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* New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
+* Re: New printer recommendationsR. Mark Clayton
|`* Re: New printer recommendationsBrian Gaff \(Sofa\)
| `- Re: New printer recommendationsAndy Burns
+- Re: New printer recommendationsAndy Burns
`* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 +* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 |+* Re: New printer recommendationsR. Mark Clayton
 ||`* Re: New printer recommendationsTweed
 || +* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 || |`- Re: New printer recommendationsTweed
 || `- Re: New printer recommendationsJNugent
 |+* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 ||`* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 || +* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 || |`* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 || | +- Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 || | +* Re: New printer recommendationsFigaro
 || | |`* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 || | | `- Re: New printer recommendationsFigaro
 || | `* Re: New printer recommendationsJava Jive
 || |  `* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
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 || |   +* Re: New printer recommendationsMax Demian
 || |   |`- Re: New printer recommendationsJeff Layman
 || |   `* Re: New printer recommendationsDave W
 || |    `* Re: New printer recommendationsJava Jive
 || |     `* Re: New printer recommendationsMike
 || |      `- Re: New printer recommendationsDave W
 || `* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 ||  `* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 ||   `* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 ||    `- Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 |`* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 | +- Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 | `* Re: New printer recommendationsWoody
 |  +- Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 |  `* Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 |   +* Re: New printer recommendationsWoody
 |   |+- Re: New printer recommendationsTony Gamble
 |   |`- Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 |   `* Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
 |    `- Re: New printer recommendationsNorman Wells
 `* Re: New printer recommendationsMB
  +- Re: New printer recommendationsIndy Jess John
  +* Re: New printer recommendationswilliamwright
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 by: Norman Wells - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 09:46 UTC

I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?

My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
that, I'd be interested to know too.

When printing very thin black vertical lines, as in the printer test
pattern, all the lines start as one, then diverge slightly for 1.65cm
into two with a very small gap between them hardly visible to the naked
eye, before merging back into one again, absolutely reproducibly. It's
as if this is a deliberate feature of the test pattern, but I find that
a bit hard to believe. However, it does seem to result in rather blurry
very small print.

Any comments on what to do appreciated.

Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?

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 by: R. Mark Clayton - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 09:52 UTC

On Sunday, 12 September 2021 at 10:46:31 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>
> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
> that, I'd be interested to know too.
>
> When printing very thin black vertical lines, as in the printer test
> pattern, all the lines start as one, then diverge slightly for 1.65cm
> into two with a very small gap between them hardly visible to the naked
> eye, before merging back into one again, absolutely reproducibly. It's
> as if this is a deliberate feature of the test pattern, but I find that
> a bit hard to believe. However, it does seem to result in rather blurry
> very small print.
>
> Any comments on what to do appreciated.
>
> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?

Get a Brother one. Which one will depend on what other features you want - feeder, duplex, A3, fax etc.

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 by: Andy Burns - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 10:28 UTC

Norman Wells wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
> wi-fi inkjet printer

Get one of them new laser inkjets :-)

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 by: Indy Jess John - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 11:21 UTC

On 12/09/2021 10:46, Norman Wells wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>
> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
> that, I'd be interested to know too.

If your 7750 is anything like my IP4300, then the ink cartridges sit on
top of a printing unit which makes the print. It sounds as though some
of the nozzles are clogged and the blockage is too solid for the normal
cleaning routine to clear.

You can remove all the ink cartridges and then there is a release lever
that takes out the printing unit. You can buy replacement units on
ebay, but if it is just blocked rather than faulty, then soaking it
overnight in a shallow bath of isopropyl alcohol followed by blotting it
on some kitchen towel and refitting it and going through the cleansing
process might bring it back to full working order.
BTDTGTTS.

> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>
It would help if you can give an indication of how much you are prepared
to pay. I have looked at the Which recommendations and they range in
price from £670 down to £160, but they point out that what you need
depends largely on how you intend to use it. Some make a better job of
printing photos than others, while others excel at normal black
printing. Some printers waste a lot of ink if used infrequently but are
cheap to run for longer print jobs whilst others use a lot of ink
producing print but if only used infrequently this won't matter much.
Some have double sided printing capability and others don't, some have
multipage scanners while others have only a single sheet capability.

You get the picture; without knowing how you intend to use it which
hasn't got a single "ideal" choice, because they all have Pros and Cons
and usage patterns affect the impact of them. Among their "top 20" there
are 10 Epsons (Mostly the pricy "Ecotank" models) 4 HPs and 6 Canons.
Despite reviewing Brother models, none of them scored highly enough to
get in the top 20.

They also have some interesting findings in their customer satisfaction
survey where owners of a Brother printer are most satisfied with the one
they use but are least likely to buy another Brother simply because of
the brand name. Epson owners are similarly not automatically inclined to
buy another Epson. The greatest brand loyalty is for Canon, closely
followed by HP.

