On 01/08/2021 19:58, williamwright wrote:
> On 01/08/2021 16:52, Robin wrote:
>
>> You could also try The National Archives.  Even if they don't want them
>> they may know someone who does as they have a general leadership role on
>> archiving.
>>
>>
> Cheers. I will.
>
> Bill

I am surprised the museum did noy suggest the local archive, if it was
whisky from Aviemore then Highland Archive might be interested though
surprised the National Railway Museum were not interested.

Archives have limitations on storage space of course but usually will
take in anything relevant - I hope to be posting some stuff in the post
tomorrow to the archive in Lerwick.

On 01/08/2021 22:05, MB wrote:
> On 01/08/2021 19:58, williamwright wrote:
>> On 01/08/2021 16:52, Robin wrote:
>>
>>> You could also try The National Archives.  Even if they don't want them
>>> they may know someone who does as they have a general leadership role on
>>> archiving.
>>>
>>>
>> Cheers. I will.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> I am surprised the museum did noy suggest the local archive, if it was
> whisky from Aviemore then Highland Archive might be interested though
> surprised the National Railway Museum were not interested.
>
> Archives have limitations on storage space of course but usually will
> take in anything relevant - I hope to be posting some stuff in the post
> tomorrow to the archive in Lerwick.

Interesting.

Bill

On 01/08/2021 22:05, MB wrote:
> On 01/08/2021 19:58, williamwright wrote:
>> On 01/08/2021 16:52, Robin wrote:
>>
>>> You could also try The National Archives.  Even if they don't want them
>>> they may know someone who does as they have a general leadership role on
>>> archiving.
>>>
>>>
>> Cheers. I will.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> I am surprised the museum did noy suggest the local archive, if it was
> whisky from Aviemore then Highland Archive might be interested though
> surprised the National Railway Museum were not interested.
>
> Archives have limitations on storage space of course but usually will
> take in anything relevant - I hope to be posting some stuff in the post
> tomorrow to the archive in Lerwick.

Here are a few of the documents
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ww36rrtc46lfxqx/AAAoxuWFoCDbM9VQwsrdjnxoa?dl=0
Bill

In article <imnrrtF99f9U2@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> On 31/07/2021 09:42, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > In article <imjonoFe6ecU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> > <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Funnily enough I have a bundle of documents dated 1895/6 from York
> >> Station. They are basically the negotiations between the different
> >> railways companies for the carriage of large loads from one end of
> >> the country to the other. Much of it is whisky from Aviemore to
> >> King's Cross.
> >
> > The Rail Museum in York might be interested in those!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> I offered them to the Doncaster Museum, which has a lot of railway
> stuff, but they weren't interested.

> Could try NRM.

Yes, worth a try.

That said, I've been amazed by the reluctance of museums to accept
documents related to topics like audio engineering/manufacturing/design. It
is as if such mere 'industrial' areas were too 'grubby' for them. Despite
them having lots of Victorian examples like old mechanical machinery!

Jim

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On 02/08/2021 10:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <imnrrtF99f9U2@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

>> I offered them to the Doncaster Museum, which has a lot of railway
>> stuff, but they weren't interested.
>
>> Could try NRM.
>
> Yes, worth a try.
>
> That said, I've been amazed by the reluctance of museums to accept
> documents related to topics like audio engineering/manufacturing/design. It
> is as if such mere 'industrial' areas were too 'grubby' for them. Despite
> them having lots of Victorian examples like old mechanical machinery!

Some people are just snobs. There is (or used to be) a large building
(then a garage) in my former home town which had "Palace" on the
stonework at the end. I asked a local museum official what it might be,
and he said, "Probably a picture palace of no historic importance." Well
/I/ was interested as I had no idea there had ever been a cinema other
than the two I knew in the town. And fifty years from now, when there
are no cinemas left, people will want to know what these buildings of
curious architecture were.

(And they'll probably think that buildings called "Mecca" were mosques.)

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On 03/08/2021 11:20, Max Demian wrote:
> On 02/08/2021 10:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>> In article <imnrrtF99f9U2@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
>> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>> I offered them to the Doncaster Museum, which has a lot of railway
>>> stuff, but they weren't interested.
>>
>>> Could try NRM.
>>
>> Yes, worth a try.
>>
>> That said, I've been amazed by the reluctance of museums to accept
>> documents related to topics like audio
>> engineering/manufacturing/design. It
>> is as if such mere 'industrial' areas were too 'grubby' for them. Despite
>> them having lots of Victorian examples like old mechanical machinery!

I offered some old computers such as Commodore PETs and an Atari to the
Bletchley Computing Museum, but they weren't interested either.

