In article <sm3fge$8jv$1@dont-email.me>,
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "Fredxx" <fredxx@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:sm3eef$tkn$2@dont-email.me...
> > On 05/11/2021 13:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:
> >>> On 05/11/2021 08:02, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
> >>>> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:
> >>>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea to
> >>>>> warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to make
> >>>>> starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used to the
> >>>>> ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill
> >>>> BANG !

> BANG - and the dirt is gone. BANG - and your clothes are gone. ;-)

> >>> No.
> >>>
> >>> More like Whooof!
> >>
> >> I ended up in A & E trying to use petrol to start a bonfire.
> >>
> >> Petrol vapour is heavy and stays at ground level and builds to a nice
> >> explosive mix.
> >>
> >> Doint mess with it - use diesel
> >
> > Not all generators work on diesel! :-)

> Given a choice, I'd go for one which did. Strange that there are very few
> (if any) diesel mowers - of walk-behind type, anyway.

Probably because there aren't many small diesel engines. I can can carry my
own 1kW petrol genny.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> It actually reminded me of a generator in a company I used to work for.
> They had a little oil burner thingy, warming a coiled up feed from the
> tank for the standby generator. I did point out at the time that this did
> seem illogical, since you would not be using it until the power went off,
> and then it would take time for the warm diesel to arrive anyway.

It would ensure that you don’t see wax in the
diesel feed that stops the diesel engine starting.

> This was back in the 70s.

> Michael Chare <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote
>> williamwright wrote

>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea to
>>> warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to make
>>> starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used to the
>>> ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>>
>>> Bill
>> Use a gas hob, with luck you should get a decent bang.
>
>

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
> Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.co.uk> wrote
>> On 05/11/2021 13:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2021 08:02, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>>>>> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:

>>>>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea to
>>>>>> warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to make
>>>>>> starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used to the
>>>>>> ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>> BANG !
>
> BANG - and the dirt is gone. BANG - and your clothes are gone. ;-)
>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> More like Whooof!
>>>
>>> I ended up in A & E trying to use petrol to start a bonfire.
>>>
>>> Petrol vapour is heavy and stays at ground level and builds to a nice
>>> explosive mix.
>>>
>>> Doint mess with it - use diesel
>>
>> Not all generators work on diesel! :-)

> Given a choice, I'd go for one which did.

There are no small diesel generators.

> Strange that there are very few (if any) diesel mowers - of walk-behind
> type, anyway.

Not really, the higher compression means
that they aren't really practical when small.

On 05/11/2021 16:43, Rod Speed wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
>> Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.co.uk> wrote
>>> On 05/11/2021 13:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:
>>>>> On 05/11/2021 08:02, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:
>
>>>>>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an
>>>>>>> idea to warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank,
>>>>>>> to make starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be
>>>>>>> used to the ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> BANG !
>>
>> BANG - and the dirt is gone. BANG - and your clothes are gone. ;-)
>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> More like Whooof!
>>>>
>>>> I ended up in A & E trying to use petrol to start a bonfire.
>>>>
>>>> Petrol vapour is heavy and stays at ground level and builds to a
>>>> nice explosive mix.
>>>>
>>>> Doint mess with it - use diesel
>>>
>>> Not all generators work on diesel! :-)
>
>> Given a choice, I'd go for one which did.
>
> There are no small diesel generators.

That depends on whether you call 49kg small. There are air cooled Yanmar
powered generators.

Hatz also make lightweight engines that are used for generators.

>> Strange that there are very few (if any) diesel mowers - of
>> walk-behind type, anyway.
>
> Not really, the higher compression means
> that they aren't really practical when small.

Even portable diesel generators has compression levers.

You obviously have an issue over diesels.

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
> Given a choice, I'd go for one which did. Strange that there are very few
> (if any) diesel mowers - of walk-behind type, anyway.
>
>

Not really. Heavier, harder to start, more expensive to make and who really
cares about the fuel consumption of their mower? Most folk want cheap,
easy starting engines. We have those.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

newshound <newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:
>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea to
>> warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to make
>> starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used to the
>> ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Completely daft. All you need to do is warm up the carburettor and
> cylinder with a fan heater, hair dryer, hot air gun, or even a gas torch
> if you are careful to waft it around and not cook the exposed wiring.
>

FFS. Can nobody here spot a wind up?

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
>>> Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.co.uk> wrote
>>>> On 05/11/2021 13:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/11/2021 08:02, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>>>>>>> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:

>>>>>>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea
>>>>>>>> to warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to
>>>>>>>> make starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used
>>>>>>>> to the ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> BANG !
>>>
>>> BANG - and the dirt is gone. BANG - and your clothes are gone. ;-)
>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More like Whooof!
>>>>>
>>>>> I ended up in A & E trying to use petrol to start a bonfire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Petrol vapour is heavy and stays at ground level and builds to a nice
>>>>> explosive mix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doint mess with it - use diesel
>>>>
>>>> Not all generators work on diesel! :-)
>>
>>> Given a choice, I'd go for one which did.
>>
>> There are no small diesel generators.

> That depends on whether you call 49kg small.

Corse not.

> There are air cooled Yanmar powered generators.

> Hatz also make lightweight engines that are used for generators.

But the small ones aren't diesel. Ours
were trailer mounted, for a reason.

>>> Strange that there are very few (if any) diesel mowers - of walk-behind
>>> type, anyway.
>>
>> Not really, the higher compression means
>> that they aren't really practical when small.

> Even portable diesel generators has compression levers.

But don’t get used with walk behind mowers, for a reason.

> You obviously have an issue over diesels.

Nope, they are by far the most reliable generators, but aren't small
enough to be convenient in a motorhome or when camping. The little
Honda petrol generators leave them for dead convenience wise.

Same with walk behind lawn mowers.

On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:

>
> Have you ever seen video of Russians in Siberia, lighting an open fire
> underneath a diesel truck to heat the fuel tank and lines! Safe enough
> if you know what you are doing.

When I worked on Highways in the late 60s that was how we started the
roller.

Bill

On 05/11/2021 18:45, Tim+ wrote:
> newshound <newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:
>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea to
>>> warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to make
>>> starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used to the
>>> ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Completely daft. All you need to do is warm up the carburettor and
>> cylinder with a fan heater, hair dryer, hot air gun, or even a gas torch
>> if you are careful to waft it around and not cook the exposed wiring.
>>
>
> FFS. Can nobody here spot a wind up?
>
> Tim
>
Evidently not.

Bill

On 06/11/2021 03:41, williamwright wrote:
> On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you ever seen video of Russians in Siberia, lighting an open fire
>> underneath a diesel truck to heat the fuel tank and lines! Safe enough
>> if you know what you are doing.
>
> When I worked on Highways in the late 60s that was how we started the
> roller.
>
> Bill

During the 62/63 winter lots of diesel vehicles were started
this way, mainly because the diesel goes waxy below a certain
temperature.

On 05/11/2021 12:45, newshound wrote:
> On 05/11/2021 08:02, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>> On 04/11/2021 19:23, williamwright wrote:
>>> If a generator was stored in an unheated room, would it be an idea to
>>> warm the petrol on the hob before putting it in the tank, to make
>>> starting easier? Obviously a different saucepan would be used to the
>>> ones used for food. Asking for a friend.
>>>
>>> Bill
>> BANG !
>
> No.
>
> More like Whooof!

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