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* The "Infinity Train"Graeme Wall
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Re: The "Infinity Train"

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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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Subject: Re: The "Infinity Train"
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 by: Graeme Wall - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:44 UTC

On 08/03/2022 16:21, Graham Harrison wrote:
> This sounds a bit like "bionic duckweed" but both the companies
> involved (Fortescue - mining in Western Australia and Williams in the
> UK) are both reputable.
>
> https://talker.news/2022/03/07/company-developing-electric-infinity-train-that-will-never-need-to-be-charged/
> or go to the horses mouth at (but I'm not convinced the following link
> will work)
> https://www.fmgl.com.au/in-the-news/media-releases/2022/03/01/fortescue-williams-(wae)-settlement-powers-development-of-world-first-infinity-train
>
> and the Williams variant of the announcement
> https://wae.com/news/fortescue-buys-williams-advanced-engineering-and-announces-worlds-first-infinity-train/
>
> Text from talker dot news:
>
> A company is developing a so-called electric Infinity Train that will
> never need charging.
>
> The vehicle would utilize the downhill gradient of its track to
> generate enough energy to complete journeys.
>
> The £37m innovation has been announced by Australian mining company
> Fortescue, who this week completed the acquisition of UK-based
> Williams Advanced Engineering (WAE); a technology and engineering
> company born out of Williams F1 in 2010.
>
> To mark the purchase at the Oxfordshire site, WAE and Fortescue
> announced the world's first, zero-emission Infinity Train.
>
> A WAE spokesperson explains: “The regenerating battery-electric iron
> ore train project will use gravitational energy to recharge its
> battery-electric systems without any additional charging requirements
> for the return trip to reload.”
>
> Fortescue’s current rail operations include 54 operating locomotives
> that haul 16 train sets. The train could be put into use at
> Fortescue's mines, including at Eliwana, Western Australia.
>
> Fortescue’s green energy, technology and development company Fortescue
> Future Industries (FFI), say: “Each train set is about 2.8 kilometers
> in length and has the capacity to haul 34,404 tonnes of iron ore in
> 244 ore cars.
>
> more at the link above.

Sounds more like a perpetual motion machine! On the face of it, what
they are proposing is impossible. There is obviously a major part of the
story that is being omitted.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Re: The "Infinity Train"

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From: non...@nowhere.net (Certes)
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Subject: Re: The "Infinity Train"
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:51:17 +0000
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 by: Certes - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:51 UTC

On 08/03/2022 18:44, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 08/03/2022 16:21, Graham Harrison wrote:
>> This sounds a bit like "bionic duckweed" but both the companies
>> involved (Fortescue - mining in Western Australia and Williams in the
>> UK) are both reputable.
>>
>> https://talker.news/2022/03/07/company-developing-electric-infinity-train-that-will-never-need-to-be-charged/
>>
>> or go to the horses mouth at (but I'm not convinced the following link
>> will work)
>> https://www.fmgl.com.au/in-the-news/media-releases/2022/03/01/fortescue-williams-(wae)-settlement-powers-development-of-world-first-infinity-train
>>
>>
>> and the Williams variant of the announcement
>> https://wae.com/news/fortescue-buys-williams-advanced-engineering-and-announces-worlds-first-infinity-train/
>>
>>
>> Text from talker dot news:
>>
>> A company is developing a so-called electric Infinity Train that will
>> never need charging.
>>
>> The vehicle would utilize the downhill gradient of its track to
>> generate enough energy to complete journeys.
>>
>> The £37m innovation has been announced by Australian mining company
>> Fortescue, who this week completed the acquisition of UK-based
>> Williams Advanced Engineering (WAE); a technology and engineering
>> company born out of Williams F1 in 2010.
>>
>> To mark the purchase at the Oxfordshire site, WAE and Fortescue
>> announced the world's first, zero-emission Infinity Train.
>>
>> A WAE spokesperson explains: “The regenerating battery-electric iron
>> ore train project will use gravitational energy to recharge its
>> battery-electric systems without any additional charging requirements
>> for the return trip to reload.”
>>
>> Fortescue’s current rail operations include 54 operating locomotives
>> that haul 16 train sets. The train could be put into use at
>> Fortescue's mines, including at Eliwana, Western Australia.
>>
>> Fortescue’s green energy, technology and development company Fortescue
>> Future Industries (FFI), say: “Each train set is about 2.8 kilometers
>> in length and has the capacity to haul 34,404 tonnes of iron ore in
>> 244 ore cars.
>>
>> more at the link above.
>
> Sounds more like a perpetual motion machine! On the face of it, what
> they are proposing is impossible. There is obviously a major part of the
> story that is being omitted.

Simply that the downhill train is full and heavy, releasing more than
enough potential energy to move a light empty train back up the hill.