Jim

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 by: Norman Wells - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:01 UTC

On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 10:46, Norman Wells wrote:
>> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
>> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>>
>> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
>> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
>> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
>> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
>> nozzles or performing a head alignment.  If anyone has any ideas about
>> that, I'd be interested to know too.
>
> If your 7750 is anything like my IP4300, then the ink cartridges sit on
> top of a printing unit which makes the print.  It sounds as though some
> of the nozzles are clogged and the blockage is too solid for the normal
> cleaning routine to clear.
>
> You can remove all the ink cartridges and then there is a release lever
> that takes out the printing unit.  You can buy replacement units on
> ebay, but if it is just blocked rather than faulty, then soaking it
> overnight in a shallow bath of isopropyl alcohol followed by blotting it
> on some kitchen towel and refitting it and going through the cleansing
> process might bring it back to full working order.
> BTDTGTTS.
>
>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>>
> It would help if you can give an indication of how much you are prepared
> to pay. I have looked at the Which recommendations and they range in
> price from £670 down to £160, but they point out that what you need
> depends largely on how you intend to use it. Some make a better job of
> printing photos than others, while others excel at normal black
> printing. Some printers waste a lot of ink if used infrequently but are
> cheap to run for longer print jobs whilst others use a lot of ink
> producing print but if only used infrequently this won't matter much.
> Some have double sided printing capability and others don't, some have
> multipage scanners while others have only a single sheet capability.
>
> You get the picture; without knowing how you intend to use it which
> hasn't got a single "ideal" choice, because they all have Pros and Cons
> and usage patterns affect the impact of them. Among their "top 20" there
> are 10 Epsons (Mostly the pricy "Ecotank" models) 4 HPs and 6 Canons.
> Despite reviewing Brother models, none of them scored highly enough to
> get in the top 20.
>
> They also have some interesting findings in their customer satisfaction
> survey where owners of a Brother printer are most satisfied with the one
> they use but are least likely to buy another Brother simply because of
> the brand name. Epson owners are similarly not automatically inclined to
> buy another Epson. The greatest brand loyalty is for Canon, closely
> followed by HP.

Thanks for all that. I don't use the printer for anything very
complicated or commercial but only for normal home use, so i don't
really need duplex printing for example even though my current 7750 does
that. I guess I'd be happy spending up to about £200 for a replacement
but would of course like the highest quality printing at the price, as I
like to print my own Christmas cards. I print only a few hundred sheets
a year, so am not a heavy user.

It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
if you could let me know please. I'm familiar with Canon and it may
make the transition easier, as well as helping me to look them up.

I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?
If it's like mine, it will have a black fine line grid at the top then
bands of the various colours at different intensities below. It would
be very interesting to know if you print one out whether the vertical
lines in the grid diverge and rejoin as I've described. If it's like
mine, you have to look very closely as it's not apparent without a
magnifying glass or, being short-sighted, taking your glasses off and
holding it very close.

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 by: R. Mark Clayton - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 15:06 UTC

On Sunday, 12 September 2021 at 13:01:15 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
> > On 12/09/2021 10:46, Norman Wells wrote:
> >> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
> >> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
> >>
> >> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
> >> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
> >> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
> >> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
> >> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
> >> that, I'd be interested to know too.
> >
> > If your 7750 is anything like my IP4300, then the ink cartridges sit on
> > top of a printing unit which makes the print. It sounds as though some
> > of the nozzles are clogged and the blockage is too solid for the normal
> > cleaning routine to clear.
> >
> > You can remove all the ink cartridges and then there is a release lever
> > that takes out the printing unit. You can buy replacement units on
> > ebay, but if it is just blocked rather than faulty, then soaking it
> > overnight in a shallow bath of isopropyl alcohol followed by blotting it
> > on some kitchen towel and refitting it and going through the cleansing
> > process might bring it back to full working order.
> > BTDTGTTS.
> >
> >> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
> >> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
> >>
> > It would help if you can give an indication of how much you are prepared
> > to pay. I have looked at the Which recommendations and they range in
> > price from £670 down to £160, but they point out that what you need
> > depends largely on how you intend to use it. Some make a better job of
> > printing photos than others, while others excel at normal black
> > printing. Some printers waste a lot of ink if used infrequently but are
> > cheap to run for longer print jobs whilst others use a lot of ink
> > producing print but if only used infrequently this won't matter much.
> > Some have double sided printing capability and others don't, some have
> > multipage scanners while others have only a single sheet capability.
> >
> > You get the picture; without knowing how you intend to use it which
> > hasn't got a single "ideal" choice, because they all have Pros and Cons
> > and usage patterns affect the impact of them. Among their "top 20" there
> > are 10 Epsons (Mostly the pricy "Ecotank" models) 4 HPs and 6 Canons.
> > Despite reviewing Brother models, none of them scored highly enough to
> > get in the top 20.
> >
> > They also have some interesting findings in their customer satisfaction
> > survey where owners of a Brother printer are most satisfied with the one
> > they use but are least likely to buy another Brother simply because of
> > the brand name. Epson owners are similarly not automatically inclined to
> > buy another Epson. The greatest brand loyalty is for Canon, closely
> > followed by HP.
> Thanks for all that. I don't use the printer for anything very
> complicated or commercial but only for normal home use, so i don't
> really need duplex printing for example even though my current 7750 does
> that. I guess I'd be happy spending up to about £200 for a replacement
> but would of course like the highest quality printing at the price, as I
> like to print my own Christmas cards. I print only a few hundred sheets
> a year, so am not a heavy user.
>
> It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
> if you could let me know please. I'm familiar with Canon and it may
> make the transition easier, as well as helping me to look them up.
>
> I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?
> If it's like mine, it will have a black fine line grid at the top then
> bands of the various colours at different intensities below. It would
> be very interesting to know if you print one out whether the vertical
> lines in the grid diverge and rejoin as I've described. If it's like
> mine, you have to look very closely as it's not apparent without a
> magnifying glass or, being short-sighted, taking your glasses off and
> holding it very close.

