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* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsRustyHinge
+* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsRustyHinge
|`- Boodly non-protocol mail clientsBrian Gaff
+* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsAhem A Rivet's Shot
|+* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsRustyHinge
||`* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsThe Nomad
|| `- Boodly non-protocol mail clientsRustyHinge
|`- Boodly non-protocol mail clientsBrian Gaff
`* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsTease'n'Seize
 `* Boodly non-protocol mail clientsRustyHinge
  `- Boodly non-protocol mail clientsDon Stockbauer

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Boodly non-protocol mail clients

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From: rusty.hi...@foobar.girolle.co.uk (RustyHinge)
Newsgroups: uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Boodly non-protocol mail clients
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:35:14 +0100
Organization: Diss Organisation
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 by: RustyHinge - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:35 UTC

Get emus from a firm. They're in html.

Usual ploy: open, copy code into a text document, name doc with .html
extension, view in Firefox.

Result with this load of garbage (many of pages to read three lines of
text) is just a load of html, xml, css and Godknoswhat, amongst it the
message which ICBA to comb the rubbish for.

User agent HPMailer 6.0.7 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) -
whatever *that* is

I passed by a box which gave me the option to open it in Thunderbird
Mail and now I can't conjure the option again.

Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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From: rusty.hi...@foobar.girolle.co.uk (RustyHinge)
Newsgroups: uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:16:02 +0100
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 by: RustyHinge - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:16 UTC

On 27/09/2023 21:35, RustyHinge wrote:
> Get emus from a firm. They're in html.
>
> Usual ploy: open, copy code into a text document, name doc with .html
> extension, view in Firefox.
>
> Result with this load of garbage (many of pages to read three lines of
> text) is just a load of html, xml, css and Godknoswhat, amongst it the
> message which ICBA to comb the rubbish for.
>
> User agent  HPMailer 6.0.7 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) -
> whatever *that* is
>
> I passed by a box which gave me the option to open it in Thunderbird
> Mail and now I can't conjure the option again.
>
> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?
>
Oops! This was supposed to be an arj fred.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients

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Newsgroups: uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:21 UTC

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:35:14 +0100
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> User agent HPMailer 6.0.7 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) -
> whatever *that* is

Oh glod that's not a pretty sight. PHP is a language originally
designed as a souped up templating language for server side HTML
generation. Then it grew some, and gruesome more gruesome. PHPMailer is a
mail generating tool for PHP. ISTR (it's been a mercifully long time) it
being good (if that's the worm) at generating HTML emails with internal
references to other attachments in the emule.

The result is fiddly to render in anything other than an HTML aware
mail client <boo hiss> - saving all the attachments into the same directory
and keeping the filenames as specified in the MIME headers usually jbexes.

> I passed by a box which gave me the option to open it in Thunderbird
> Mail and now I can't conjure the option again.

That would be the way to go.

> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?

Find that box, don't let it escape.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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Newsgroups: uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 02:24:11 +0100
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 by: RustyHinge - Thu, 28 Sep 2023 01:24 UTC

On 27/09/2023 23:21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:35:14 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> User agent HPMailer 6.0.7 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) -
>> whatever *that* is
>
> Oh glod that's not a pretty sight. PHP is a language originally
> designed as a souped up templating language for server side HTML
> generation. Then it grew some, and gruesome more gruesome. PHPMailer is a
> mail generating tool for PHP. ISTR (it's been a mercifully long time) it
> being good (if that's the worm) at generating HTML emails with internal
> references to other attachments in the emule.
>
> The result is fiddly to render in anything other than an HTML aware
> mail client <boo hiss> - saving all the attachments into the same directory
> and keeping the filenames as specified in the MIME headers usually jbexes.
>
>> I passed by a box which gave me the option to open it in Thunderbird
>> Mail and now I can't conjure the option again.
>
> That would be the way to go.
>
>> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?
>
> Find that box, don't let it escape.

There are only 24 hours in a day, six days and the sabbath in a week,
and too many sheepdog no-nodays.

But ta.

Thunderbird in text-only mode (wot I hfr) dozen provide any pointers.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: The Nomad - Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:26 UTC

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 02:24:11 +0100, RustyHinge
<rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

> But ta.
>
> Thunderbird in text-only mode (wot I hfr) dozen provide any pointers.

