I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
of no interest to them at all.
In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you only
have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused people
to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7, just
sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs removed as
they were the final version.
The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
carry on using your old email client as well.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the products
are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for your
own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7, then
I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
Brian

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I agree entirely. I have an HP Z620 which would have cost £15K to £20K new
but around £500 from Bargain Hardware. Dual Xeons, 64 GB RAM and Windows
10. I'm safe from Windows 11 as it doesn't meet the specs.

Only thing to watch is lack of security updates with older OS versions but
third party virus checkers help.

When Win 10 dies I will be very tempted to go back to Win 8.1 with Open
Shell as it is very usable and I can find my way round it.

On 19/10/2023 in message <ugrfau$d93r$1@dont-email.me> Brian Gaff wrote:

>I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an
>old operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you
>mention it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective
>manner is of no interest to them at all.
>In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you
>only have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software
>or operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused
>people to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows
>7, just sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs
>removed as they were the final version.
>The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
>about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
>browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
>carry on using your old email client as well.
>Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the
>products are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod
>for your own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on
>Windows 7, then I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
>Brian

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How does a gender neutral bog differ from a unisex bog ?
It has a non-binary number on the door.

On 19/10/2023 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
> of no interest to them at all.
> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you only
> have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
> operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused people
> to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7, just
> sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs removed as
> they were the final version.
> The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
> about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
> browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
> question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
> carry on using your old email client as well.
> Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the products
> are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for your
> own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7, then
> I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.

I can't trype faster than this old box puts the letters up. While I
could get a box that's fasterer, why? I could also get loadsa memmory,
but unless one is mining cash-in-the-air or downloading *HYOOOOGE*
files, why?

I got on fine with an old Abstrad Worm Porcessor for ages. If I
re-elasticbanded the 3" drive to boot it up, (has a 3.5" one as well,
but not bootworthy for some reason) I could even get on the intertubes.
(Providing I could molish it to do something quickerer than dial-up)

That'd foil the spammers/scammers - I don't goove many offem *do* CP/M

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:43:38 +0100
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you

Nope, just that newer is supported and thus gets patches for
security holes - some of which will be present in the older OS (or hardware
for things like spectre and rowhammer).

Old hardware and up to date software is a good approach - but
Windows doesn't play too well with that.

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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
news:20231019163745.d2b6596dac855d3e0e3ecd6f@eircom.net:

> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:43:38 +0100
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when
>> you
>
> Nope, just that newer is supported and thus gets patches for
> security holes - some of which will be present in the older OS (or
> hardware for things like spectre and rowhammer).
>
> Old hardware and up to date software is a good approach - but
> Windows doesn't play too well with that.
>

I like up-to-date stuff, whether chips and disks or code. But that's just
me, I know plenty of folk who can't be doing with new-fangled gizmos and
eschew them, which I reckon is a perfectly reasonable whatsit. But then,
I'm an old fart.

--
Peter
-----

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:43:38 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
>operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
>it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
>of no interest to them at all.
>In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you only
>have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
>operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused people
>to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7, just
>sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs removed as
>they were the final version.
> The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
>about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
>browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
>carry on using your old email client as well.
> Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the products
>are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for your
>own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7, then
>I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
> Brian

You're preaching to the choir, in my case.
I stretched Win 98 SE and then XP Pro for many years
beyond their best-before dates.
Presently on a Vista era laptop that's running Win 8.1 Pro
being replaced due to a noisy fan < otherwise working fine >
... awaiting today's delivery of a refurb Win 10 Pro T560
< $ 269. Canadian >
John T.

On 19-Oct-23 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
> of no interest to them at all.
<snip>

There were always kids at school who would pick on anyone who stood out
in some way. It might be a bad haircut, funny glasses, being short, or
tall etc. etc. etc.

