On 20/08/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 1:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 20/8/2023 11:16 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> Not being able to get out easily is very bad design and as you say
>>>> potentially dangerous.
>>>
>>> I would have thought any car that locked you in with no means of
>>> getting out manually would be illegal.
>>>
>>
>> Agree, no one should need to do anything special to just exit a car.
>
> It's a bit bizarre.
>
> I have auto door lock enabled on the Ranger. Not something I've even
> considered until recent times until the wife had some drug skank open
> her passenger front door and try to knick her bag as she was stopped at
> a red light. The unfortunate thing for him is that the light had changed
> and she was taking off just as he leaned in to grab it, and the door
> slammed shut on his arm.
>
> Hope it broke it in 27 places and the cunt died a horrible death. He
> would have had I been there :)
>
> Anyway, that night we decided to enable auto door locking which were off
> by default. Pretty simple feature. Once the car hits 20km/h or
> thereabouts it locks all the doors and doesn't unlock them again until
> the car is stationary and the transmission put into park. It's a pretty
> decent safety feature which in these times of car jackings and general
> cuntiness is pretty handy.

Every US car has this either the doors lock as soon as it comes out of
park or when it exceeds 15mph. Also most US cars only unlock the drivers
door by default, to open the others, you need to do it from inside, or
sometime by a second click on the remote.

Not sure how yours stops car jacking since the doors are only locked
while moving. I don't like the feature much, I can see the possibility
of being in a crash with the doors locked preventing rescuers from
getting to you.

On 20/08/2023 6:44 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 4:03 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> I don't like those silly massive touch screens in any car, I've seen
>> videos of the MB screens and they do look impressive but IMHO
>> pointless since a driver is supposed to be looking at the road ahead,
>> not at a screen.
>> I do like digital speedos but they don't need to be huge or on a big
>> screen, just in front of the driver.
>>
>
> **Whilst I have not seen a digital speedo (dial type), I kinda prefer a
> mechanical one. Like those found in 1970s BMWs and other Euro cars.
> Clear and unambiguous.

Pretty hard to get any clearer or more unambiguous as this:

> https://www.onlineauto.com.au/media/images/articles/webp/2023-ford-ranger-wildtrak-v6-instrument-cluster.webp

Speed readout directly in front of you, in single km/h increments. If
you'd prefer a round dial type you can have one of those as well, but
it's on the large side. It takes up way more real estate on the dash and
prevents the trip computer from being displayed:

> https://www.trustmotors.co.nz/Motorcentral/VehicleData/TRU-bc11e2f6-031d-49a9-92b9-0b9d9bdaac14-17.jpg

FWIW: The Levorg mechanical speedo is a shitful
> thing. I never look at it. Luckily the digital speedo is very good. Fast
> updating and really obvious. Sadly, it is also obvious to SWMBO (aka:
> The Handbrake). I can no longer claim: "Oh it's the parallax error
> honey. I'm not really going that fast." Not that she ever bought that
> one either.

They never do :)

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Noddy.

On 20/08/2023 3:16 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 11:25 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 19/8/2023 7:27 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2023 9:29 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>  > I've had to hire car while travelling interstate.
>>>  >
>>>  > The one provided has all the automation mod-cons, and I hate it.
>>>  >
>>>  > Took me 15 minutes just to figure out how to turn the radio off.
>>>
>>> **Well, I guess that could be tricky.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > Later there was the question of head-lights. Turns out they're
>>> automatic too, but I had to read the manual to figure that out. They
>>> seem to stay on for a while after on leaves the car too, making me
>>> concerned about whether they're actually going to turn off.
>>>
>>> **Normal for any modern car. My 22 year old Nissan does that.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > And of course it has no proper hand brake - just a small lever
>>> that operates a motor somewhere.
>>>
>>> **VERY common on modern cars. WAY better than a regular parking
>>> brake. Works perfectly EVERY time. Unless you own a shitbox Mustang.
>>> That car is still mired in the 20th century.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > There isn't even a conventional gear-shift for the automatic
>>> transmission - just another little lever that one has to look at just
>>> to find and operate.
>>>
>>> **Yep. Normal.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > And there's no key. Just a fob that needs to be near the car for
>>> it to be possible to start it.
>>>
>>> **Also very common.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > Where was the need to make things so awkward?
>>>
>>> **They're not awkward at all. Just SLIGHTLY different. Are you
>>> turning into an old fart?
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, aren't we all:-)
>> I very much dislike electric cars, not because they are electric but
>> because the manufacturers seem to go out of their way to make them as
>> weird as possible with ridiculous dash boards that look like video
>> games and other weird and wonderful crap just for the sake of being
>> different.
>> Stuffed if I know why they don't just make them look and drive like
>> normal cars.
>>
>
> **You should take a look at the new, upmarket Mercs then. A Metre and a
> half of computer screen stretched out in front of you. Much as I dislike
> Mercs, I must say I like their mapping system. Very cool.
>
I saw that in an E series taxi in Denmark. The mapping system was huge
and very cool.