Re: The "Infinity Train"

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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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Subject: Re: The "Infinity Train"
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 by: Graeme Wall - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 19:05 UTC

On 08/03/2022 18:51, Certes wrote:
> On 08/03/2022 18:44, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 08/03/2022 16:21, Graham Harrison wrote:
>>> This sounds a bit like "bionic duckweed" but both the companies
>>> involved (Fortescue - mining in Western Australia and Williams in the
>>> UK) are both reputable.
>>>
>>> https://talker.news/2022/03/07/company-developing-electric-infinity-train-that-will-never-need-to-be-charged/
>>>
>>> or go to the horses mouth at (but I'm not convinced the following link
>>> will work)
>>> https://www.fmgl.com.au/in-the-news/media-releases/2022/03/01/fortescue-williams-(wae)-settlement-powers-development-of-world-first-infinity-train
>>>
>>>
>>> and the Williams variant of the announcement
>>> https://wae.com/news/fortescue-buys-williams-advanced-engineering-and-announces-worlds-first-infinity-train/
>>>
>>>
>>> Text from talker dot news:
>>>
>>> A company is developing a so-called electric Infinity Train that will
>>> never need charging.
>>>
>>> The vehicle would utilize the downhill gradient of its track to
>>> generate enough energy to complete journeys.
>>>
>>> The £37m innovation has been announced by Australian mining company
>>> Fortescue, who this week completed the acquisition of UK-based
>>> Williams Advanced Engineering (WAE); a technology and engineering
>>> company born out of Williams F1 in 2010.
>>>
>>> To mark the purchase at the Oxfordshire site, WAE and Fortescue
>>> announced the world's first, zero-emission Infinity Train.
>>>
>>> A WAE spokesperson explains: “The regenerating battery-electric iron
>>> ore train project will use gravitational energy to recharge its
>>> battery-electric systems without any additional charging requirements
>>> for the return trip to reload.”
>>>
>>> Fortescue’s current rail operations include 54 operating locomotives
>>> that haul 16 train sets. The train could be put into use at
>>> Fortescue's mines, including at Eliwana, Western Australia.
>>>
>>> Fortescue’s green energy, technology and development company Fortescue
>>> Future Industries (FFI), say: “Each train set is about 2.8 kilometers
>>> in length and has the capacity to haul 34,404 tonnes of iron ore in
>>> 244 ore cars.
>>>
>>> more at the link above.
>>
>> Sounds more like a perpetual motion machine! On the face of it, what
>> they are proposing is impossible. There is obviously a major part of
>> the story that is being omitted.
>
> Simply that the downhill train is full and heavy, releasing more than
> enough potential energy to move a light empty train back up the hill.

Which is the bit not mentioned in the story.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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From: recliner...@gmail.com (Recliner)
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Subject: Re: The "Infinity Train"
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 by: Recliner - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 20:38 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/03/2022 18:51, Certes wrote:
>> On 08/03/2022 18:44, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2022 16:21, Graham Harrison wrote:
>>>> This sounds a bit like "bionic duckweed" but both the companies
>>>> involved (Fortescue - mining in Western Australia and Williams in the
>>>> UK) are both reputable.
>>>>
>>>> https://talker.news/2022/03/07/company-developing-electric-infinity-train-that-will-never-need-to-be-charged/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or go to the horses mouth at (but I'm not convinced the following link
>>>> will work)
>>>> https://www.fmgl.com.au/in-the-news/media-releases/2022/03/01/fortescue-williams-(wae)-settlement-powers-development-of-world-first-infinity-train
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and the Williams variant of the announcement
>>>> https://wae.com/news/fortescue-buys-williams-advanced-engineering-and-announces-worlds-first-infinity-train/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Text from talker dot news:
>>>>
>>>> A company is developing a so-called electric Infinity Train that will
>>>> never need charging.
>>>>
>>>> The vehicle would utilize the downhill gradient of its track to
>>>> generate enough energy to complete journeys.
>>>>
>>>> The £37m innovation has been announced by Australian mining company
>>>> Fortescue, who this week completed the acquisition of UK-based
>>>> Williams Advanced Engineering (WAE); a technology and engineering
>>>> company born out of Williams F1 in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> To mark the purchase at the Oxfordshire site, WAE and Fortescue
>>>> announced the world's first, zero-emission Infinity Train.
>>>>
>>>> A WAE spokesperson explains: “The regenerating battery-electric iron
>>>> ore train project will use gravitational energy to recharge its
>>>> battery-electric systems without any additional charging requirements
>>>> for the return trip to reload.”
>>>>
>>>> Fortescue’s current rail operations include 54 operating locomotives
>>>> that haul 16 train sets. The train could be put into use at
>>>> Fortescue's mines, including at Eliwana, Western Australia.
>>>>
>>>> Fortescue’s green energy, technology and development company Fortescue
>>>> Future Industries (FFI), say: “Each train set is about 2.8 kilometers
>>>> in length and has the capacity to haul 34,404 tonnes of iron ore in
>>>> 244 ore cars.
>>>>
>>>> more at the link above.
>>>
>>> Sounds more like a perpetual motion machine! On the face of it, what
>>> they are proposing is impossible. There is obviously a major part of
>>> the story that is being omitted.
>>
>> Simply that the downhill train is full and heavy, releasing more than
>> enough potential energy to move a light empty train back up the hill.
>
> Which is the bit not mentioned in the story.
>

It was pretty clear from the story.

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