Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
--

Mike

On 07/11/2021 16:14, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>
Source?

You don’t need a TV Licence if you only ever use online services to
watch on demand or catch up programmes, except if you’re watching BBC
programmes on BBC iPlayer.

https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ104

--
Adrian C

Adrian Caspersz wrote:

> Mike Halmarack wrote:
>
>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>
> Source?
>
> You don’t need a TV Licence if you only ever use online services to watch on
> demand or catch up programmes, except if you’re watching BBC programmes on BBC
> iPlayer.

But beware that e.g sky news or GB news are "nearly live" on youtube, so would
need a licence

On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:14:13 +0000, Mike Halmarack
<mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the info. It's not that I'm stingy but I believe the Tories
and their mates have made enough from Covid and Brexit to pay for
their own propoganda machine.
--

Mike

On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:25:27 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>
>> Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>
>>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>>
>> Source?
>>
>> You don’t need a TV Licence if you only ever use online services to watch on
>> demand or catch up programmes, except if you’re watching BBC programmes on BBC
>> iPlayer.
>
>But beware that e.g sky news or GB news are "nearly live" on youtube, so would
>need a licence

Oh the irony! Paying the BBC to watch GBN! Was there ever a more
compelling argument for doing away with the anachronistic licence fee?
--

"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
private property ownership."

- Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto

On 07/11/2021 16:35, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:14:13 +0000, Mike Halmarack
> <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. It's not that I'm stingy but I believe the Tories
> and their mates have made enough from Covid and Brexit to pay for
> their own propoganda machine.
>

An estimated £5 billion has been lost to fraudulent Bounce back
loans and the other business loan and many of the culprits for
some reason seem to have names that are most common in
Pakistan, Bangladesh and other hot places.

On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 18:56:05 +0000, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

>On 07/11/2021 16:35, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:14:13 +0000, Mike Halmarack
>> <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info. It's not that I'm stingy but I believe the Tories
>> and their mates have made enough from Covid and Brexit to pay for
>> their own propoganda machine.
>>
>
>An estimated £5 billion has been lost to fraudulent Bounce back
>loans and the other business loan and many of the culprits for
>some reason seem to have names that are most common in
>Pakistan, Bangladesh and other hot places.

Did they need a licence?
--

Mike

On 07/11/2021 16:14, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>

Milke,

The criteria is "Live" so as Netflix now has some live sport, you may
need a licence if you watch it. Not so sure about YouTube.

From the official FAQ

https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ104

"If you watch TV programmes live on any online TV service, including
Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, ITV Hub or All 4, you need to be covered by
a TV Licence."

&

"You don’t need a TV Licence to watch on demand programmes on Netflix."

but how on earth they would know......
...... I suppose they could ask Netflix .....

Dave

On 08 Nov 2021 at 09:46:36 GMT, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/11/2021 16:14, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>
> Mike,
>
> The criteria is ...

criterion

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On 08/11/2021 09:46, David Wade wrote:
> On 07/11/2021 16:14, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>>
>
> Milke,
>
> The criteria is "Live" so as Netflix now has some live sport, you may
> need a licence if you watch it. Not so sure about YouTube.
>
It's Amazon Prime that carries some live sport, everything on Netflix
(so far) is non-live drama and documentaries.

David Wade wrote:

> The criteria is "Live"

though "live" is defined as

"where that programme is received at the same time (or virtually the same time)
as it is received by members of the public by virtue of its being broadcast or
distributed as part of that service."

Well, If you can watch those you are capable of watching the bbc in the same
way, so one supposes yes.
I mean the only exception I can find is if you have a device that only has
audio outputs, then you don't need one. Even a monitor on a computer needs
one if its connected to the internet by their definition.
Most problems seem to revolve around student accommodation with the
occupants all watching on tablets. That is a difficult one since these are
portable, and if you watch in the park or in your car parked up I doubt they
should need an extra licence.
Brian

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"Mike Halmarack" <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
> --
>
> Mike

If the bib did a subscription, would you pay for it. Its getting ridiculous
at the moment since everyone has a paid for offering. Would it really worry
anyone if all programs were delayed, say six months and first runs were on
subscription channels with no adverts.
The cost of subscribing and the completely different interfaces to each
service could be almost impossible for anyone to really afford or actually
use. No more point and soot program selection, and everyone has its own
guide in its own format, some have AD some don't its a nightmare for the non
tech savvy.
Brian