> Some people are just snobs. There is (or used to be) a large building
> (then a garage) in my former home town which had "Palace" on the
> stonework at the end. I asked a local museum official what it might be,
> and he said, "Probably a picture palace of no historic importance." Well
> /I/ was interested as I had no idea there had ever been a cinema other
> than the two I knew in the town. And fifty years from now, when there
> are no cinemas left, people will want to know what these buildings of
> curious architecture were.
>
> (And they'll probably think that buildings called "Mecca" were mosques.)

:-)

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> That said, I've been amazed by the reluctance of museums to accept
> documents related to topics like audio engineering/manufacturing/design. It
> is as if such mere 'industrial' areas were too 'grubby' for them. Despite
> them having lots of Victorian examples like old mechanical machinery!

Our local archive are certainly very active, the original archivist went
around local estates and managed to acquire many of their documents -
some going back to the 18th Century and earlier but often just in the
attic in cardboard boxes.

Similarly they went around many local businesses and offered to take
their archives off their hands.

Some years ago I was tidying up some bookshelves and came across some
Ben Nevis Race programmes. Rather than put them in the bin I gave them
to the archive. I have given lots of other items.

I heard a story of someone wanting to consult some old estate maps. He
went to see them at their offices and found they had a set of great maps
from the mid-18th Century that were not even catalogued. He catalogued
them then arranged for the estate office to hire a VERY large scanner
for a few weeks. Volunteers then scanned all the maps and the NLS put
them online (they were seriously large files so they could not merge
them locally!) They are all deposited in the archive and online now,
and the estate has gained a lot of space. Another area arranged for
volunteers to collect up estate plans and take them for scanning.

On Tue, 3 Aug 2021 11:20:30 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>On 02/08/2021 10:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>> In article <imnrrtF99f9U2@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
>> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>> I offered them to the Doncaster Museum, which has a lot of railway
>>> stuff, but they weren't interested.
>>
>>> Could try NRM.
>>
>> Yes, worth a try.
>>
>> That said, I've been amazed by the reluctance of museums to accept
>> documents related to topics like audio engineering/manufacturing/design. It
>> is as if such mere 'industrial' areas were too 'grubby' for them. Despite
>> them having lots of Victorian examples like old mechanical machinery!
>
>Some people are just snobs. There is (or used to be) a large building
>(then a garage) in my former home town which had "Palace" on the
>stonework at the end. I asked a local museum official what it might be,
>and he said, "Probably a picture palace of no historic importance." Well
>/I/ was interested as I had no idea there had ever been a cinema other
>than the two I knew in the town. And fifty years from now, when there
>are no cinemas left, people will want to know what these buildings of
>curious architecture were.
>
>(And they'll probably think that buildings called "Mecca" were mosques.)

My local 18th century pub was refurbed some years back and the person
responsible for the 'upgrade' plans placed a new extractor fan outlet
on the outside wall which caused the fan installer to drill a bloody
big hole through the date stone, obliterating the date (year).

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In article <seb7od$1usu$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Java Jive
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/08/2021 11:20, Max Demian wrote:
> > On 02/08/2021 10:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> >> In article <imnrrtF99f9U2@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> >> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> I offered them to the Doncaster Museum, which has a lot of railway
> >>> stuff, but they weren't interested.
> >>
> >>> Could try NRM.
> >>
> >> Yes, worth a try.
> >>
> >> That said, I've been amazed by the reluctance of museums to accept
> >> documents related to topics like audio
> >> engineering/manufacturing/design. It is as if such mere 'industrial'
> >> areas were too 'grubby' for them. Despite them having lots of
> >> Victorian examples like old mechanical machinery!

> I offered some old computers such as Commodore PETs and an Atari to the
> Bletchley Computing Museum, but they weren't interested either.

They may have already had some examples.

They did accept a copy of some recordings I'd made of some 'Acorn'
employees I'd made a few decades ago. Presumably because the content was
unique. I'd arranged to meet one of them at a show in Glasgow. Initially
I'd assumed we'd chat for maybe half an hour. But in the end I used two C90
tapes and some other Acorn people chimed in as well. Discussing some of the
events that weren't public at the time... and which led to their demise.
Same guy warned me in advance on the QT when he learned what was to
happen. Alas, I couldn't tell anyone else about that until later.

Jim

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On 04/08/2021 10:18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> I offered some old computers such as Commodore PETs and an Atari to the
> Bletchley Computing Museum, but they weren't interested either.

I noticed that they did not have a NASCOM or PPC so took my old ones
down next time I was there (with a couple of other things I think).
They were certainly happy to have it.

On 04/08/2021 10:18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
> In article <seb7od$1usu$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Java Jive
> <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I offered some old computers such as Commodore PETs and an Atari to the
>> Bletchley Computing Museum, but they weren't interested either.
>
> They may have already had some examples.