On 20/08/2023 7:34 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Anyway, that night we decided to enable auto door locking which were
>> off by default. Pretty simple feature. Once the car hits 20km/h or
>> thereabouts it locks all the doors and doesn't unlock them again until
>> the car is stationary and the transmission put into park. It's a
>> pretty decent safety feature which in these times of car jackings and
>> general cuntiness is pretty handy.
>
> Every US car has this either the doors lock as soon as it comes out of
> park or when it exceeds 15mph. Also most US cars only unlock the drivers
> door by default, to open the others, you need to do it from inside, or
> sometime by a second click on the remote.

You can select the same feature here with cars I've seen.

> Not sure how yours stops car jacking since the doors are only locked
> while moving.

The doors lock automatically once the car hits 20km/h and stay locked
until you unlock them when you get to wherever you're going.

I don't like the feature much, I can see the possibility
> of being in a crash with the doors locked preventing rescuers from
> getting to you.

That's the reason I speculated as to why Ford doesn't enable autolock on
the current Ranger even though the vehicle is capable of it. Because the
doors aren't automatically unlocked until you either press one of the
unlock buttons or physically open a door.

Doesn't bother me. If someone is keen enough to try to open a door to
get me out they're just as likely to bust a window to gain access if
they can't.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 20/8/2023 6:44 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 4:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 20/8/2023 3:16 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 20/08/2023 11:25 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 19/8/2023 7:27 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 19/08/2023 9:29 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>  > I've had to hire car while travelling interstate.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > The one provided has all the automation mod-cons, and I hate it.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > Took me 15 minutes just to figure out how to turn the radio off.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Well, I guess that could be tricky.
>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > Later there was the question of head-lights. Turns out they're
>>>>> automatic too, but I had to read the manual to figure that out.
>>>>> They seem to stay on for a while after on leaves the car too,
>>>>> making me concerned about whether they're actually going to turn off.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Normal for any modern car. My 22 year old Nissan does that.
>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > And of course it has no proper hand brake - just a small lever
>>>>> that operates a motor somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> **VERY common on modern cars. WAY better than a regular parking
>>>>> brake. Works perfectly EVERY time. Unless you own a shitbox
>>>>> Mustang. That car is still mired in the 20th century.
>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > There isn't even a conventional gear-shift for the automatic
>>>>> transmission - just another little lever that one has to look at
>>>>> just to find and operate.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Yep. Normal.
>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > And there's no key. Just a fob that needs to be near the car for
>>>>> it to be possible to start it.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Also very common.
>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > Where was the need to make things so awkward?
>>>>>
>>>>> **They're not awkward at all. Just SLIGHTLY different. Are you
>>>>> turning into an old fart?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> LOL, aren't we all:-)
>>>> I very much dislike electric cars, not because they are electric but
>>>> because the manufacturers seem to go out of their way to make them
>>>> as weird as possible with ridiculous dash boards that look like
>>>> video games and other weird and wonderful crap just for the sake of
>>>> being different.
>>>> Stuffed if I know why they don't just make them look and drive like
>>>> normal cars.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You should take a look at the new, upmarket Mercs then. A Metre and
>>> a half of computer screen stretched out in front of you. Much as I
>>> dislike Mercs, I must say I like their mapping system. Very cool.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't like those silly massive touch screens in any car, I've seen
>> videos of the MB screens and they do look impressive but IMHO
>> pointless since a driver is supposed to be looking at the road ahead,
>> not at a screen.
>> I do like digital speedos but they don't need to be huge or on a big
>> screen, just in front of the driver.
>>
>
> **Whilst I have not seen a digital speedo (dial type), I kinda prefer a
> mechanical one. Like those found in 1970s BMWs and other Euro cars.
> Clear and unambiguous. FWIW: The Levorg mechanical speedo is a shitful
> thing. I never look at it. Luckily the digital speedo is very good. Fast
> updating and really obvious. Sadly, it is also obvious to SWMBO (aka:
> The Handbrake). I can no longer claim: "Oh it's the parallax error
> honey. I'm not really going that fast." Not that she ever bought that
> one either.
>

LOL, same with our WRX, never looked at the analogue speedo, just used
the digital.

