Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor

The offspinner believes starting games at 11.30am rather than 1.30pm
would lead to fairer contests

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/r-ashwin-wants-2023-odi-world-cup-matches-to-start-early-to-minimise-dew-factor-1353911

Should day-night matches in India begin earlier to minimise the impact
of the dew factor? R Ashwin certainly thinks so. The India offspinner
wants matches at the upcoming ODI World Cup, which will be played in
India in October-November 2023, to begin at 11.30am - a full two hours
earlier than the usual start of day-night ODI games in India.

In a video on his YouTube channel, Ashwin took the example of India's
first ODI against Sri Lanka in Guwahati to suggest that dew gives
chasing teams an undue advantage. Sent in to bat, India batted with
deliberate urgency keeping the dew factor in mind and posted a total of
373. They eventually won by 67 runs, but Ashwin felt the margin of
victory did not reflect their dominance on the day.

"My suggestion - or rather my opinion - for the World Cup is to look at
what venues we are playing in, and at what times. Why shouldn't we start
matches at 11.30am during the World Cup?"

Day-night ODIs in India usually begin at 1.30pm, and extend well into
the primetime television hours. While starting matches earlier may
arguably lead to fairer contests, broadcasters may be against such a
move given the potential risk of reduced viewership figures. Ashwin,
though, suggested that fans would tune in to watch World Cup matches
regardless of timing.

"People will bring up television viewers and broadcasters, and say that
people won't latch on and watch at that time, but would they not latch
on to World Cup matches?" he asked. "The recent T20 World Cup was also
held in winter, prioritising the summer [for Australia's home bilateral
season]. It wasn't the ideal scenario - T20 is a fast-paced game, how
can you play it in winter? People will say that's not the case in
Australia, but still, we need to prioritise World Cups.

"The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup and
watch matches at 11.30?"

As things stand, Ashwin suggested that teams around the world look at
dew as one of the most significant factors in shaping day-night games in
India.

"ECB recently invited applications for the analyst's position, and - I
came to know this through some analysts I know - one of the important
questions they asked was, 'How big a factor is dew in Indian conditions
in white-ball cricket?' They're looking to bring in the best analytical
tools possible ahead of the 2023 World Cup, and they've asked all the
pertinent questions, so you can see how crucial everyone in world
cricket thinks the dew factor is in Indian conditions."

On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor

--snip--

> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup and
> watch matches at 11.30?"

Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do at 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?

On 1/16/2023 5:42 AM, David North wrote:
> On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor
>
> --snip--
>
>> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
>> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
>> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup and
>> watch matches at 11.30?"
>
> Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do at 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?

Cricket fans who want to watch the game live will take the day off
anyway, regardless of the starting time 11:30 AM or 1:30 PM.

Most of the jobs in India are from 9 AM to 6 PM with 1 hour lunch break.

There won't be too much dew in South Indian grounds except may be Bengaluru.

So, the matches affected will be ONLY the ones in North Indian grounds
in Oct-Nov.

Making the game MORE FAIRER takes precedence over some people not being
able to attend the game at 11:30 AM instead of 1:30 PM.

On 16/01/2023 14:30, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> On 1/16/2023 5:42 AM, David North wrote:
>> On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>> wrote:
>>> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor
>>
>> --snip--
>>
>>> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
>>> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
>>> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup and
>>> watch matches at 11.30?"
>>
>> Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do at
>> 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?
>
>
>
> Cricket fans who want to watch the game live will take the day off
> anyway, regardless of the starting time 11:30 AM or 1:30 PM.

The World Cup lasts about 6 weeks. That's a lot of days off.

> Most of the jobs in India are from 9 AM to 6 PM with 1 hour lunch break.
>
>
> There won't be too much dew in South Indian grounds except may be
> Bengaluru.
>
>
> So, the matches affected will be ONLY the ones in North Indian grounds
> in Oct-Nov.
>
> Making the game MORE FAIRER takes precedence over some people not being
> able to attend the game at 11:30 AM instead of 1:30 PM.

It's more about people watching on TV than those attending the game. The
start time probably won't affect attendances much.

--
David North

On 1/16/2023 9:29 PM, David North wrote:
> On 16/01/2023 14:30, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> On 1/16/2023 5:42 AM, David North wrote:
>>> On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC,
>>> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor
>>>
>>> --snip--
>>>
>>>> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
>>>> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
>>>> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup and
>>>> watch matches at 11.30?"
>>>
>>> Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do at
>>> 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cricket fans who want to watch the game live will take the day off
>> anyway, regardless of the starting time 11:30 AM or 1:30 PM.
>
> The World Cup lasts about 6 weeks. That's a lot of days off.
>

No.of fans who can afford the money and time to watch ALL the games LIVE
can be counted on fingers.

