North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-railway-cancels-wartime-weekend-2022/

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>
> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-railway-cancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>

Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.

On 12/03/2022 00:02, Recliner wrote:
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>>
>> https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-railway-cancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>>
>
> Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.
>
Agreed.

I seem to recall that Wartime Weekend is the NYMR's biggest money
spinner and I suspect other railways will have to cancel their events as
well.

This is not good news as the railways are financially stretched as a
result of the Covid crisis.

I was planning to go to the NNR's Dad's Army Weekend but I expect that
to be cancelled as well.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:13:46 +0000
martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>On 12/03/2022 00:02, Recliner wrote:
>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>>>
>>>
>https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-railway-c
>ancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>>>
>>
>> Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.
>>
>Agreed.

Why? Did they cancel it during the war in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan?
Either you make a stand against all wars or none, not just the ones where
the people involved look like you.

In message <t0hq2a$1dqc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:44:42 on Sat, 12 Mar
2022, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:13:46 +0000
>martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>On 12/03/2022 00:02, Recliner wrote:
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>>>>
>>>>
>>https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-
>>railway-c
>>ancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.
>>>
>>Agreed.
>
>Why? Did they cancel it during the war in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan?
>Either you make a stand against all wars or none, not just the ones where
>the people involved look like you.

It's slightly different this time as Russia is accusing the Ukranians
of being Nazis, and these Wartime Weekends have oft been criticised for
inappropriate dress codes:

<https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/9051818.nazi-uniforms-
banned-east-lancashire-railway-war-weekend/>
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 10:15:01 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <t0hq2a$1dqc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 09:44:42 on Sat, 12 Mar
>2022, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:13:46 +0000
>>martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>On 12/03/2022 00:02, Recliner wrote:
>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-
>>>railway-c
>>>ancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.
>>>>
>>>Agreed.
>>
>>Why? Did they cancel it during the war in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan?
>>Either you make a stand against all wars or none, not just the ones where
>>the people involved look like you.
>
>It's slightly different this time as Russia is accusing the Ukranians
>of being Nazis, and these Wartime Weekends have oft been criticised for
>inappropriate dress codes:

Thats a different argument though. Personally I've always found re-enacters
a bit odd. Its one thing watching a war film or playing a video game, quite
another dressing up and pretending to be a soldier in public and even doing
mock battles. I get the impression a lot of them are weekend warriors who'd
love to do it for real.

On 12/03/2022 10:28, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> Thats a different argument though. Personally I've always found re-enacters
> a bit odd. Its one thing watching a war film or playing a video game, quite
> another dressing up and pretending to be a soldier in public and even doing
> mock battles. I get the impression a lot of them are weekend warriors who'd
> love to do it for real.

I suppose you could say similar about people who dress up in railway
uniforms or those who drive old trains.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:44:42 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:13:46 +0000
>martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>On 12/03/2022 00:02, Recliner wrote:
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>>>>
>>>>
>>https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-railway-c
>>ancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.
>>>
>>Agreed.
>
>Why? Did they cancel it during the war in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan?
>Either you make a stand against all wars or none, not just the ones where
>the people involved look like you.

Yes, there is an element of that. Central European countries have been very welcoming to Ukrainian victims of Russian
bombing, but weren't to Syrian victims of Russian bombing.

On 12/03/2022 12:45, Recliner wrote:
> Yes, there is an element of that. Central European countries have been very welcoming to Ukrainian victims of Russian
> bombing, but weren't to Syrian victims of Russian bombing.

Because they have cultural links to the Ukrainian victims, often very
close cultural links.

Perhaps better to ask why the Arab / Muslim world were not more
welcoming to victims of the Syrian bombing?

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 13:35:28 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 12/03/2022 12:45, Recliner wrote:
>> Yes, there is an element of that. Central European countries have been very welcoming to Ukrainian victims of Russian
>> bombing, but weren't to Syrian victims of Russian bombing.
>
>Because they have cultural links to the Ukrainian victims, often very
>close cultural links.

Indeed. At various times in history, western Ukraine and Poland (etc) were all part of the same empire.

>
>Perhaps better to ask why the Arab / Muslim world were not more
>welcoming to victims of the Syrian bombing?

Yup. They weren't even generous financially. They also do less for the Uyghurs than the west does.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:49:00 +0000
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 12/03/2022 10:28, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> Thats a different argument though. Personally I've always found re-enacters
>> a bit odd. Its one thing watching a war film or playing a video game, quite
>> another dressing up and pretending to be a soldier in public and even doing
>> mock battles. I get the impression a lot of them are weekend warriors who'd
>> love to do it for real.
>
>I suppose you could say similar about people who dress up in railway
>uniforms or those who drive old trains.

Different subject matter. Trains are transport, guns exist to kill people.
I'm not some pacifist nutter and in fact I think we should do more in Ukraine
(specifically partition the west side with Lviv and tell Putin its war if
you bomb in this area) but war re-enactors have always left a bad taste in my
mouth. Perhaps its the vicarious glory hunting, who knows.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:45:11 +0000
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:44:42 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:13:46 +0000
>>martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>On 12/03/2022 00:02, Recliner wrote:
>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> North Yorkshire Moors Railway cancels Wartime Weekend 2022
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19986070.north-yorkshire-moors-railway
>-c
>>>ancels-wartime-weekend-2022/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, sadly, that decision was probably inevitable.
>>>>
>>>Agreed.
>>
>>Why? Did they cancel it during the war in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan?
>>Either you make a stand against all wars or none, not just the ones where
>>the people involved look like you.
>
>Yes, there is an element of that. Central European countries have been very
>welcoming to Ukrainian victims of Russian
>bombing, but weren't to Syrian victims of Russian bombing.