--
Daryl

On 20/8/2023 7:34 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 20/08/2023 1:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 20/8/2023 11:16 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> Not being able to get out easily is very bad design and as you say
>>>>> potentially dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> I would have thought any car that locked you in with no means of
>>>> getting out manually would be illegal.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agree, no one should need to do anything special to just exit a car.
>>
>> It's a bit bizarre.
>>
>> I have auto door lock enabled on the Ranger. Not something I've even
>> considered until recent times until the wife had some drug skank open
>> her passenger front door and try to knick her bag as she was stopped
>> at a red light. The unfortunate thing for him is that the light had
>> changed and she was taking off just as he leaned in to grab it, and
>> the door slammed shut on his arm.
>>
>> Hope it broke it in 27 places and the cunt died a horrible death. He
>> would have had I been there :)
>>
>> Anyway, that night we decided to enable auto door locking which were
>> off by default. Pretty simple feature. Once the car hits 20km/h or
>> thereabouts it locks all the doors and doesn't unlock them again until
>> the car is stationary and the transmission put into park. It's a
>> pretty decent safety feature which in these times of car jackings and
>> general cuntiness is pretty handy.
>
> Every US car has this either the doors lock as soon as it comes out of
> park or when it exceeds 15mph. Also most US cars only unlock the drivers
> door by default, to open the others, you need to do it from inside, or
> sometime by a second click on the remote.
>
> Not sure how yours stops car jacking since the doors are only locked
> while moving. I don't like the feature much, I can see the possibility
> of being in a crash with the doors locked preventing rescuers from
> getting to you.
>

AFAIK the doors on most if not all cars will unlock after an accident,
not sure how bad the accident needs to be before they unlock but 99%
sure they will unlock if the accident is bad enough to set off airbags.

--
Daryl

On 20/08/2023 9:33 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 20/8/2023 7:34 pm, Keithr0 wrote:

>> Not sure how yours stops car jacking since the doors are only locked
>> while moving. I don't like the feature much, I can see the possibility
>> of being in a crash with the doors locked preventing rescuers from
>> getting to you.
>>
>
>
> AFAIK the doors on most if not all cars will unlock after an accident,
> not sure how bad the accident needs to be before they unlock but 99%
> sure they will unlock if the accident is bad enough to set off airbags.

That's my understanding. I know both the Ranger and the Santa Fe will
automatically turn on the hazards, unlock the doors, and phone emergency
services.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 20/08/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 1:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 20/8/2023 11:16 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> Not being able to get out easily is very bad design and as you say
>>>> potentially dangerous.
>>>
>>> I would have thought any car that locked you in with no means of
>>> getting out manually would be illegal.
>>>
>>
>> Agree, no one should need to do anything special to just exit a car.
>
> It's a bit bizarre.
>
> I have auto door lock enabled on the Ranger. Not something I've even
> considered until recent times until the wife had some drug skank open
> her passenger front door and try to knick her bag as she was stopped at
> a red light. The unfortunate thing for him is that the light had changed
> and she was taking off just as he leaned in to grab it, and the door
> slammed shut on his arm.
>
> Hope it broke it in 27 places and the cunt died a horrible death. He
> would have had I been there :)

I'd have hoped he'd been trapped by his arm, and take the cunt for a
drive....

Auto-lock is great, and i presume is the same as yours.. activates at
20kmh... my only issue is when you've been driving for a while, and need
a piss.. pull over, get arounnd the drivers side, open the door to give
a bit of privacy, and the fucking thing is locked :-D

Love Forscan. Wouldnt be without it.

>
> Anyway, that night we decided to enable auto door locking which were off
> by default. Pretty simple feature. Once the car hits 20km/h or
> thereabouts it locks all the doors and doesn't unlock them again until
> the car is stationary and the transmission put into park. It's a pretty
> decent safety feature which in these times of car jackings and general
> cuntiness is pretty handy.