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&rlz=1C1ASRM_enGB610GB610&tbm=shop&sxsrf=AOaemvLTAVwGK0K0HXs5fCINnHG4wUgG7g:1631458707481&q=brother+colour+mfc+printer&tbs=mr:1,new:1,pdtr0:959658%7C3639070,pdtr1:960414%7C960897,pdtr2:960877%7C960879,pdtr3:960880%7C960882,pdtr4:960893%7C960894,pdtr5:2100260%7C2100261&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF4uWl2fnyAhWMDsAKHY8mCdMQsysIsAQoAA&biw=1574&bih=975

Gives a long list - the Brother MFC-J895DW looks the most economical to buy, and is certainly high resolution.
Spec' https://www.brother.co.uk/printers/inkjet-printers/mfc-j895dw

From about £120

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R. Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, 12 September 2021 at 13:01:15 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
>> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>> On 12/09/2021 10:46, Norman Wells wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
>>>> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>>>>
>>>> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
>>>> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
>>>> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
>>>> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
>>>> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
>>>> that, I'd be interested to know too.
>>>
>>> If your 7750 is anything like my IP4300, then the ink cartridges sit on
>>> top of a printing unit which makes the print. It sounds as though some
>>> of the nozzles are clogged and the blockage is too solid for the normal
>>> cleaning routine to clear.
>>>
>>> You can remove all the ink cartridges and then there is a release lever
>>> that takes out the printing unit. You can buy replacement units on
>>> ebay, but if it is just blocked rather than faulty, then soaking it
>>> overnight in a shallow bath of isopropyl alcohol followed by blotting it
>>> on some kitchen towel and refitting it and going through the cleansing
>>> process might bring it back to full working order.
>>> BTDTGTTS.
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>>>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>>>>
>>> It would help if you can give an indication of how much you are prepared
>>> to pay. I have looked at the Which recommendations and they range in
>>> price from £670 down to £160, but they point out that what you need
>>> depends largely on how you intend to use it. Some make a better job of
>>> printing photos than others, while others excel at normal black
>>> printing. Some printers waste a lot of ink if used infrequently but are
>>> cheap to run for longer print jobs whilst others use a lot of ink
>>> producing print but if only used infrequently this won't matter much.
>>> Some have double sided printing capability and others don't, some have
>>> multipage scanners while others have only a single sheet capability.
>>>
>>> You get the picture; without knowing how you intend to use it which
>>> hasn't got a single "ideal" choice, because they all have Pros and Cons
>>> and usage patterns affect the impact of them. Among their "top 20" there
>>> are 10 Epsons (Mostly the pricy "Ecotank" models) 4 HPs and 6 Canons.
>>> Despite reviewing Brother models, none of them scored highly enough to
>>> get in the top 20.
>>>
>>> They also have some interesting findings in their customer satisfaction
>>> survey where owners of a Brother printer are most satisfied with the one
>>> they use but are least likely to buy another Brother simply because of
>>> the brand name. Epson owners are similarly not automatically inclined to
>>> buy another Epson. The greatest brand loyalty is for Canon, closely
>>> followed by HP.
>> Thanks for all that. I don't use the printer for anything very
>> complicated or commercial but only for normal home use, so i don't
>> really need duplex printing for example even though my current 7750 does
>> that. I guess I'd be happy spending up to about £200 for a replacement
>> but would of course like the highest quality printing at the price, as I
>> like to print my own Christmas cards. I print only a few hundred sheets
>> a year, so am not a heavy user.
>>
>> It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
>> if you could let me know please. I'm familiar with Canon and it may
>> make the transition easier, as well as helping me to look them up.
>>
>> I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?
>> If it's like mine, it will have a black fine line grid at the top then
>> bands of the various colours at different intensities below. It would
>> be very interesting to know if you print one out whether the vertical
>> lines in the grid diverge and rejoin as I've described. If it's like
>> mine, you have to look very closely as it's not apparent without a
>> magnifying glass or, being short-sighted, taking your glasses off and
>> holding it very close.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&rlz=1C1ASRM_enGB610GB610&tbm=shop&sxsrf=AOaemvLTAVwGK0K0HXs5fCINnHG4wUgG7g:1631458707481&q=brother+colour+mfc+printer&tbs=mr:1,new:1,pdtr0:959658%7C3639070,pdtr1:960414%7C960897,pdtr2:960877%7C960879,pdtr3:960880%7C960882,pdtr4:960893%7C960894,pdtr5:2100260%7C2100261&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF4uWl2fnyAhWMDsAKHY8mCdMQsysIsAQoAA&biw=1574&bih=975
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>
> Gives a long list - the Brother MFC-J895DW looks the most economical to
> buy, and is certainly high resolution.
> Spec' https://www.brother.co.uk/printers/inkjet-printers/mfc-j895dw
>
> From about £120
>

Brother DCP-L3510CDW Colour Laser Printer - All-in-One, Wireless/USB 2.0,
Printer/Scanner/Copier, 2 Sided Printing, 18PPM, A4 Printer

About £250

I have similar though minus the scanner. The big plus point is it is a
laser so no drying out of nozzles. Brother, unless they’ve changed lately,
supply full toner cartridges rather than starter cartridges. I’ve had mine
a few years now and it is still on the original cartridges and hasn’t given
a moment of trouble. Prints from my Windows machine, Raspberry Pi and does
AirPrint from my iPad and phone.