As it is here TAAAW

But, if you go to menu option 'View', then 'Message Body as' you have
(here) three choices,

Original HTML
Simple HTML
Plain Text

HTH

Avpx
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Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients

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 by: Tease'n'Se - Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:41 UTC

RustyHinge wrote:

> Get emus from a firm. They're in html.
> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?

Just let thunderblum do it?

Yes, I prefer plain text emus, but even I don't refuse to read html emus

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From: brian1g...@gmail.com (Brian Gaff)
Newsgroups: uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 08:41:47 +0100
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 by: Brian Gaff - Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:41 UTC

Yes there are quite a few of those, luckily they seem to be mostly used by
spammers and newsletters, so if it has a response address I tell them to bog
off with their non standard crapmail then block the domain.
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uf262i$39lgt$2@dont-email.me...
> On 27/09/2023 21:35, RustyHinge wrote:
>> Get emus from a firm. They're in html.
>>
>> Usual ploy: open, copy code into a text document, name doc with .html
>> extension, view in Firefox.
>>
>> Result with this load of garbage (many of pages to read three lines of
>> text) is just a load of html, xml, css and Godknoswhat, amongst it the
>> message which ICBA to comb the rubbish for.
>>
>> User agent HPMailer 6.0.7 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) -
>> whatever *that* is
>>
>> I passed by a box which gave me the option to open it in Thunderbird Mail
>> and now I can't conjure the option again.
>>
>> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?
>>
> Oops! This was supposed to be an arj fred.
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

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Subject: Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients
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 by: Brian Gaff - Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:45 UTC

I got my council to get their press releases fixed as they were not sending
the plain text version, just a blank, then later on they left an old message
in the text part but a new one in html, so when you did cut and paste you
got the old message not the current one. All of these show they do not know
how to configure their internal email clients properly in the first place.
Brian

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:20230927232108.69f7100aa84545d360332357@eircom.net...
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:35:14 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> User agent HPMailer 6.0.7 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer) -
>> whatever *that* is
>
> Oh glod that's not a pretty sight. PHP is a language originally
> designed as a souped up templating language for server side HTML
> generation. Then it grew some, and gruesome more gruesome. PHPMailer is a
> mail generating tool for PHP. ISTR (it's been a mercifully long time) it
> being good (if that's the worm) at generating HTML emails with internal
> references to other attachments in the emule.
>
> The result is fiddly to render in anything other than an HTML aware
> mail client <boo hiss> - saving all the attachments into the same
> directory
> and keeping the filenames as specified in the MIME headers usually jbexes.
>
>> I passed by a box which gave me the option to open it in Thunderbird
>> Mail and now I can't conjure the option again.
>
> That would be the way to go.
>
>> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?
>
> Find that box, don't let it escape.
>
> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith
> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
> Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
> Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: RustyHinge - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:00 UTC

On 28/09/2023 08:26, The Nomad wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 02:24:11 +0100, RustyHinge
> <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> But ta.
>>
>> Thunderbird in text-only mode (wot I hfr) dozen provide any pointers.
>
> As it is here TAAAW
>
> But, if you go to menu option 'View', then 'Message Body as' you have
> (here) three choices,
>
> Original HTML
> Simple HTML
> Plain Text
>
> HTH
>
> Avpx
>
Indeed it does, and unforgets me where that box was TAAAW

Ta.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Re: Boodly non-protocol mail clients

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 by: RustyHinge - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:05 UTC

On 28/09/2023 08:41, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> Get emus from a firm. They're in html.
>> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?
>
> Just let thunderblum do it?
>
> Yes, I prefer plain text emus, but even I don't refuse to read html emus
>
I have Thunderguts set to 'plain text'.

Usually, one can ignore the markup, but it was pagesandpagesandpages.

I asked sender to resend in plain text and she did. It *was* something I
wanted, but the actual text was one and a half lines.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:28 UTC

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:05:19 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 28/09/2023 08:41, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> > RustyHinge wrote:
> >
> >> Get emus from a firm. They're in html.
> >> Suggestions for opening these osddnig things pretty please?
> >
> > Just let thunderblum do it?
> >
> > Yes, I prefer plain text emus, but even I don't refuse to read html emus
> >
> I have Thunderguts set to 'plain text'.
>
> Usually, one can ignore the markup, but it was pagesandpagesandpages.
>
> I asked sender to resend in plain text and she did. It *was* something I
> wanted, but the actual text was one and a half lines.
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

rusty, I hear that you don't like Google groups too much.

God, and I could've been such a great addition to the group here

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