Interesting.. mine doesnt unlock... unless the ignition is turned off..

>
> When I got the Ranger I wondered if it had the same thing, as I'm sure
> the wife would prefer it to be enabled if it does. According to Ford and
> their website the car doesn't have that capability, but has a
> "convenient lock/unlock" button on each door that you can use. However
> according to Forscan it *does* have autolock capability, but it's just
> not enabled from the factory.
>
> I've used Forscan to enable the autolock (amongst other "hidden"
> features), and it works very well. But where it differs from the Hyundai
> is that it doesn't automatically unlock by itself when you stop the car
> and put the trans in park and in fact will only unlock if you manually
> open one of the doors.
>
> Just the way Ford thought of doing it I guess, but then the reason why
> autolock isn't enabled from the factory is most likely someone realised
> after the fact that in the event of an accident where the doors are
> locked and the occupant unconscious in the car you can't open the door
> from the outside and would need to break in to rescue them. This is
> obviously something that no one thought about at the time, and while I'm
> not particularly bothered by it I can clearly see a case for a civil
> suit if someone were to die as a result of outsiders not being able to
> open the car.
>
> Still, despite this any door can be opened from the inside easily even
> with the autolock engaged by using the manual handle, and I've never
> come across a car where the manual handle was made completely
> inoperative by an electronic lock.
>
>

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On 20/08/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 1:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 20/8/2023 11:16 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> Not being able to get out easily is very bad design and as you say
>>>> potentially dangerous.
>>>
>>> I would have thought any car that locked you in with no means of
>>> getting out manually would be illegal.
>>>
>>
>> Agree, no one should need to do anything special to just exit a car.
>
> It's a bit bizarre.
>
> I have auto door lock enabled on the Ranger. Not something I've even
> considered until recent times until the wife had some drug skank open
> her passenger front door and try to knick her bag as she was stopped at
> a red light. The unfortunate thing for him is that the light had changed
> and she was taking off just as he leaned in to grab it, and the door
> slammed shut on his arm.
>
> Hope it broke it in 27 places and the cunt died a horrible death. He
> would have had I been there :)

I'd have hoped he'd been trapped by his arm, and take the cunt for a
drive....

Auto-lock is great, and i presume is the same as yours.. activates at
20kmh... my only issue is when you've been driving for a while, and need
a piss.. pull over, get arounnd the drivers side, open the door to give
a bit of privacy, and the fucking thing is locked :-D

Love Forscan. Wouldnt be without it.

>
> Anyway, that night we decided to enable auto door locking which were off
> by default. Pretty simple feature. Once the car hits 20km/h or
> thereabouts it locks all the doors and doesn't unlock them again until
> the car is stationary and the transmission put into park. It's a pretty
> decent safety feature which in these times of car jackings and general
> cuntiness is pretty handy.

Interesting.. mine doesnt unlock... unless the ignition is turned off..

>
> When I got the Ranger I wondered if it had the same thing, as I'm sure
> the wife would prefer it to be enabled if it does. According to Ford and
> their website the car doesn't have that capability, but has a
> "convenient lock/unlock" button on each door that you can use. However
> according to Forscan it *does* have autolock capability, but it's just
> not enabled from the factory.
>
> I've used Forscan to enable the autolock (amongst other "hidden"
> features), and it works very well. But where it differs from the Hyundai
> is that it doesn't automatically unlock by itself when you stop the car
> and put the trans in park and in fact will only unlock if you manually
> open one of the doors.
>
> Just the way Ford thought of doing it I guess, but then the reason why
> autolock isn't enabled from the factory is most likely someone realised
> after the fact that in the event of an accident where the doors are
> locked and the occupant unconscious in the car you can't open the door
> from the outside and would need to break in to rescue them. This is
> obviously something that no one thought about at the time, and while I'm
> not particularly bothered by it I can clearly see a case for a civil
> suit if someone were to die as a result of outsiders not being able to
> open the car.
>
> Still, despite this any door can be opened from the inside easily even
> with the autolock engaged by using the manual handle, and I've never
> come across a car where the manual handle was made completely
> inoperative by an electronic lock.
>
>

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On 24/08/2023 10:26 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 20/08/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Hope it broke it in 27 places and the cunt died a horrible death. He
>> would have had I been there :)

> I'd have hoped he'd been trapped by his arm, and take the cunt for a
> drive....