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 by: Indy Jess John - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:06 UTC

On 12/09/2021 13:01, Norman Wells wrote:
> It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
> if you could let me know please. I'm familiar with Canon

I put a search into Which? for Canon all-in-one inkjet printers with
wifi and asked for the list in ascending order of price.

I then collected the quick summaries of the tester's reports, and these
are as follows.

Canon Pixma TS3350 Score 52. Price £40
Although it won't cost you a fortune to run, its print quality just
isn't good enough for us to recommend you buy it over other options that
are available.
Pros:
Affordable running costs
Decent office graphics print quality
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Good scanner
Cons:
Mediocre black-text prints
Poor photo prints
Manual double sided printing
Grainy mono copies
Combined colour cartridge

Canon Pixma MG3650S Score 58. Price £40
The Pixma MG3650S is like an indie band's tricky second album. The
MG3650 was an excellent Best Buy, but this successor hasn't hit the same
winning notes. It's a very good printer but not up there with the best
we've tested.
Pros:
Affordable printing costs
Excellent scanner and copier
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Automatic double-sided printing
Budget price
Cons:
Colour print quality worse than previous model
Some design issues

Canon TS3150 DON'T BUY Score 39.

Canon TS3151 DON'T BUY Score 39.

Canon Pixma TS3450 Score 56. Price £45
This affordable all-in-one inkjet model prints and scans reliably
enough, and it has some decent bells and whistles, including wireless
functionality and borderless photo printing. It’s expensive to run
though, guzzling ink faster than you will like.
Pros:
Sharp black text
Good photo quality
Very fast
Cons:
No automatic double-sided printing
Expensive to run

Canon Pixma TS3452 Score 56. Price 45
This affordable all-in-one inkjet model prints and scans reliably
enough, and it has some decent bells and whistles, including wireless
functionality and borderless photo printing. It’s expensive to run
though, guzzling ink faster than you will like.
Pros:
Sharp black text
Good photoquality
Very fast
Cons:
Expensive to run
No automaticdouble-sided printing

Canon Pixma TR4550 Score 56. Price £50
The Canon Pixma TR4550 improves on the TR7550 (58%) and TR8550 (56%)
models higher up the range, but still lacks the extra quality to trouble
our Best Buys.
Pros:
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Automatic document feeder
Automatic double-sided printing
Good scanner and copier
Reasonable printing costs
Good photo and images prints
Cons:
Black-text prints are mediocre
Combined colour cartridge
Tricky to access paper path and replace ink cartridges

Canon Pixma TS5150 Score 61. Price £60
It's a decent inkjet printer, but not much more than that. Print quality
is rather underwhelming but printing costs are reasonably affordable,
something not always true of Canon inkjets.
Pros:
Good at printing photos
Affordable printing costs
Lots of connectivity and network printing options
Touchscreen control
Cons:
Mediocre black text prints
Combined colour cartridge

Canon Pixma TS3451 Score 56. Price £70
This affordable all-in-one inkjet model prints and scans reliably
enough, and it has some decent bells and whistles, including wireless
functionality and borderless photo printing. It’s expensive to run
though, guzzling ink faster than you will like.
Pros:
Sharp black text
Good photo quality
Very fast
Cons:
Expensive to run
No automatic double-sided printing

Canon Pixma TS5350 Score 59. Price £70
Any printer that scores more than 60% is worth considering, but this
Canon model has only narrowly scraped into that level. Make sure you
browse all our reviews before buying.
Pros:
Good and fast black-text prints
Decent with images and graphics
Excellent scanner
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Cons:
Mediocre photo print quality
Grainy mono copies
High printing costs
Combined colour cartridge
Slow at printing photos

Canon Pixma TS5351 Score 59. Price £70
Any printer that scores more than 60% is worth considering, but this
Canon model has only narrowly scraped into that level. Make sure you
browse all our reviews before buying.
Pros:
Good and fast black-text prints
Decent with images and graphics
Excellent scanner
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Cons:
Mediocre photo print quality
Grainy mono copies
High printing costs
Combined colour cartridge
Slow at printing photos

Canon Pixma TS5352 Score 59. Price £70
Any printer that scores more than 60% is worth considering, but this
Canon model has only narrowly scraped into that level. Make sure you
browse all our reviews before buying.
Pros:
Good and fast black-text prints
Decent with images and graphics
Excellent scanner
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Cons:
Mediocre photo print quality
Grainy mono copies
High printing costs
Combined colour cartridge
Slow at printing photos

Canon TS7451 Score 55. Price £80
Quality is solid across all printing, scanning and copying jobs, but
this model can drag its heels a little with certain tasks. Worse, it’s
uneconomical to run.
Pros:
Easy to use
Good all-round performance
Useful automatic document feeder
Cons:
Expensive to run
Slow at scanning text
No SD card slot

Canon Maxify MB2150 Score 58. Price £125
Considering the price you're paying, you'd expect a better-quality
printer. There are positives, but they're rendered null by its lack of
ink efficiency.
Pros:
Good print quality
Copies and scans well
Auto document feeder
Double-sided printing
AirPrint
Wi-fi
Cons:
High ink running costs
Noisy
No ethernet

Canon Maxify MB2155 Score 57. Price £125
Considering the price you're paying, you'd expect a better-quality
printer in return. There are positives, but they're rendered null by its
lack of ink efficiency.
Pros:
Good print quality
Copies and scans well
Auto document feeder
Double-sided printing
AirPrint
Wi-fi
Cons:
High ink running costs
Noisy
No ethernet