Fans will take the day off to watch games played in their city, that too
only India games.

>> Most of the jobs in India are from 9 AM to 6 PM with 1 hour lunch break.
>>
>>
>> There won't be too much dew in South Indian grounds except may be
>> Bengaluru.
>>
>>
>> So, the matches affected will be ONLY the ones in North Indian grounds
>> in Oct-Nov.
>>
>> Making the game MORE FAIRER takes precedence over some people not
>> being able to attend the game at 11:30 AM instead of 1:30 PM.
>
> It's more about people watching on TV than those attending the game. The
> start time probably won't affect attendances much.
>

Correct.

On 17/01/2023 05:55, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> On 1/16/2023 9:29 PM, David North wrote:
>> On 16/01/2023 14:30, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2023 5:42 AM, David North wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC,
>>>> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>>> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor
>>>>
>>>> --snip--
>>>>
>>>>> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
>>>>> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
>>>>> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup and
>>>>> watch matches at 11.30?"
>>>>
>>>> Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do at
>>>> 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cricket fans who want to watch the game live will take the day off
>>> anyway, regardless of the starting time 11:30 AM or 1:30 PM.
>>
>> The World Cup lasts about 6 weeks. That's a lot of days off.
>>
>
>
> No.of fans who can afford the money and time to watch ALL the games LIVE
> can be counted on fingers.
>
> Fans will take the day off to watch games played in their city, that too
> only India games.
I was talking about people watching on TV as well as those going to the
ground, and I assumed that Ashwin was as well (and if he wasn't, why not)?

--
David North

On 1/17/2023 11:39 PM, David North wrote:
> On 17/01/2023 05:55, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> On 1/16/2023 9:29 PM, David North wrote:
>>> On 16/01/2023 14:30, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2023 5:42 AM, David North wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC,
>>>>> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>>>> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor
>>>>>
>>>>> --snip--
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance the
>>>>>> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
>>>>>> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World Cup
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> watch matches at 11.30?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do
>>>>> at 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cricket fans who want to watch the game live will take the day off
>>>> anyway, regardless of the starting time 11:30 AM or 1:30 PM.
>>>
>>> The World Cup lasts about 6 weeks. That's a lot of days off.
>>>
>>
>>
>> No.of fans who can afford the money and time to watch ALL the games
>> LIVE can be counted on fingers.
>>
>> Fans will take the day off to watch games played in their city, that
>> too only India games.
> I was talking about people watching on TV as well as those going to the
> ground, and I assumed that Ashwin was as well (and if he wasn't, why not)?
>

Fans who watch on TV will watch whether the games start at 11:30 AM or
1:30 PM anyway.

On 18/01/2023 08:25, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> On 1/17/2023 11:39 PM, David North wrote:
>> On 17/01/2023 05:55, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2023 9:29 PM, David North wrote:
>>>> On 16/01/2023 14:30, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>>> On 1/16/2023 5:42 AM, David North wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 08:15:06 UTC,
>>>>>> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>>>>> Ashwin wants World Cup matches to start early to minimise dew factor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --snip--
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The ICC knows very well that there will be dew, so let's advance
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> game, and if we start at 11.30am, the dew factor won't come into the
>>>>>>> game, and why not? Won't all cricket fans prioritise the World
>>>>>>> Cup and
>>>>>>> watch matches at 11.30?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has he considered that many of them might have other things to do
>>>>>> at 11:30 - like their jobs, for instance?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cricket fans who want to watch the game live will take the day off
>>>>> anyway, regardless of the starting time 11:30 AM or 1:30 PM.
>>>>
>>>> The World Cup lasts about 6 weeks. That's a lot of days off.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No.of fans who can afford the money and time to watch ALL the games
>>> LIVE can be counted on fingers.
>>>
>>> Fans will take the day off to watch games played in their city, that
>>> too only India games.
>> I was talking about people watching on TV as well as those going to
>> the ground, and I assumed that Ashwin was as well (and if he wasn't,
>> why not)?
>
> Fans who watch on TV will watch whether the games start at 11:30 AM or
> 1:30 PM anyway.

If they are available to watch from 11:30 onwards, it won't make any
difference.

If they are working during the day, they will be able to watch up to 2
hours more of each match after work if the matches start 2 hours later.

--
David North