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 by: Petzl - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:56 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:51:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Max wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.
>
>>> But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.
>
>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is built in.
>
>No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.
>
The All in one HP uses "bang & olufsen" I always like quality
headphones
--
Petzl
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"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
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 by: Petzl - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 23:09 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:47:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>
>>> But still nothing like as fast as the best ram
>>> quite apart from the fact that no swap is ever
>>> needed if you have enough ram, so that is
>>> always 0 compared with something time wise.
>>>
>> Although RAM is faster, I doubt if speed is noticeable over a SSD
>> drive with "Intel® Optane™ Memory - Responsive Memory, Accelerated
>> Performance"
>> <https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/memory-storage/optane-memory.html>
>> https://tinyurl.com/ykxyykn9
>
>You'd be wrong about that, essentially because the
>speed of switching apps is 0 with enough ram and
>can never be 0 with any SSD.
>
>>>> The HP Touch screen offers $180 extra for 1TB
>>>> 1 TB PCIe® NVMe™ TLC M.2 SSD + $180.00
>>>
>>> Still better to spend that on more ram unless you
>>> only do quite minor stuff and are stupid enough to
>>> close apps when you stop using the particular app.
>
>> Doing away with mechanical drives makes a PC much faster.
>
>Irrelevant to the fact that enough ram is much faster again.
>
10 times faster, my "point" is 10 times of 0.00000000000001 = nothing
RAM is limited in size
<https://www.pcgamer.com/au/intel-optane-memory-everything-you-need-to-know/>
INTEL® OPTANE™ MEMORY
>
>> Life expectancy is five years.
>
>Life expectency is until you choose to upgrade with ram.
>
>> Yes RAM does have a slight edge
>
>It is in fact much more than a slight edge.
>
>> but is 16 GB better than 8 GB?
>
>Depends on what you do with the PC.
>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y788ho59
>>>> with 1 TB SSD it will cost $1100 instead of $900
--
Petzl
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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 23:56 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Max wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.

>>>> But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.

>>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is built in.

>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.

> The All in one HP uses "bang & olufsen"

No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.

> I always like quality headphones

Fuck that when using a PC.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 23:58 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> But still nothing like as fast as the best ram
>>>> quite apart from the fact that no swap is ever
>>>> needed if you have enough ram, so that is
>>>> always 0 compared with something time wise.
>>>>
>>> Although RAM is faster, I doubt if speed is noticeable over a SSD
>>> drive with "Intel® Optane™ Memory - Responsive Memory, Accelerated
>>> Performance"
>>> <https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/memory-storage/optane-memory.html>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/ykxyykn9
>>
>> You'd be wrong about that, essentially because the
>> speed of switching apps is 0 with enough ram and
>> can never be 0 with any SSD.
>>
>>>>> The HP Touch screen offers $180 extra for 1TB
>>>>> 1 TB PCIe® NVMe™ TLC M.2 SSD + $180.00
>>>>
>>>> Still better to spend that on more ram unless you
>>>> only do quite minor stuff and are stupid enough to
>>>> close apps when you stop using the particular app.
>>
>>> Doing away with mechanical drives makes a PC much faster.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the fact that enough ram is much faster again.

> 10 times faster,

> my "point" is 10 times of 0.00000000000001 = nothing

And mine is that 0 is always less than anything else.

> RAM is limited in size

The reality is that it is trivial and cheaper to have enough ram.

> <https://www.pcgamer.com/au/intel-optane-memory-everything-you-need-to-know/>
> INTEL® OPTANE™ MEMORY
>>
>>> Life expectancy is five years.
>>
>> Life expectency is until you choose to upgrade with ram.
>>
>>> Yes RAM does have a slight edge
>>
>> It is in fact much more than a slight edge.
>>
>>> but is 16 GB better than 8 GB?
>>
>> Depends on what you do with the PC.
>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y788ho59
>>>>> with 1 TB SSD it will cost $1100 instead of $900

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 by: Petzl - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 01:12 UTC

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:56:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>> Max wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.
>
>>>>> But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.
>
>>>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is built in.
>
>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.
>
>> The All in one HP uses "bang & olufsen"
>
>No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.
>
"bang & olufsen" are as good as one can get
<https://www.harveynorman.com.au/bang-olufsen-beosound-stage-soundbar.html>
Sound Bar $4,000
>
>> I always like quality headphones
>
>Fuck that when using a PC.
>
Well I prefer but each their own.
--
Petzl
With the exception of emergency aid for disasters such as floods and earthquakes,
most foreign aid is best described as taking money from poor people in rich countries
and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
Corruption is endemic.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 02:20 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.