Canon TS7450 Score 55. Price £130
Quality is solid across all printing, scanning and copying jobs, but
this model can drag its heels a little with certain tasks. Worse, it’s
decidedly uneconomical to run.
Pros:
Easy to use
Good all-round performance
Useful automatic document feeder
Cons:
Expensive to run
Slow at scanning text
No SD card slot

Canon Pixma TS5151 Score 61. Price £138
It's a decent inkjet printer, but not much more than that. Print quality
is rather underwhelming but printing costs are reasonably affordable,
something not always true of Canon inkjets.
Pros:
Good at printing photos
Affordable printing costs
Lots of connectivity and network printing options
Touchscreen control
Cons:
Mediocre black text prints
Combined colour cartridge

Canon Pixma TS8350 Score 58. Price £140
This printer is a classic case of why you should never buy a product
purely based on its specs. It promises a lot, but you'll repeatedly be
shopping to restock on ink.
Pros:
Good photo and images prints
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Memory card slot
Touchscreen control
Automatic double-sided printing
Cons:
Mediocre black text printing
Underwhelming copier
Very high printing costs

Canon Pixma TS6350 Score 61. Price £142
It's one of the better printers we've tested in the Canon Pixma TS
range, but still not good enough for us to recommend you buy it over
better options.
Pros:
Good overall print quality
Quick print speeds
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Automatic double-sided printing
Excellent scanner
Cons:
High running costs
Mediocre copier

Canon Maxify MB2750 Score 59. Price £145
Considering the price, you'd rightly expect a better-quality printer.
There are positives, but they're rendered null by its lack of ink
efficiency.
Pros:
Good print quality
Copies and scans well
Auto document feeder
Double-sided printing
AirPrint
Wi-fi
Twin paper cassette
Cons:
High ink running costs
Noisy
No ethernet

Canon Pixma TS6351 Score 61. Price £150
It's one of the better printers we've tested in the Canon Pixma TS
range, but still not good enough for us to recommend you buy it over
better options.
Pros:
Good overall print quality
Quick print speeds
Wi-fi
AirPrint
Automatic double-sided printing
Excellent scanner
Cons:
High running costs
Mediocre copier


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On 12/09/2021 13:01, Norman Wells wrote:
> I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?

I have a pretty ancient Canon. I have repaired it twice so far because
none of the more modern ones are as good for what I want to do.

My test print contains a coloured graphic, some sample Truetype fonts in
different sizes followed by a list of all the DLLs that the driver
calls. So I cant get your example to examine.

Jim

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On 12/09/2021 16:42, Tweed wrote:
> R. Mark Clayton<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, 12 September 2021 at 13:01:15 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
>>> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>>> On 12/09/2021 10:46, Norman Wells wrote:
>>>>> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
>>>>> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>>>>>
>>>>> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
>>>>> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
>>>>> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
>>>>> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
>>>>> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
>>>>> that, I'd be interested to know too.
>>>>
>>>> If your 7750 is anything like my IP4300, then the ink cartridges sit on
>>>> top of a printing unit which makes the print. It sounds as though some
>>>> of the nozzles are clogged and the blockage is too solid for the normal
>>>> cleaning routine to clear.
>>>>
>>>> You can remove all the ink cartridges and then there is a release lever
>>>> that takes out the printing unit. You can buy replacement units on
>>>> ebay, but if it is just blocked rather than faulty, then soaking it
>>>> overnight in a shallow bath of isopropyl alcohol followed by blotting it
>>>> on some kitchen towel and refitting it and going through the cleansing
>>>> process might bring it back to full working order.
>>>> BTDTGTTS.
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>>>>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>>>>>
>>>> It would help if you can give an indication of how much you are prepared
>>>> to pay. I have looked at the Which recommendations and they range in
>>>> price from £670 down to £160, but they point out that what you need
>>>> depends largely on how you intend to use it. Some make a better job of
>>>> printing photos than others, while others excel at normal black
>>>> printing. Some printers waste a lot of ink if used infrequently but are
>>>> cheap to run for longer print jobs whilst others use a lot of ink
>>>> producing print but if only used infrequently this won't matter much.
>>>> Some have double sided printing capability and others don't, some have
>>>> multipage scanners while others have only a single sheet capability.
>>>>
>>>> You get the picture; without knowing how you intend to use it which
>>>> hasn't got a single "ideal" choice, because they all have Pros and Cons
>>>> and usage patterns affect the impact of them. Among their "top 20" there
>>>> are 10 Epsons (Mostly the pricy "Ecotank" models) 4 HPs and 6 Canons.
>>>> Despite reviewing Brother models, none of them scored highly enough to
>>>> get in the top 20.
>>>>
>>>> They also have some interesting findings in their customer satisfaction
>>>> survey where owners of a Brother printer are most satisfied with the one
>>>> they use but are least likely to buy another Brother simply because of
>>>> the brand name. Epson owners are similarly not automatically inclined to
>>>> buy another Epson. The greatest brand loyalty is for Canon, closely
>>>> followed by HP.
>>> Thanks for all that. I don't use the printer for anything very
>>> complicated or commercial but only for normal home use, so i don't
>>> really need duplex printing for example even though my current 7750 does
>>> that. I guess I'd be happy spending up to about £200 for a replacement
>>> but would of course like the highest quality printing at the price, as I
>>> like to print my own Christmas cards. I print only a few hundred sheets
>>> a year, so am not a heavy user.
>>>
>>> It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
>>> if you could let me know please. I'm familiar with Canon and it may
>>> make the transition easier, as well as helping me to look them up.
>>>
>>> I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?
>>> If it's like mine, it will have a black fine line grid at the top then
>>> bands of the various colours at different intensities below. It would
>>> be very interesting to know if you print one out whether the vertical
>>> lines in the grid diverge and rejoin as I've described. If it's like
>>> mine, you have to look very closely as it's not apparent without a
>>> magnifying glass or, being short-sighted, taking your glasses off and
>>> holding it very close.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&rlz=1C1ASRM_enGB610GB610&tbm=shop&sxsrf=AOaemvLTAVwGK0K0HXs5fCINnHG4wUgG7g:1631458707481&q=brother+colour+mfc+printer&tbs=mr:1,new:1,pdtr0:959658%7C3639070,pdtr1:960414%7C960897,pdtr2:960877%7C960879,pdtr3:960880%7C960882,pdtr4:960893%7C960894,pdtr5:2100260%7C2100261&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF4uWl2fnyAhWMDsAKHY8mCdMQsysIsAQoAA&biw=1574&bih=975
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>>
>> Gives a long list - the Brother MFC-J895DW looks the most economical to
>> buy, and is certainly high resolution.
>> Spec' https://www.brother.co.uk/printers/inkjet-printers/mfc-j895dw
>>
>> From about £120
>>
>
> Brother DCP-L3510CDW Colour Laser Printer - All-in-One, Wireless/USB 2.0,
> Printer/Scanner/Copier, 2 Sided Printing, 18PPM, A4 Printer
>
> About £250
>
> I have similar though minus the scanner. The big plus point is it is a
> laser so no drying out of nozzles. Brother, unless they’ve changed lately,
> supply full toner cartridges rather than starter cartridges. I’ve had mine
> a few years now and it is still on the original cartridges and hasn’t given
> a moment of trouble. Prints from my Windows machine, Raspberry Pi and does
> AirPrint from my iPad and phone.
>
Part of the stated requirement was to be able to print Christmas cards.