Those kids get older, but plenty of them never grow up so they carry on,
picking on anyone who dares to be different.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2023-10-19, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19/10/2023 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
>> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
>> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
>> of no interest to them at all.
>> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you only
>> have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
>> operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused people
>> to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7, just
>> sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs removed as
>> they were the final version.
>> The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
>> about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
>> browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>> question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
>> carry on using your old email client as well.
>> Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the products
>> are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for your
>> own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7, then
>> I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
>
> I can't trype faster than this old box puts the letters up. While I
> could get a box that's fasterer, why? I could also get loadsa memmory,
> but unless one is mining cash-in-the-air or downloading *HYOOOOGE*
> files, why?
>
> I got on fine with an old Abstrad Worm Porcessor for ages. If I
> re-elasticbanded the 3" drive to boot it up, (has a 3.5" one as well,
> but not bootworthy for some reason) I could even get on the intertubes.
> (Providing I could molish it to do something quickerer than dial-up)
>
> That'd foil the spammers/scammers - I don't goove many offem *do* CP/M
>

I called into a computer repair place in Dublin once and the man had an
old Amstrad in for cleaning. It was a wonderful machine, he said,
everything that a small business wanted. I think its editor was called
Locomation. Sugar was a bit of a character, I remember, started on
cheap musical things and got it right with that computer, except the
very scarce discs. I think that it could not format its own disks.

--
greymausg@mail.com
Death to the Influencers, hung, drawn and Quartered is more than they deserve.
Meantime, back at the Estancia, etc.

On 19/10/2023 22:13, maus wrote:
> On 2023-10-19, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
>>> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
>>> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
>>> of no interest to them at all.
>>> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you only
>>> have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
>>> operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused people
>>> to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7, just
>>> sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs removed as
>>> they were the final version.
>>> The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
>>> about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
>>> browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>>> question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
>>> carry on using your old email client as well.
>>> Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the products
>>> are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for your
>>> own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7, then
>>> I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
>>
>> I can't trype faster than this old box puts the letters up. While I
>> could get a box that's fasterer, why? I could also get loadsa memmory,
>> but unless one is mining cash-in-the-air or downloading *HYOOOOGE*
>> files, why?
>>
>> I got on fine with an old Abstrad Worm Porcessor for ages. If I
>> re-elasticbanded the 3" drive to boot it up, (has a 3.5" one as well,
>> but not bootworthy for some reason) I could even get on the intertubes.
>> (Providing I could molish it to do something quickerer than dial-up)
>>
>> That'd foil the spammers/scammers - I don't goove many offem *do* CP/M
>>
>
> I called into a computer repair place in Dublin once and the man had an
> old Amstrad in for cleaning. It was a wonderful machine, he said,
> everything that a small business wanted. I think its editor was called
> Locomation. Sugar was a bit of a character, I remember, started on
> cheap musical things and got it right with that computer, except the
> very scarce discs. I think that it could not format its own disks.
>
Locoscript, Locoscript II, and for DOS, Locoscript Professional IIRC

The word processor was perfectly able to format the 3" discs, and 3.5
drives have been fitted, but I think those can't (or couldn't then) be
made bootable.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 19 Oct 2023 21:13:26 GMT
maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> Sugar was a bit of a character

Alan M. Sugar - want to guess what his employees decided the M
stood for ?

Suffice it to say he was not a well liked boss.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 20/10/2023 00:17, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2023 21:13:26 GMT
> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> Sugar was a bit of a character
>
> Alan M. Sugar - want to guess what his employees decided the M
> stood for ?
>
> Suffice it to say he was not a well liked boss.
>
Not magnificant or munificent then?

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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Yes, in fact if Microsoft were really clever, they should have had a machine
that you could skin to look like Classic windows, but with all the extras
just additional menu choices, then if you did not want to spend time trying
to figure out how the new interface works, you need not. I think one of the
biggest reasons people hate modern Windows is the Ribbon menu system, which
is very powerful but completely counter intuitive if you actually want to do
something.
Why is it, if it were so good that Firefox uses the original menu format,
an in the main, Edge uses a combination of that and bleedin obvious buttons.

