the end product will
still usually look tacky.
Of course back in the 90’s there was a novelty element in doing so as PC’s
were new and the colourful commercials from the likes of Compaq and
Gateway were busy promoting their wares
as an item a whole family could do things on and gave the impression the
household could do almost anything themselves .

GH

On 28/02/2022 16:53, Roland Perry wrote:
> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
> misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
> instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
> been undertaken at all

As I've already posted, our Parish Magazine was printed by a local
commecial printer. As Max Boyce used to say: I know 'cos I was there!
The chap retired in the late 1950s, and the Magazine went "downmarket"
being then produced on a Roneo dupricator from a typewriter stencil.
Perhaps you'll want to argue with that, too.
--
Dave,
Frodsham

In message <j84g2rF79anU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:46:03 on Mon, 28
Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <j849tgF62sjU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:00:48 on Mon, 28
>> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> . Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>>
>>>>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>>>>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>>>>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to
>>>>>be larger
>>>>> than A4.
>>>
>>>> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
>>>> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
>>>> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
>>>
>>> covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
>>> and sending them out to be printed.
>>
>> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
>> misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
>> instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
>> been undertaken at all,
>
>And often a more economical way to do it for even smaller runs than a
>Parish Magazine, Just because you can assign a teenage child to design
>invitations to a family event and then print and cut them out on
>coloured A4 card using expensive inkjet consumables doesn’t mean you
>should ,the end product will still usually look tacky.

A least they *have* an end product. Previously very few families would
have commissioned professionals to do that (apart perhaps for wedding
invitations).

>Of course back in the 90’s there was a novelty element in doing so as
>PC’s were new and the colourful commercials from the likes of Compaq
>and Gateway were busy promoting their wares as an item a whole family
>could do things on and gave the impression the household could do
>almost anything themselves .

And none of that is complicit in putting jobbing letterpress printers
out of business.
--
Roland Perry

In message <svj23v$qr$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:51:56 on Mon, 28 Feb 2022,
Dave Jackson <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> remarked:

>On 28/02/2022 16:53, Roland Perry wrote:

>> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
>>misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
>>instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
>>been undertaken at all
>
>As I've already posted, our Parish Magazine was printed by a local
>commecial printer. As Max Boyce used to say: I know 'cos I was there!
>The chap retired in the late 1950s, and the Magazine went "downmarket"
>being then produced on a Roneo dupricator from a typewriter stencil.
>Perhaps you'll want to argue with that, too.

I've never argued with the fact that *some* Parish magazines (rich
parishes perhaps, or maybe the guy was an ardent churchgoer, and this
was his contribution) would have had professionally printed magazines,
and that's why my comments has been misconstrued.

With the advent of desktop publishing, however, even a poor parish with
no professional printers in the congregation, had the opportunity to
produce something.

ps It's also unlikely he retired in anticipation of being made redundant
by technology which didn't arrive until twenty-five years later.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <j84g2rF79anU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:46:03 on Mon, 28
> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <j849tgF62sjU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:00:48 on Mon, 28
>>> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> . Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>>>
>>>>>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>>>>>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>>>>>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to
>>>>>> be larger
>>>>>> than A4.
>>>>
>>>>> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
>>>>> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
>>>>> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
>>>>
>>>> covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
>>>> and sending them out to be printed.
>>>
>>> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
>>> misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
>>> instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
>>> been undertaken at all,
>>
>> And often a more economical way to do it for even smaller runs than a
>> Parish Magazine, Just because you can assign a teenage child to design
>> invitations to a family event and then print and cut them out on
>> coloured A4 card using expensive inkjet consumables doesn’t mean you
>> should ,the end product will still usually look tacky.
>
> A least they *have* an end product. Previously very few families would
> have commissioned professionals to do that (apart perhaps for wedding
> invitations).
>
Some areas hung on to funeral /memorial cards for a longtime though others
have never heard of them.

When clearing the farmhouse I found a tin which contained examples from
family members who had died from the 1870’s to the 1950’s.

random examples

<https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2015/06/funeral-memorial-cards-as-a-genealogy-resource.html>

>> Of course back in the 90’s there was a novelty element in doing so as
>> PC’s were new and the colourful commercials from the likes of Compaq
>> and Gateway were busy promoting their wares as an item a whole family
>> could do things on and gave the impression the household could do
>> almost anything themselves .
>
> And none of that is complicit in putting jobbing letterpress printers
> out of business.

Jesus Christ , even when someone moves a topic along and in a direction
that roughly agrees with you on some points you still come back in an
argumentative way .
I’m done with you. You have become boring with your personality defect
that cannot countenance any discussion that doesn’t acknowledge your
absolute superiority on everything.
It looks more and more that you use this group not for interests in Rail
but just as a foundation for you to show off your argumentative personality
as a game to occupy your time in the way an old widow spends hours playing
solitaire because she is too much of a bore to find an opponent to play
chess.
And you have got worse in recent times, must be an ageing thing.Its
difficult to hold an intelligent conversation with some people suffering
from age related conditions and you look as if you are going that way
even though you are relatively young.