I don't know what the spec is for the Brother, but a lot of laser
printers don't like card thicknesses.

Jim

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Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 16:42, Tweed wrote:
>> R. Mark Clayton<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 12 September 2021 at 13:01:15 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
>>>> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>>>> On 12/09/2021 10:46, Norman Wells wrote:
>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
>>>>>> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
>>>>>> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
>>>>>> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
>>>>>> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
>>>>>> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
>>>>>> that, I'd be interested to know too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your 7750 is anything like my IP4300, then the ink cartridges sit on
>>>>> top of a printing unit which makes the print. It sounds as though some
>>>>> of the nozzles are clogged and the blockage is too solid for the normal
>>>>> cleaning routine to clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can remove all the ink cartridges and then there is a release lever
>>>>> that takes out the printing unit. You can buy replacement units on
>>>>> ebay, but if it is just blocked rather than faulty, then soaking it
>>>>> overnight in a shallow bath of isopropyl alcohol followed by blotting it
>>>>> on some kitchen towel and refitting it and going through the cleansing
>>>>> process might bring it back to full working order.
>>>>> BTDTGTTS.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>>>>>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It would help if you can give an indication of how much you are prepared
>>>>> to pay. I have looked at the Which recommendations and they range in
>>>>> price from £670 down to £160, but they point out that what you need
>>>>> depends largely on how you intend to use it. Some make a better job of
>>>>> printing photos than others, while others excel at normal black
>>>>> printing. Some printers waste a lot of ink if used infrequently but are
>>>>> cheap to run for longer print jobs whilst others use a lot of ink
>>>>> producing print but if only used infrequently this won't matter much.
>>>>> Some have double sided printing capability and others don't, some have
>>>>> multipage scanners while others have only a single sheet capability.
>>>>>
>>>>> You get the picture; without knowing how you intend to use it which
>>>>> hasn't got a single "ideal" choice, because they all have Pros and Cons
>>>>> and usage patterns affect the impact of them. Among their "top 20" there
>>>>> are 10 Epsons (Mostly the pricy "Ecotank" models) 4 HPs and 6 Canons.
>>>>> Despite reviewing Brother models, none of them scored highly enough to
>>>>> get in the top 20.
>>>>>
>>>>> They also have some interesting findings in their customer satisfaction
>>>>> survey where owners of a Brother printer are most satisfied with the one
>>>>> they use but are least likely to buy another Brother simply because of
>>>>> the brand name. Epson owners are similarly not automatically inclined to
>>>>> buy another Epson. The greatest brand loyalty is for Canon, closely
>>>>> followed by HP.
>>>> Thanks for all that. I don't use the printer for anything very
>>>> complicated or commercial but only for normal home use, so i don't
>>>> really need duplex printing for example even though my current 7750 does
>>>> that. I guess I'd be happy spending up to about £200 for a replacement
>>>> but would of course like the highest quality printing at the price, as I
>>>> like to print my own Christmas cards. I print only a few hundred sheets
>>>> a year, so am not a heavy user.
>>>>
>>>> It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
>>>> if you could let me know please. I'm familiar with Canon and it may
>>>> make the transition easier, as well as helping me to look them up.
>>>>
>>>> I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?
>>>> If it's like mine, it will have a black fine line grid at the top then
>>>> bands of the various colours at different intensities below. It would
>>>> be very interesting to know if you print one out whether the vertical
>>>> lines in the grid diverge and rejoin as I've described. If it's like
>>>> mine, you have to look very closely as it's not apparent without a
>>>> magnifying glass or, being short-sighted, taking your glasses off and
>>>> holding it very close.
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&rlz=1C1ASRM_enGB610GB610&tbm=shop&sxsrf=AOaemvLTAVwGK0K0HXs5fCINnHG4wUgG7g:1631458707481&q=brother+colour+mfc+printer&tbs=mr:1,new:1,pdtr0:959658%7C3639070,pdtr1:960414%7C960897,pdtr2:960877%7C960879,pdtr3:960880%7C960882,pdtr4:960893%7C960894,pdtr5:2100260%7C2100261&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF4uWl2fnyAhWMDsAKHY8mCdMQsysIsAQoAA&biw=1574&bih=975
>>>
>>>
>>> Gives a long list - the Brother MFC-J895DW looks the most economical to
>>> buy, and is certainly high resolution.
>>> Spec' https://www.brother.co.uk/printers/inkjet-printers/mfc-j895dw
>>>
>>> From about £120
>>>
>>
>> Brother DCP-L3510CDW Colour Laser Printer - All-in-One, Wireless/USB 2.0,
>> Printer/Scanner/Copier, 2 Sided Printing, 18PPM, A4 Printer
>>
>> About £250
>>
>> I have similar though minus the scanner. The big plus point is it is a
>> laser so no drying out of nozzles. Brother, unless they’ve changed lately,
>> supply full toner cartridges rather than starter cartridges. I’ve had mine
>> a few years now and it is still on the original cartridges and hasn’t given
>> a moment of trouble. Prints from my Windows machine, Raspberry Pi and does
>> AirPrint from my iPad and phone.
>>
> Part of the stated requirement was to be able to print Christmas cards.
>
> I don't know what the spec is for the Brother, but a lot of laser
> printers don't like card thicknesses.
>
> Jim
>
>