They may, but they could at least have replied to my email!

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On 05/08/2021 12:49, Java Jive wrote:
> On 04/08/2021 10:18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>
>> In article <seb7od$1usu$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Java Jive
>> <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> I offered some old computers such as Commodore PETs and an Atari to the
>>> Bletchley Computing Museum, but they weren't interested either.
>>
>> They may have already had some examples.
>
> They may, but they could at least have replied to my email!
>

Many an email is sent but never received. Strange are the ways of spam
filters. My general rule if I receive no reply is to try again from a
different account, with a different subject, and if at all possible to a
different address.

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On 05/08/2021 15:04, Robin wrote:
> Many an email is sent but never received. Strange are the ways of spam
> filters. My general rule if I receive no reply is to try again from a
> different account, with a different subject, and if at all possible to a
> different address.

I presume you sent the EMail to the right museum and not the Bletchley
Park museum.

If it was in the last couple of years it could just be because of their
limited access to the museum.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:

>> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means to
>> distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to railways,
>> thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his chumocracy could
>> profit from.
>>
>
> Round objects

Who is Round and to what does he object?

On 05/08/2021 22:16, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means to
>>> distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to railways,
>>> thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his chumocracy could
>>> profit from.
>>>
>>
>> Round objects
>
> Who is Round and to what does he object?
>

In any case he means spherical.

Bill

On 06/08/2021 00:20, williamwright wrote:
> On 05/08/2021 22:16, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means to
>>>> distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to
>>>> railways,
>>>> thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his chumocracy
>>>> could
>>>> profit from.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Round objects
>>
>> Who is Round and to what does he object?
>
> In any case he means spherical.
>
> Bill

Pendant.

In article <in44bnFpotlU1@mid.individual.net>,
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
>On 06/08/2021 00:20, williamwright wrote:
>> On 05/08/2021 22:16, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means to
>>>>> distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to
>>>>> railways,
>>>>> thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his chumocracy
>>>>> could
>>>>> profit from.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Round objects
>>>
>>> Who is Round and to what does he object?
>>
>> In any case he means spherical.
>>
>> Bill
>
>Pendant.

No, pendants swing around.

Much like referenced oblate spheroids.

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On 06/08/2021 08:46, Mike wrote:
> In article <in44bnFpotlU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
>> On 06/08/2021 00:20, williamwright wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2021 22:16, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means to
>>>>>> distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to
>>>>>> railways,
>>>>>> thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his chumocracy
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> profit from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Round objects
>>>>
>>>> Who is Round and to what does he object?
>>>
>>> In any case he means spherical.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Pendant.
>
> No, pendants swing around.
>
> Much like referenced oblate spheroids.
>

Bollocks

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In article <slrnsgol9n.1g44.abuse@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:

> >> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means
> >> to distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to
> >> railways, thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his
> >> chumocracy could profit from.
> >>
> >
> > Round objects

> Who is Round and to what does he object?

I've also just been watching "Yes Minister". :-)

Jim

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In article <segbh3$41r$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 04/08/2021 10:18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > I offered some old computers such as Commodore PETs and an Atari to
> > the Bletchley Computing Museum, but they weren't interested either.

Erm... I didn't write the above.

> I noticed that they did not have a NASCOM or PPC so took my old ones
> down next time I was there (with a couple of other things I think).
> They were certainly happy to have it.

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In article <5957aa67d4noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <slrnsgol9n.1g44.abuse@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
> <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:

> > >> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means
> > >> to distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to
> > >> railways, thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his
> > >> chumocracy could profit from.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Round objects

> > Who is Round and to what does he object?

> I've also just been watching "Yes Minister". :-)

> Jim

nothing changes in Westminster/Whitehall. It's still as topical as it was
40 years ago.

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On 07/08/2021 10:54, charles wrote:
> nothing changes in Westminster/Whitehall. It's still as topical as it was
> 40 years ago.

And apparently popular in other countries because they recognise
similarities to their own civil service.

In article <selmgj$9oq$3@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 07/08/2021 10:54, charles wrote:
> > nothing changes in Westminster/Whitehall. It's still as topical as it
> > was 40 years ago.

> And apparently popular in other countries because they recognise
> similarities to their own civil service.

It's not just the civil service

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 09:52:28 +0100, Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <slrnsgol9n.1g44.abuse@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> >> The key point was that he carefully chose a useful idiot as a means
>> >> to distance himself from the pre-baked decision to take an axe to
>> >> railways, thus 'encouraging' the public to move to what he and his
>> >> chumocracy could profit from.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Round objects
>
>> Who is Round and to what does he object?
>
> I've also just been watching "Yes Minister". :-)

I haven't seen it yet, but I remember it from the first time round.