On 17 Mar 2022 at 16:39:26, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60779001
>
> How can P&O dismiss 800 staff and replace them with overseas workers?
> I thought any dismissal was either (a) due to misconduct, (b) unfair
> or (c) redundancy. I thought redundancy only applied where the job no
> longer existed. If P&O appoint replacement staff, does this not imply
> that the job role continues to exist thereby making all the dismissals
> unfair? Will P&O not be tied up in litigation for years to come?

Brexit, innit?

On 18/03/2022 08:45, Bob Martin wrote:
> Brexit, innit?

Can you explain how?

On 18/03/2022 10:17, MB wrote:
>On 18/03/2022 08:45, Bob Martin wrote:
>> Brexit, innit?
>
>Can you explain how?
>

One possibility that occurs to me me is that when the ferries sailed between
EU countries, there might have been strong reasons to register them in an
EU country. Those won't apply now, and they could be re-registered in, say,
Bermuda. That would let them replace the European crew members with much,
much cheaper, non-unionised Asian crew members, just retaining European
senior officers.

On 18/03/2022 09:41, Recliner wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 10:17, MB wrote:
>> On 18/03/2022 08:45, Bob Martin wrote:
>>> Brexit, innit?
>>
>> Can you explain how?
>>
>
> One possibility that occurs to me me is that when the ferries sailed
> between
> EU countries, there might have been strong reasons to register them in an
> EU country. Those won't apply now, and they could be re-registered in, say,
> Bermuda. That would let them replace the European crew members with much,
> much cheaper, non-unionised Asian crew members, just retaining European
> senior officers.

Except that P&O had already re-registered their ships in Cyprus to
remain in the EU.

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Graeme Wall
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MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 08:45, Bob Martin wrote:
>> Brexit, innit?
>
> Can you explain how?
>
>

Probably not the sole reason but the loss of land bridge traffic from
Ireland to Continental Europe will not have helped their finances,
particularly as Covid removed much of the the leisure market traffic for
much of that period. I recall at least one Brexit supporter on another news
group who thought alternative direct routes between France and Ireland
would not be set up as the routes would be too long and interrupted by bad
weather, that doesn’t seem to have deterred Irish and European ferry
companies from doing so with the number of links and the land bridge has
lost 50% of movements.
I suppose on the plus side that is a lot of lorry movements not wearing out
UK road infrastructure
but it is a loss of revenue to the supporting services such as fuel, food
providers, maintenance, port operations and cross English channel ferry
operations. The P&O job losses and the way it has been done are the
headline but other jobs may have withered away much less obviously.
Now with tourists being able to travel again European visitors to Ireland
and vice versa will be able to travel direct and have a night on ferry
rather than in a UK B&B or lodge style hotel so that is more revenue lost
to Irish Ferries,Stena ,DFDS etc and giving work to their crews rather than
those employed on UK routes.

<https://trans.info/en/yet-more-growth-in-shipping-routes-between-ireland-and-european-mainland-258036>

GH

On 18/03/2022 14:38, Marland wrote:
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 18/03/2022 08:45, Bob Martin wrote:
>>> Brexit, innit?
>>
>> Can you explain how?
>>
>>
>
> Probably not the sole reason but the loss of land bridge traffic from
> Ireland to Continental Europe will not have helped their finances,
> particularly as Covid removed much of the the leisure market traffic for
> much of that period. I recall at least one Brexit supporter on another news
> group who thought alternative direct routes between France and Ireland
> would not be set up as the routes would be too long and interrupted by bad
> weather, that doesn’t seem to have deterred Irish and European ferry
> companies from doing so with the number of links and the land bridge has
> lost 50% of movements.
> I suppose on the plus side that is a lot of lorry movements not wearing out
> UK road infrastructure
> but it is a loss of revenue to the supporting services such as fuel, food
> providers, maintenance, port operations and cross English channel ferry
> operations. The P&O job losses and the way it has been done are the
> headline but other jobs may have withered away much less obviously.
> Now with tourists being able to travel again European visitors to Ireland
> and vice versa will be able to travel direct and have a night on ferry
> rather than in a UK B&B or lodge style hotel so that is more revenue lost
> to Irish Ferries,Stena ,DFDS etc and giving work to their crews rather than
> those employed on UK routes.
>
>
> <https://trans.info/en/yet-more-growth-in-shipping-routes-between-ireland-and-european-mainland-258036>
>
>

I know people who're seriously thinking of taking using a UK to Eire
ferry, then an Eire to the mainland ferry for their summer holidays.