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"Cursitor Doom" <cd@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:25:27 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>>>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>>>
>>> Source?
>>>
>>> You don't need a TV Licence if you only ever use online services to
>>> watch on
>>> demand or catch up programmes, except if you're watching BBC programmes
>>> on BBC
>>> iPlayer.
>>
>>But beware that e.g sky news or GB news are "nearly live" on youtube, so
>>would
>>need a licence
>
> Oh the irony! Paying the BBC to watch GBN! Was there ever a more
> compelling argument for doing away with the anachronistic licence fee?
> --
>
> "In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
> against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
> movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
> private property ownership."
>
> - Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto

Perhaps those places are good for breeding new brains?
I don't know how this conversation got derailed, but I think its when
footers are bigger than the posts.
Brian

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"Andrew" <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 07/11/2021 16:35, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:14:13 +0000, Mike Halmarack
>> <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info. It's not that I'm stingy but I believe the Tories
>> and their mates have made enough from Covid and Brexit to pay for
>> their own propoganda machine.
>>
>
> An estimated �5 billion has been lost to fraudulent Bounce back
> loans and the other business loan and many of the culprits for
> some reason seem to have names that are most common in
> Pakistan, Bangladesh and other hot places.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 17:36:33 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:25:27 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>>>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>>>
>>> Source?
>>>
>>> You don’t need a TV Licence if you only ever use online services to watch on
>>> demand or catch up programmes, except if you’re watching BBC programmes on BBC
>>> iPlayer.
>>
>>But beware that e.g sky news or GB news are "nearly live" on youtube, so would
>>need a licence
>
>Oh the irony! Paying the BBC to watch GBN! Was there ever a more
>compelling argument for doing away with the anachronistic licence fee?

Keep your comments to yourself. Foreign git!

Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> If the bib did a subscription, would you pay for it.

I don’t subscribe to anything currently.

> Its getting ridiculous at the moment since everyone has a paid for
> offering.

Neither of my govt funded broadcasters
do, and we don’t have any TV license.

> Would it really worry anyone if all programs were delayed, say six months
> and first runs were on subscription channels with no adverts.

We actually made that illegal, the major sports
weren't allowed to only be on a subscription
service they had to be on free to air TV.

> The cost of subscribing and the completely different interfaces to each
> service could be almost impossible for anyone to really afford or actually
> use.

Not convinced about that.

> No more point and soot program selection, and everyone has its own guide
> in its own format, some have AD some don't its a nightmare for the non
> tech savvy.

Not sure about that.

> Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com> wrote
>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
>>> Adrian Caspersz wrote
>>>> Mike Halmarack wrote

>>>>> Just read on an official looking website that to watch Netflix or
>>>>> YouTube only, you nee a TV licence in the UK. Is this true?
>>>>
>>>> Source?
>>>>
>>>> You don't need a TV Licence if you only ever use online services to
>>>> watch on
>>>> demand or catch up programmes, except if you're watching BBC programmes
>>>> on BBC
>>>> iPlayer.
>>>
>>>But beware that e.g sky news or GB news are "nearly live" on youtube, so
>>>would
>>>need a licence
>>
>> Oh the irony! Paying the BBC to watch GBN! Was there ever a more
>> compelling argument for doing away with the anachronistic licence fee?
>> --
>>
>> "In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
>> against the existing social and political order of things. In all of
>> these
>> movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
>> private property ownership."
>>
>> - Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto
>
>

On 08/11/2021 10:27, Andy Burns wrote:
> David Wade wrote:
>
>> The criteria is "Live"
>
> though "live" is defined as
>
> "where that programme is received at the same time (or virtually the
> same time) as it is received by members of the public by virtue of its
> being broadcast or distributed as part of that service."

Virtually. Is there a legal meaning for that?

We've been complaining for weeks about the poor ping time on our
corporate VPN...

Andy

On 08/11/2021 14:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Well, If you can watch those you are capable of watching the bbc in the same
> way, so one supposes yes.
> I mean the only exception I can find is if you have a device that only has
> audio outputs, then you don't need one. Even a monitor on a computer needs
> one if its connected to the internet by their definition.
> Most problems seem to revolve around student accommodation with the
> occupants all watching on tablets. That is a difficult one since these are
> portable, and if you watch in the park or in your car parked up I doubt they
> should need an extra licence.