Re inventing the weal so its triangular seems crazy to me.
Brian

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"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:xn0o89z9vdabyr300n@news.individual.net...
>
> I agree entirely. I have an HP Z620 which would have cost �15K to �20K new
> but around �500 from Bargain Hardware. Dual Xeons, 64 GB RAM and Windows
> 10. I'm safe from Windows 11 as it doesn't meet the specs.
>
> Only thing to watch is lack of security updates with older OS versions but
> third party virus checkers help.
>
> When Win 10 dies I will be very tempted to go back to Win 8.1 with Open
> Shell as it is very usable and I can find my way round it.
>
> On 19/10/2023 in message <ugrfau$d93r$1@dont-email.me> Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>>I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an
>>old operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you
>>mention it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective
>>manner is of no interest to them at all.
>>In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you
>>only have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software
>>or operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused
>>people to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows
>>7, just sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs
>>removed as they were the final version.
>>The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
>>about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support you
>>browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>>question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
>>carry on using your old email client as well.
>>Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the
>>products are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod
>>for your own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on
>>Windows 7, then I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
>>Brian
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> How does a gender neutral bog differ from a unisex bog ?
> It has a non-binary number on the door.

Actually a modern SSD is really all you need in a slightly older computer to
make it faster to load and save stuff, and the reliability is as good now as
the mechanical drive.
However my first ssd, went down in a couple of years and was completely
knackered. The new ones seem to be far better, again, that was the price I
paid for going in too early, then bugs were lurking hiding to popup just
after the warranty ran out.
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 19/10/2023 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an
>> old
>> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you
>> mention
>> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner
>> is
>> of no interest to them at all.
>> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you
>> only
>> have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
>> operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused
>> people
>> to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7,
>> just
>> sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs removed
>> as
>> they were the final version.
>> The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this faffing
>> about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support
>> you
>> browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>> question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could just
>> carry on using your old email client as well.
>> Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the
>> products
>> are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for
>> your
>> own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7,
>> then
>> I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
>
> I can't trype faster than this old box puts the letters up. While I could
> get a box that's fasterer, why? I could also get loadsa memmory, but
> unless one is mining cash-in-the-air or downloading *HYOOOOGE* files, why?
>
> I got on fine with an old Abstrad Worm Porcessor for ages. If I
> re-elasticbanded the 3" drive to boot it up, (has a 3.5" one as well, but
> not bootworthy for some reason) I could even get on the intertubes.
> (Providing I could molish it to do something quickerer than dial-up)
>
> That'd foil the spammers/scammers - I don't goove many offem *do* CP/M
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

If you install Classic Shell (Free to install, no adverts) on your New!
Shiny! Windows machine, you can choose to have it work the same way as
Windows XP, 2000 or 7. This applies to both the start menu and Windows
File Explorer.

If you <Shift+Click> on the start button, you get the start menu
installed by your Windows install medium.

On 20/10/2023 09:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yes, in fact if Microsoft were really clever, they should have had a machine
> that you could skin to look like Classic windows, but with all the extras
> just additional menu choices, then if you did not want to spend time trying
> to figure out how the new interface works, you need not. I think one of the
> biggest reasons people hate modern Windows is the Ribbon menu system, which
> is very powerful but completely counter intuitive if you actually want to do
> something.
> Why is it, if it were so good that Firefox uses the original menu format,
> an in the main, Edge uses a combination of that and bleedin obvious buttons.
>
> Re inventing the weal so its triangular seems crazy to me.
> Brian
>

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Z80 chip.
Their pcs however were very robust machines with proper floppies and
mechanical hard drives. Where I worked they had a 1640 wired up to a set of
machine tools and churned out comples shaped items in a very dusty
environment for many years.

