Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
are the other 4?

And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
that since?

mike

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 04:37:13 -0800 (PST), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
>Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
>are the other 4?

Sangakkara, Lara, Jayawardene, and Ponting (to my surprise: I'd
guessed Gooch).
>
>And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
>played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
>but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
>that since?
>

The dual-nationality one is Sammy Woods, who Grace effectively
kidnapped to get him to play for England.

Cheers,

Mike

On 25/02/2023 12:47, Mike Holmans wrote:
>> And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
>> played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
>> but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
>> that since?

Several people did. They weren't as hung up about such things
in the 19thC.

> The dual-nationality one is Sammy Woods, who Grace effectively
> kidnapped to get him to play for England.

That was WE Midwinter. The others [so far] are WL Murdoch, JJ
Ferris, SMJ Woods and AE Trott. The only player with substantial Test
experience for two countries is KC Wessels. Wiki has lists, linked in
[eg] from their entries for any of the above players.

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On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 12:37:14 PM UTC, mike wrote:
> Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
> Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
> are the other 4?
>
> And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
> played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
> but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
> that since?
>
> mike

WE Midwinter. played for and against England and Australia

I think that is the only case. However there were instances of Australians who played for Oz and who later turned out for England against SA, eg, Sammy Wood and JJ Ferriss . RH

RH

On 25/02/2023 14:42, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 12:37:14 PM UTC, mike wrote:
>> Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
>> Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
>> are the other 4?
>>
>> And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
>> played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
>> but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
>> that since?
>>
>> mike
>
> WE Midwinter. played for and against England and Australia
>
> I think that is the only case.

Yes, apart from Billy Murdoch fielding as a substitute and taking a
catch for England against his own side at Lord's in 1884 (the first sub
cacth in a Test).

--
David North

In message <485df579-ed29-4032-b4c6-f62824abb5f8n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
>Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
>are the other 4?
>
>And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
>played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
>but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
>that since?
>
>mike

There may have been more than one. Eric Midwinter is one name that comes
to mind, rightly or wrongly. In Wisden's records section ISTR they used
to have a list of all the Test cricketers who have played for more than
one country. I'll see if I can find it... no luck, I'm afraid - I looked
in a couple of old editions without success.
--
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"Well, actually, they're American."
"So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
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On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:20:12 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
> In message <485df579-ed29-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
> >Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
> >are the other 4?
> >
> >And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
> >played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
> >but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
> >that since?
> >
> >mike
> There may have been more than one. Eric Midwinter is one name that comes
> to mind, rightly or wrongly. In Wisden's records section ISTR they used
> to have a list of all the Test cricketers who have played for more than
> one country. I'll see if I can find it... no luck, I'm afraid - I looked
> in a couple of old editions without success.
> --

Yes you are all correct, Midwinter was the player as hes the only 1 to
have played for and against both Oz and England, I think for Oz
in Oz against England, then he played for Gloucs where he was born,
played for England against Oz in Oz and then for Oz against England
in England. A very unusual career and life that ended rather tragically.

I wonder how he was received by the oz crowds in 1881/2 when he
played for england, and then back in england when he played for oz
in 1884? Cos then as now things could get quite heated. I remember
reading there was 1 tour match which nearly ended in a riot over an
umpire decision.

mike

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 9:57:21 AM UTC+10, mike wrote:
> I remember
> reading there was 1 tour match which nearly ended in a riot over an
> umpire decision.

Made me think of this story;
https://antiguaobserver.com/a-tale-of-three-ducks-and-a-two-year-ban-for-viv-richards/

On 25/02/2023 23:57, mike wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:20:12 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <485df579-ed29-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> Root is now 7th in the list of test batters with the most 150s.
>>> Ahead of him are Bradman and Tendulkar of course, who
>>> are the other 4?
>>>
>>> And now 1 i dont know. They mentioned that someone
>>> played for both england and oz in the 19th century,
>>> but i missed the name. Who was he, and has anyone done
>>> that since?
>>>
>>> mike
>> There may have been more than one. Eric Midwinter is one name that comes
>> to mind, rightly or wrongly. In Wisden's records section ISTR they used
>> to have a list of all the Test cricketers who have played for more than
>> one country. I'll see if I can find it... no luck, I'm afraid - I looked
>> in a couple of old editions without success.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283699.html

> Yes you are all correct, Midwinter was the player as hes the only 1 to
> have played for and against both Oz and England, I think for Oz
> in Oz against England, then he played for Gloucs where he was born,
> played for England against Oz in Oz and then for Oz against England
> in England. A very unusual career and life that ended rather tragically.

He's the only Test player to change sides twice. Boyd Rankin did it in
ODIs and T20Is.

--
David North