Takes paper/card up to 163gsm.

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 by: Norman Wells - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:19 UTC

On 12/09/2021 20:06, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 13:01, Norman Wells wrote:
>> It would be handy to know the Canon model numbers recommended by Which?
>> if you could let me know please.  I'm familiar with Canon
>
> I put a search into Which? for Canon all-in-one inkjet printers with
> wifi and asked for the list in ascending order of price.
>
> I then collected the quick summaries of the tester's reports, and these
> are as follows.

<snipped review summaries>

Thank you very much indeed for that. It's much appreciated.

I haven't decided what to do yet, having been busy taking out the print
head, washing that out, doing a head alignment etc. The stripiness
disappears when I increase the print quality from 'standard' to 'high'
so that may be an acceptable solution, but it's still annoyingly there
on 'standard' and I don't understand why. What does the printer
actually do to make the two modes different?

Can I ask if you've printed out a 'nozzle check pattern' on your printer
and if you've noticed the fine vertical line divergence I mentioned? It
would be really interesting to me to know if it's a deliberate, possibly
secret, inclusion in the test pattern for some reason, or if it's just
my printer playing games.

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 by: Norman Wells - Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:24 UTC

On 12/09/2021 20:10, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 13:01, Norman Wells wrote:
>> I guess your Canon has a facility, like mine, to print out a test page?
>
> I have a pretty ancient Canon.  I have repaired it twice so far because
> none of the more modern ones are as good for what I want to do.
>
> My test print contains a coloured graphic, some sample Truetype fonts in
> different sizes followed by a list of all the DLLs that the driver
> calls.  So I cant get your example to examine.

Sorry, I've just asked you elsewhere if you'd done that. The test print
I mentioned is actually designated a 'nozzle check pattern' under
'maintenance' on the printer, and I don't know if you've got anything
similar on yours. Sorry if I've caused confusion.

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On 12/09/2021 23:19, Norman Wells wrote:
> The stripiness
> disappears when I increase the print quality from 'standard' to 'high'
> so that may be an acceptable solution, but it's still annoyingly there
> on 'standard' and I don't understand why. What does the printer
> actually do to make the two modes different?

In Standard mode the printer does a single pass, expecting every ink
nozzle to be working properly. In High mode it goes over each printing
dot twice with half the ink each time and this conceals the fact that
some of the nozzles are clogged. You haven't unclogged every nozzle.
>
> Can I ask if you've printed out a 'nozzle check pattern' on your printer
> and if you've noticed the fine vertical line divergence I mentioned?

I couldn't see any divergence in the vertical lines, but I notice that
the Photo Black[1] is denser on the top and bottom than it is in the
middle. This could be because the ink is almost run out, but as I am
not going to print any photos at the moment I have left it until
something else also runs out and I will replace both at the same time.

[1] My printer has two blacks, a black that is used for text printing
and a more dense black used for photograph printing. There is also a
Cyan, Magenta and Yellow cartridge, making five in all.