Yeah, that would have been nice. Or have his arm trapped in the car
while you kicked his fucking teeth in. Sadly neither of those happened....

> Auto-lock is great, and i presume is the same as yours.. activates at
> 20kmh... my only issue is when you've been driving for a while, and need
> a piss.. pull over, get arounnd the drivers side, open the door to give
> a bit of privacy, and the fucking thing is locked :-D

Lol :)

Don't know why Ford don't enable it as standard as it's a great feature.
It has a quirk on my model in that the tailgate locks with the central
locking so with the roller shutter closed the tub is a secure storage
area. That's nice, but unless you unlock the car with the fob or open
the driver's door from the inside when autolock is engaged the tailgate
will stay locked if you open any of the other doors.

It's a bit bizarre when opening any of the doors from the inside unlocks
all of them :)

> Love Forscan. Wouldnt be without it.

Yeah, it's awesome. I'm slowly working my way through things to see what
works and what doesn't. Unfortunately a lot of the stuff from your model
or from the 2023 US stuff is different on the current Australian Ranger
which is a pain in the arse.

>> Anyway, that night we decided to enable auto door locking which were
>> off by default. Pretty simple feature. Once the car hits 20km/h or
>> thereabouts it locks all the doors and doesn't unlock them again until
>> the car is stationary and the transmission put into park. It's a
>> pretty decent safety feature which in these times of car jackings and
>> general cuntiness is pretty handy.
>
> Interesting.. mine doesnt unlock... unless the ignition is turned off..

They keep changing their minds every 10 minutes.

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Noddy.

On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:29:57 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>I've had to hire car while travelling interstate.
>
>The one provided has all the automation mod-cons, and I hate it.
>
>Took me 15 minutes just to figure out how to turn the radio off.
>
>Later there was the question of head-lights. Turns out they're automatic
>too, but I had to read the manual to figure that out. They seem to stay
>on for a while after on leaves the car too, making me concerned about
>whether they're actually going to turn off.
>
>And of course it has no proper hand brake - just a small lever that
>operates a motor somewhere.
>
>There isn't even a conventional gear-shift for the automatic
>transmission - just another little lever that one has to look at just to
>find and operate.
>
>And there's no key. Just a fob that needs to be near the car for it to
>be possible to start it.
>
>Where was the need to make things so awkward?
>
>Sylvia.

Might all be linked to the new plug-in diagnostic servicing computers
that the old-guard servicers hate.
Did you ever find out how to reduce the headlamp intensity?

On 25/8/2023 7:42 am, Noddy wrote:

>
> Yeah, that would have been nice. Or have his arm trapped in the car
> while you kicked his fucking teeth in. Sadly neither of those happened....
>
Ah Darren, all this aggressive talk from you whilst behind the keyboard!
Face to face you'd be a real pussy. When put to the test, your best form
is to *run away*. Especially so when asked to stump up proof of your
grandiose bullshit claims to apprenticeships and trade qualifications.
Whilst on that topic, how about stumping up some *tangible* proof
Darren? And, no, your say so won't cut it. I expect to hear the sound of
running feet receding into the distance! LOL

<excessive bullshit snipped>

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 25-Aug-23 9:01 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:29:57 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I've had to hire car while travelling interstate.
>>
>> The one provided has all the automation mod-cons, and I hate it.
>>
>> Took me 15 minutes just to figure out how to turn the radio off.
>>
>> Later there was the question of head-lights. Turns out they're automatic
>> too, but I had to read the manual to figure that out. They seem to stay
>> on for a while after on leaves the car too, making me concerned about
>> whether they're actually going to turn off.
>>
>> And of course it has no proper hand brake - just a small lever that
>> operates a motor somewhere.
>>
>> There isn't even a conventional gear-shift for the automatic
>> transmission - just another little lever that one has to look at just to
>> find and operate.
>>
>> And there's no key. Just a fob that needs to be near the car for it to
>> be possible to start it.
>>
>> Where was the need to make things so awkward?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Might all be linked to the new plug-in diagnostic servicing computers
> that the old-guard servicers hate.
> Did you ever find out how to reduce the headlamp intensity?
>
>

I didn't even go there. Once I'd determined that the things came on in
the dark, I ignored them.

Sylvia.