I suppose culture is always going to make a difference. Western ukraine was
part of poland until ww2 and is still catholic - unlike the east - so they are
effectively the same people. Its human nature to favour those closer to you
but the hypocrisy of an organisation virtue signalling about one conflict but
not others I find distasteful.

On 12/03/2022 13:35, MB wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 12:45, Recliner wrote:
>> Yes, there is an element of that. Central European countries have been
>> very welcoming to Ukrainian victims of Russian
>> bombing, but weren't to Syrian victims of Russian bombing.
>
> Because they have cultural links to the Ukrainian victims, often very
> close cultural links.
>
> Perhaps better to ask why the Arab / Muslim world were not more
> welcoming to victims of the Syrian bombing?

It's "interesting" to see people be outraged about Poles caring about
Ukrainians - and then banging on about Palestinians being the one true
cause while Uyghurs are merely internal matter for China.

--
Arthur Figgis

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:49:00 +0000
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 12/03/2022 10:28, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> Thats a different argument though. Personally I've always found re-enacters
>>> a bit odd. Its one thing watching a war film or playing a video game, quite
>>> another dressing up and pretending to be a soldier in public and even doing
>>> mock battles. I get the impression a lot of them are weekend warriors who'd
>>> love to do it for real.
>>
>> I suppose you could say similar about people who dress up in railway
>> uniforms or those who drive old trains.
>
> Different subject matter. Trains are transport, guns exist to kill people.
> I'm not some pacifist nutter and in fact I think we should do more in Ukraine
> (specifically partition the west side with Lviv and tell Putin its war if
> you bomb in this area) but war re-enactors have always left a bad taste in my
> mouth. Perhaps its the vicarious glory hunting, who knows.
>
I find people who collect guns a little weird especially when as most in
the UK have to be they are non functioning replicas, though for weirdness
it was the apparently normal pub landlord I occasionally did work for who
suddenly decided I was now trustworthy enough to be shown his collection of
several hundred knives, I assumed I was supposed to show interest but found
it difficult to do so . Funnily enough he also bred Owls and had a
certificate that gave him permission .Bit of a strange character.

Does the era make any difference?

I too have always been a little wary of re -enactors who seem to want to
play solders a bit too much largely because most base themselves in WW2 and
being the age I am most of the adults around me as I grew up from Parents,
relatives , teachers,the shopkeepers, a Polish Barber and others had all
been around and been in the services for real or lived through those times
and hardships at home or like the Polishman worse.
And also if people really want to be in a service then they could join the
territorials.
OTOH a work colleague used to take part in mediaeval battle re-enactments
which seemed to provide a basis for where he and his ilk could knock the
living daylights out of each other for fun without the rules that Rugby
imposes and that did not seem so bad, maybe because those who had to do it
for real and their accounts have long passed from memory.
A relative lives in Tewkesbury where they reenact the battle that settled
the Wars of the Roses at the location still known as the bloody field and
its quite an event for the town but it is done more as an education in
history . Some of the stalls that supply the costumes and the props can be
interesting,
it wasn’t till I spoke to one that I learn’t that the best suits of armour
back in those times were manufactured in what is now Northern Italy, some
how a Knights measurements were sent there and a year or so later a made to
measure suit of armour would arrive back. You had to be really wealthy to
afford to do that.

GH

On 12 Mar 2022 22:03:42 GMT
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> mouth. Perhaps its the vicarious glory hunting, who knows.
>>
>I find people who collect guns a little weird especially when as most in
>the UK have to be they are non functioning replicas, though for weirdness
>it was the apparently normal pub landlord I occasionally did work for who
>suddenly decided I was now trustworthy enough to be shown his collection of
>several hundred knives, I assumed I was supposed to show interest but found

Unless he was a budding chef or mates with Bear Grylls, having that many
knives is rather worrying. Personally I'd steer clear of someone like that.

>Does the era make any difference?

IMO if its wooden swords and shields stuff then I guess its as you say simply
an excuse for a rugby style dust up perhaps with a side order of historical
discovery. But when people dress up as WW2 soldiers and carry around guns
simply for the look of it, thats what I find odd.

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:49:00 +0000
>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/03/2022 10:28, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> Thats a different argument though. Personally I've always found re-enacters
>>>> a bit odd. Its one thing watching a war film or playing a video game, quite
>>>> another dressing up and pretending to be a soldier in public and even doing
>>>> mock battles. I get the impression a lot of them are weekend warriors who'd
>>>> love to do it for real.
>>>
>>> I suppose you could say similar about people who dress up in railway
>>> uniforms or those who drive old trains.
>>
>> Different subject matter. Trains are transport, guns exist to kill people.
>> I'm not some pacifist nutter and in fact I think we should do more in Ukraine
>> (specifically partition the west side with Lviv and tell Putin its war if
>> you bomb in this area) but war re-enactors have always left a bad taste in my
>> mouth. Perhaps its the vicarious glory hunting, who knows.
>>
> I find people who collect guns a little weird especially when as most in
> the UK have to be they are non functioning replicas, though for weirdness
> it was the apparently normal pub landlord I occasionally did work for who
> suddenly decided I was now trustworthy enough to be shown his collection of
> several hundred knives, I assumed I was supposed to show interest but found
> it difficult to do so . Funnily enough he also bred Owls and had a
> certificate that gave him permission .Bit of a strange character.

<joke era=“prehistoric”>
- Doctor, Doctor, my friends think I’m odd because I like sausages.
- That doesn’t seem odd - I rather like sausages too.
- Really, Doctor? You must come and see my collection; I’ve got hundreds!
</joke>

Sam

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