GH

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <j84g2rF79anU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:46:03 on Mon, 28
>> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <j849tgF62sjU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:00:48 on Mon, 28
>>>> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> . Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>>>>
>>>>>>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>>>>>>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>>>>>>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to
>>>>>>> be larger
>>>>>>> than A4.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
>>>>>> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
>>>>>> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
>>>>>
>>>>> covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
>>>>> and sending them out to be printed.
>>>>
>>>> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
>>>> misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
>>>> instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
>>>> been undertaken at all,
>>>
>>> And often a more economical way to do it for even smaller runs than a
>>> Parish Magazine, Just because you can assign a teenage child to design
>>> invitations to a family event and then print and cut them out on
>>> coloured A4 card using expensive inkjet consumables doesn’t mean you
>>> should ,the end product will still usually look tacky.
>>
>> A least they *have* an end product. Previously very few families would
>> have commissioned professionals to do that (apart perhaps for wedding
>> invitations).
>>
> Some areas hung on to funeral /memorial cards for a longtime though others
> have never heard of them.
>
> When clearing the farmhouse I found a tin which contained examples from
> family members who had died from the 1870’s to the 1950’s.
>
> random examples
>
> <https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2015/06/funeral-memorial-cards-as-a-genealogy-resource.html>

I was at a funeral of a relatively young man recently, and we were
presented with the modern equivalent of these in a bookmark-like format
along with the order of service and a printed eulogy (not the same as the
eulogies given during the service).

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <j84g2rF79anU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:46:03 on Mon, 28
>>> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <j849tgF62sjU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:00:48 on Mon, 28
>>>>> Feb 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> . Horrendous productions aside some people once they got the knack
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and stopped trying every Font available could layout acceptable documents
>>>>>>>> on their home PC and send the file to be printed away for the actual
>>>>>>>> physical printing especially if it was a poster that was going to
>>>>>>>> be larger
>>>>>>>> than A4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The biggest threat to traditional craft printers was the emergence of
>>>>>>> "instant print" shops, which used offset litho to churn out many copies
>>>>>>> of whatever masters the customer provided them with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> covered in what I wrote above about people laying out their own documents
>>>>>> and sending them out to be printed.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is, but my comment abut Parish Magazines (which has been largely
>>>>> misconstrued) applies - which is that without means like offset litho
>>>>> instant print shops, the majority of such jobs would simply never have
>>>>> been undertaken at all,
>>>>
>>>> And often a more economical way to do it for even smaller runs than a
>>>> Parish Magazine, Just because you can assign a teenage child to design
>>>> invitations to a family event and then print and cut them out on
>>>> coloured A4 card using expensive inkjet consumables doesn’t mean you
>>>> should ,the end product will still usually look tacky.
>>>
>>> A least they *have* an end product. Previously very few families would
>>> have commissioned professionals to do that (apart perhaps for wedding
>>> invitations).
>>>
>> Some areas hung on to funeral /memorial cards for a longtime though others
>> have never heard of them.
>>
>> When clearing the farmhouse I found a tin which contained examples from
>> family members who had died from the 1870’s to the 1950’s.
>>
>> random examples
>>
>> <https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2015/06/funeral-memorial-cards-as-a-genealogy-resource.html>
>
> I was at a funeral of a relatively young man recently, and we were
> presented with the modern equivalent of these in a bookmark-like format
> along with the order of service and a printed eulogy (not the same as the
> eulogies given during the service).
>
> Sam
>

Seen a few of those in recent times, often an interesting or amusing
snippet about the deceased is released by their relatives.

Top of my list so far was the mother of a school chum who died in her
nineties recently,
always knew she was a bit bohemian and carefree but had never heard of how
she spent VE day
as a driver in the ATS. She got tasked to take the body of an officer who
in his excitement to celebrate fatally shot himself with a pistol to
hospital/mortuary. Determined not to miss the party she thought sod it and
left the Austin Truck outside a pub where her friends would be and got so
sozzled she could not continue so decided to wait till morning.
Unfortunately in the early hours a passing local bobby took a closer look
at the truck and peered in the back and thought he better give the apparent
out cold officer a shake, poor bobby got quite a shock when he spotted the
wound and that he was dead. Apparently all hell then broke loose but in the
end she was treated quite leniently.

GH

In message <svkpm9$tub$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:40:25 on Tue, 1 Mar 2022,
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>> Some areas hung on to funeral /memorial cards for a longtime though others
>> have never heard of them.
>>
>> When clearing the farmhouse I found a tin which contained examples from
>> family members who had died from the 1870’s to the 1950’s.
>>
>> random examples
>>
>> <https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2015/06/funeral-memorial-cards-as-a-genealogy-resource.html>
>
>I was at a funeral of a relatively young man recently, and we were
>presented with the modern equivalent of these in a bookmark-like format
>along with the order of service and a printed eulogy (not the same as the
>eulogies given during the service).

Looking at various family ancestry archives, one of the primary sources
of data is announcements in the local newspapers (deaths most prevalent,
but also marriages and engagements, and a smattering of births).

Preserved of course by an old fashioned air of scissors.

In more recent times some of this has gone online, but are not nearly as
"permanent".
--
Roland Perry