Brian

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"maus" <maus@deb2.org> wrote in message
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> On 2023-10-19, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an
>>> old
>>> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you
>>> mention
>>> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner
>>> is
>>> of no interest to them at all.
>>> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when you
>>> only
>>> have to look around the various forums to see that it is new software or
>>> operating systems and their over the top extra security that caused
>>> people
>>> to pull their hair out. The rest of us using I phone 10r or Windows 7,
>>> just
>>> sail along with software that may be old but has had all the bugs
>>> removed as
>>> they were the final version.
>>> The one time we get bitten is on line to email with all of this
>>> faffing
>>> about with 2 factor authentication and this web site does not support
>>> you
>>> browser messages. Both of these could be easily fixed by the site in
>>> question, and as long as you agreed not to use two factor, you could
>>> just
>>> carry on using your old email client as well.
>>> Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but until, or if the
>>> products
>>> are made easy to use and bug free, updating is often making a rod for
>>> your
>>> own back. Of course in my case, if Dropbox stops working on Windows 7,
>>> then
>>> I will have to upgrade, but no sign of it as yet.
>>
>> I can't trype faster than this old box puts the letters up. While I
>> could get a box that's fasterer, why? I could also get loadsa memmory,
>> but unless one is mining cash-in-the-air or downloading *HYOOOOGE*
>> files, why?
>>
>> I got on fine with an old Abstrad Worm Porcessor for ages. If I
>> re-elasticbanded the 3" drive to boot it up, (has a 3.5" one as well,
>> but not bootworthy for some reason) I could even get on the intertubes.
>> (Providing I could molish it to do something quickerer than dial-up)
>>
>> That'd foil the spammers/scammers - I don't goove many offem *do* CP/M
>>
>
> I called into a computer repair place in Dublin once and the man had an
> old Amstrad in for cleaning. It was a wonderful machine, he said,
> everything that a small business wanted. I think its editor was called
> Locomation. Sugar was a bit of a character, I remember, started on
> cheap musical things and got it right with that computer, except the
> very scarce discs. I think that it could not format its own disks.
>
> --
> greymausg@mail.com
> Death to the Influencers, hung, drawn and Quartered is more than they
> deserve.
> Meantime, back at the Estancia, etc.

In case anybody is struggling to find it Classic Shell has gone open
source and been renamed Open Shell:

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

Still free and works on Windows up to Win 11.

On 20/10/2023 in message <kpes3gFrq5uU1@mid.individual.net> John
Williamson wrote:

>If you install Classic Shell (Free to install, no adverts) on your New!
>Shiny! Windows machine, you can choose to have it work the same way as
>Windows XP, 2000 or 7. This applies to both the start menu and Windows
>File Explorer.
>
>If you <Shift+Click> on the start button, you get the start menu installed
>by your Windows install medium.
>
>On 20/10/2023 09:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>Yes, in fact if Microsoft were really clever, they should have had a
>>machine
>>that you could skin to look like Classic windows, but with all the extras
>>just additional menu choices, then if you did not want to spend time
>>trying
>>to figure out how the new interface works, you need not. I think one of
>>the
>>biggest reasons people hate modern Windows is the Ribbon menu system,
>>which
>>is very powerful but completely counter intuitive if you actually want to
>>do
>>something.
>>Why is it, if it were so good that Firefox uses the original menu format,
>>an in the main, Edge uses a combination of that and bleedin obvious
>>buttons.
>>
>>Re inventing the weal so its triangular seems crazy to me.
>>Brian
>>

--
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Remember, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.

On 2023-10-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2023 21:13:26 GMT
> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> Sugar was a bit of a character
>
> Alan M. Sugar - want to guess what his employees decided the M
> stood for ?
>
> Suffice it to say he was not a well liked boss.
>

The Donald as it was in England, I missremember

--
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Death to the Influencers, hung, drawn and Quartered is more than they deserve.
Meantime, back at the Estancia, etc.

On 2023-10-20, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually a modern SSD is really all you need in a slightly older computer to
> make it faster to load and save stuff, and the reliability is as good now as
> the mechanical drive.
> However my first ssd, went down in a couple of years and was completely
> knackered. The new ones seem to be far better, again, that was the price I
> paid for going in too early, then bugs were lurking hiding to popup just
> after the warranty ran out.
> Brian
>

Got one last week, incredibly fast, still wondering where it fits my
system.

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In article <ugsufj$s3r2$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar
..girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 05:08:18 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 20/10/2023 00:17, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On 19 Oct 2023 21:13:26 GMT
>> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sugar was a bit of a character
>>
>> Alan M. Sugar - want to guess what his employees decided the M
>> stood for ?
>>
>> Suffice it to say he was not a well liked boss.
>>
>Not magnificant or munificent then?
>
>
Munch?
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Peter said:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
>> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In my view they are brainwashed into thinking newer is better, when
>>> you
>>
>> Nope, just that newer is supported and thus gets patches for
>> security holes - some of which will be present in the older OS (or
>> hardware for things like spectre and rowhammer).
>>
>> Old hardware and up to date software is a good approach - but
>> Windows doesn't play too well with that.
>>
>
> I like up-to-date stuff, whether chips and disks or code. But that's just
> me, I know plenty of folk who can't be doing with new-fangled gizmos and
> eschew them, which I reckon is a perfectly reasonable whatsit. But then,
> I'm an old fart.