I think that the rules are that you can watch on your parents' home
licence, as long as your device is not connected to the mains. So
tablets and laptops are okay.

As they have no right of entry, I don't know how they could prove that a
device was plugged into the mains though.

If the student used a VPN to connect to their parents' home network,
they'd appear to be watching at home anyway.

On 08/11/2021 14:59, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> If the bib did a subscription, would you pay for it. Its getting ridiculous
> at the moment since everyone has a paid for offering. Would it really worry
> anyone if all programs were delayed, say six months and first runs were on
> subscription channels with no adverts.
> The cost of subscribing and the completely different interfaces to each
> service could be almost impossible for anyone to really afford or actually
> use. No more point and soot program selection, and everyone has its own
> guide in its own format, some have AD some don't its a nightmare for the non
> tech savvy.

The reason I don't buy a TV licence is that the wretched bbc gets the
money, and no-one else does, yet I have to pay if I want to watch other
channels ("live", from anywhere in the world), which get none of the
licence fee. I strongly object to this*.

So, while I have a TV, I don't use it to watch "live" programmes, or use
the wreched bbc's wretched iplayer to watch anything. I do not need a
licence.

They keep sending threatening letters, which I drop into the recycling.
The year before last, they said they'd send someone to see about it, but
didn't. More threatening letters ensued, then more "we'll send someone
'round", etc. Good for them. If they do send someone around, I will tell
them to go away. Let them in "to look around"? Fat chance. Should they
come back with a policeman and a search warrant, I will of course let
them in, and when they find I don't need a licence, tell them to go away
again.

What? I should tell them I don't need a licence? They'd send someone
around anyway, to check! No, let them waste their time.

THeir intent, AIUI, is to reform licence fee payments, putting a levy on
council tax or internet connection. I have the same objection to this as
before (*). It won't do.

The bbc should be either free, like other channels, a subscription
service, or be broken up and sold off to whoever wants its various assets.

Note: if you know someone who does need a TV licence, and lives in a
"cvare home", or qualifying assisted living accommodation, they can get
a full TV licence for £7.50/year. See TV licencing or the
accommodation's manager for details.

* Paying the bbc to watch other channels isn't acceptable. Compare
paying a fee to (for instance) Tesco to shop at Asda, or someone else.
That seems to me the same sort of idea, but who would not object to it!

Chris Bacon <chris.p.bacon@maildrop.cc> wrote:
>
> * Paying the bbc to watch other channels isn't acceptable. Compare
> paying a fee to (for instance) Tesco to shop at Asda, or someone else.
> That seems to me the same sort of idea, but who would not object to it!

However if you think of it like a 'dog licence' or a car's 'tax' then
it's not so odd. It was originally simply a tax for having a radio
(in pre TV days), to some extent the intent was so that the government
could keep an eye on people who had radios and thus might listen to
'naughty' programs from those dangerous spies and such overseas.

As the technology has totally changed over the years calling it a
Radio (or TV) Licence is misleading and confusing. Also, the rules
for when you need one, really can't be made to make sense.

--
Chris Green
·

On 09/11/2021 09:14, Chris Green wrote:
> Chris Bacon <chris.p.bacon@maildrop.cc> wrote:
>>
>> * Paying the bbc to watch other channels isn't acceptable. Compare
>> paying a fee to (for instance) Tesco to shop at Asda, or someone else.
>> That seems to me the same sort of idea, but who would not object to it!
>
> However if you think of it like a 'dog licence' or a car's 'tax' then
> it's not so odd. It was originally simply a tax for having a radio
> (in pre TV days), to some extent the intent was so that the government
> could keep an eye on people who had radios and thus might listen to
> 'naughty' programs from those dangerous spies and such overseas.
>
> As the technology has totally changed over the years calling it a
> Radio (or TV) Licence is misleading and confusing. Also, the rules
> for when you need one, really can't be made to make sense.
>
>
I've recently not renewed. The bizarre aspect of all of the chasing
letters I've received is that the "when you need a licence" criteria are
all different - even when stated on either side of the same letter!

PA