>>>>>> But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.

>>>>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is built
>>>>> in.

>>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.

>>> The All in one HP uses "bang & olufsen"

>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.

> "bang & olufsen" are as good as one can get

Bullshit with such tiny speakers.

> <https://www.harveynorman.com.au/bang-olufsen-beosound-stage-soundbar.html>
> Sound Bar $4,000

>>> I always like quality headphones

>> Fuck that when using a PC.

> Well I prefer but each their own.

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 by: Petzl - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 04:08 UTC

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:20:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>>>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.
>
>>>>>>> But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.
>
>>>>>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is built
>>>>>> in.
>
>>>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.
>
>>>> The All in one HP uses "bang & olufsen"
>
>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.
>
>> "bang & olufsen" are as good as one can get
>
>Bullshit with such tiny speakers.
>
The sound on mine is very good
>
>> <https://www.harveynorman.com.au/bang-olufsen-beosound-stage-soundbar.html>
>> Sound Bar $4,000
>
>>>> I always like quality headphones
>
>>> Fuck that when using a PC.
>
>> Well I prefer but each their own.
--
Petzl
The good news is that the Hydroxychloroquine should save your life from the Covid-19.
The bad news is that you will be proving President Trump right.

Re: New computer

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:07 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>>>>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.

>>>>>>>> But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.

>>>>>>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is
>>>>>>> built in.

>>>>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.

>>>>> The All in one HP uses "bang & olufsen"

>>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.

>>> "bang & olufsen" are as good as one can get

>> Bullshit with such tiny speakers.

> The sound on mine is very good

Nothing like as good as the best external sound systems.

>>> <https://www.harveynorman.com.au/bang-olufsen-beosound-stage-soundbar.html>
>>> Sound Bar $4,000
>>
>>>>> I always like quality headphones
>>
>>>> Fuck that when using a PC.
>>
>>> Well I prefer but each their own.

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From: xenol...@optusnet.com.au (Xeno)
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 by: Xeno - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:44 UTC

On 12/4/2022 1:27 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> On 11/4/2022 7:51 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>> Max wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Almost always cheaper to build and you get exactly what
>>>>>> you want without having to compromise on any item.
>>>
>>>>>  But then you don't get things like built in speakers and web-cam.
>>>
>>>> If you want that shit then buy a laptop where *everything* is built in.
>>>
>>> No thanks, I prefer a PC with much better speakers.
>>
>> Ditto. My laptop has built ins, my PCs have external speakers as and
>> when required.
>
> If/when I want/need good quality sound, I connect my laptop via
> Bluetooth to my soundbar/woofer combination.

I have a JBL Charge3 for that and it works very well. My Yamaha soundbar
lives in front of the TV in the other room. I do have an older Yamaha
soundbar but it lacks a suitable bluetooth connection.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Emily Tibbet - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 02:13 UTC

Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> Thinking of building a new PC. It's many years since I made the one I'm
> using now.. http://www.auslink.info/pc  so I'm looking for better
> performance. (download speccy free to view if you don't already have
> it..  http://www.https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy ) I'm totally out of
> touch with the latest technology, so I'm wondering what ppl recommend?
> should I go AMD or Intel? I will use my existing HD and anything else I
> can from my current PC. I probably wont be able to use the RAM I guess,
> but maybe I can use the video card, and power supply, etc.,. I'll be
> working on a budget as I don't have a lot to spend on this exercise.
> I've started looking and found this so far..
> https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/amd-socket-am4/73630-ga-b450m-ds3h
> .. but then what processor should I get, RAM, etc., ? TIA
>

I did a similar task, upgrade with recycling. I got a new-old-stock
LGA1150 mainboard and a used Broadwell CPU for $250. It was noticeably
faster. I don't think Win11 would run on that, but I am of the penguin clan.

Why not buy one with a bit of history

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