I buy new hardware when I want to do something the existing setup can't
cope with. Or when something blows up, whichever comes first.

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Sam Plusnet said:
> On 19-Oct-23 15:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I've noticed recently that if you choose to use an old computer with an old
>> operating system you get a certain kind of sneered response if you mention
>> it. The fact that it does the jobs in an efficient and effective manner is
>> of no interest to them at all.
><snip>
>
> There were always kids at school who would pick on anyone who stood out
> in some way. It might be a bad haircut, funny glasses, being short, or
> tall etc. etc. etc.
>
> Those kids get older, but plenty of them never grow up so they carry on,
> picking on anyone who dares to be different.

I had an odd conversation the other day; Bloke With Lanyard Round Neck
knocked on the door, "What do you want ?". It seemed to be that he was
telling me the phone landline was going to be upgraded to fibre in
maybe-2025, I'm not sure why he needed to do that. But along the way he
kept asking about my wifi speed - I *think* he was expecting me to be
doing internet via wifi over a pocketgadget; told me a) my contract was
extremely cheap and b) landline broadband internet is extremely
old-fashioned. "Go figure", as they say.

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On 20 Oct 2023 08:37:16 GMT
"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

>
> In case anybody is struggling to find it Classic Shell has gone open
> source and been renamed Open Shell:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> Still free and works on Windows up to Win 11.
>
>

No Windows XP support! </joking>

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On 20/10/2023 in message
<20231020114555.f9583438ed81c7325b0b0bbc@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

>On 20 Oct 2023 08:37:16 GMT
>"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>In case anybody is struggling to find it Classic Shell has gone open
>>source and been renamed Open Shell:
>>
>>https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>>
>>Still free and works on Windows up to Win 11.
>>
>>
>
>No Windows XP support! </joking>

:-)

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On 20/10/2023 09:37, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> In case anybody is struggling to find it Classic Shell has gone open
> source and been renamed Open Shell:
>
> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>
> Still free and works on Windows up to Win 11.
>
>
> On 20/10/2023 in message <kpes3gFrq5uU1@mid.individual.net> John
> Williamson wrote:
>
>> If you install Classic Shell (Free to install, no adverts) on your
>> New! Shiny! Windows machine, you can choose to have it work the same
>> way as Windows XP, 2000 or 7. This applies to both the start menu and
>> Windows File Explorer.
>>
>> If you <Shift+Click> on the start button, you get the start menu
>> installed by your Windows install medium.
>>
>> On 20/10/2023 09:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Yes, in fact if Microsoft were really clever, they should have had a
>>> machine
>>> that you could skin to look like Classic windows, but with all the
>>> extras
>>> just additional menu choices, then if you did not want to spend time
>>> trying
>>> to figure out how the new interface works, you need not. I think one
>>> of the
>>> biggest reasons people hate modern Windows is the Ribbon menu system,
>>> which
>>> is very powerful but completely counter intuitive if you actually
>>> want to do
>>> something.
>>> Why is it, if it were so good that Firefox uses the original menu
>>> format,
>>> an in the main, Edge uses a combination of that and bleedin obvious
>>> buttons.
>>>
>>> Re inventing the weal so its triangular seems crazy to me.
>>> Brian
>>>
>
>
>

I've tried Openshell, but went back to Start10 (now Start11) from
Stardock software. OK, it costs but the price seems minimal to me ~£5 or
~£11 for 5 installs.

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On 20/10/2023 11:45, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On 20 Oct 2023 08:37:16 GMT
> "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In case anybody is struggling to find it Classic Shell has gone open
>> source and been renamed Open Shell:
>>
>> https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
>>
>> Still free and works on Windows up to Win 11.
>>
>>
>
> No Windows XP support! </joking>
>
No support for my old Windows 3.00/ chamine either

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