Jim

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 07:40 UTC

On a similar subject, I'm looking for a basic b/we laser printer that can
connect via wifi which does not have inaccessible touch screen based
controls, so that I as a blind person can set the darned thing up. It may
be true that blind people don't need print but they do need the ability to
print for others of course and the stupid touch screens on everything from
printers to toasters these days seems crazy when you think we are an aging
population and have a lot of people with failing sight.
Brian

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> On Sunday, 12 September 2021 at 10:46:31 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
>> I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a new all-in-one
>> wi-fi inkjet printer/scanner (must be all those)?
>>
>> My current Canon Pixma 7750, which is about 5 years old but has only
>> printed about 4000 pages, is printing what should be solid black as
>> horizontal bands of black that grade from dark grey to black, top to
>> bottom, about every 75mm, and I can't seem to stop it by cleaning the
>> nozzles or performing a head alignment. If anyone has any ideas about
>> that, I'd be interested to know too.
>>
>> When printing very thin black vertical lines, as in the printer test
>> pattern, all the lines start as one, then diverge slightly for 1.65cm
>> into two with a very small gap between them hardly visible to the naked
>> eye, before merging back into one again, absolutely reproducibly. It's
>> as if this is a deliberate feature of the test pattern, but I find that
>> a bit hard to believe. However, it does seem to result in rather blurry
>> very small print.
>>
>> Any comments on what to do appreciated.
>>
>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>
> Get a Brother one. Which one will depend on what other features you
> want - feeder, duplex, A3, fax etc.

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 by: Norman Wells - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:09 UTC

On 13/09/2021 00:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 23:19, Norman Wells wrote:
>> The stripiness
>> disappears when I increase the print quality from 'standard' to 'high'
>> so that may be an acceptable solution, but it's still annoyingly there
>> on 'standard' and I don't understand why.  What does the printer
>> actually do to make the two modes different?
>
> In Standard mode the printer does a single pass, expecting every ink
> nozzle to be working properly. In High mode it goes over each printing
> dot twice with half the ink each time and this conceals the fact that
> some of the nozzles are clogged.  You haven't unclogged every nozzle.

Thanks for the suggestion.

>> Can I ask if you've printed out a 'nozzle check pattern' on your printer
>> and if you've noticed the fine vertical line divergence I mentioned?
>
> I couldn't see any divergence in the vertical lines,

It is very fine, though very clear on mine if you look through a
magnifying glass or, which is very convenient sometimes, you're quite
short-sighted, remove your glasses and can look at it in focus up very
close. The divergence in all the vertical lines starts where they cross
the third horizontal (well, slightly off horizontal line actually, as
they all are), and ends at the corresponding point at the bottom. It's
a curious feature, hard to spot with the naked (vision-corrected) eye,
but I think it must be a deliberate feature as it's so reproducible.

If anyone else here has a Canon printer, I'd be very interested to know
whether they can observe this on a nozzle check pattern.

> but I notice that
> the Photo Black[1] is denser on the top and bottom than it is in the
> middle.

No, not on mine. All the colour bars, including the black one, are
completely uniform.

> This could be because the ink is almost run out, but as I am
> not going to print any photos at the moment I have left it until
> something else also runs out and I will replace both at the same time.

At the risk of people saying it's the cause of all my ills, I have to
say I've found generic ink cartridges to work just as well and give just
as good quality results as Canon's. And of course they're much, much
cheaper. At the prices they are on Amazon, it's a false economy to
persist with nearly empty ones and risk burning out the print head.

> [1] My printer has two blacks, a black that is used for text printing
> and a more dense black used for photograph printing. There is also a
> Cyan, Magenta and Yellow cartridge, making five in all.

Same here, though mine has a grey cartridge too.

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:33 UTC

Brian Gaff wrote:

> I'm looking for a basic b/w laser printer that can
> connect via wifi which does not have inaccessible touch screen based
> controls, so that I as a blind person can set the darned thing up.

I have a Samsung M2026W, it has no display (other than a couple of LEDs)
and just two buttons, for me it was easiest to set it up over USB, not
sure if you can set it up totally over WiFi or NFC, I don't use it very
often so because it's about shoebox sized, it sits on a top shelf,
rather than on the desk. To use it I literally drag it down, plug in
the mains, it joins WiFi and just works

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 by: MB - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:45 UTC

On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?

I know that in the past, whenever I have looked at a Which report on
anything that I knew a bit about, I have disagreed with them.

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 by: Indy Jess John - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 13:10 UTC

On 13/09/2021 09:09, Norman Wells wrote:
> On 13/09/2021 00:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 12/09/2021 23:19, Norman Wells wrote:
>>> The stripiness
>>> disappears when I increase the print quality from 'standard' to 'high'
>>> so that may be an acceptable solution, but it's still annoyingly there
>>> on 'standard' and I don't understand why. What does the printer
>>> actually do to make the two modes different?
>>
>> In Standard mode the printer does a single pass, expecting every ink
>> nozzle to be working properly. In High mode it goes over each printing
>> dot twice with half the ink each time and this conceals the fact that
>> some of the nozzles are clogged. You haven't unclogged every nozzle.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.

I had assumed (and you confirm it below) that like most inkjet users you
buy compatibles rather than the much dearer manufacturer's ink. I do
too. However, I discovered that the lesser used nozzles (the ones that
print the descenders, for instance) can get clogged to the point that
the cleaning cycle doesn't always clear them. Hence my experiments to
find out what does work.

The Canon Pixma range uses a very fine nozzle (1 picolitre rather than
the more common 2 picolitre) and because they are so small they are a
bit more prone to clogging. I also discovered that replacing the
cartridge that prints black text with a genuine Canon one does clear out
blocked nozzles after printing a small number of pages. I imagine Canon
became aware of a clogging problem and unlike the compatibles they add
some form of solvent to the ink to prevent it, and that solvent appears
to unclog blockages too. So although I normally use compatibles, when I
change the black text cartridge for every fourth or fifth change I use a
genuine Canon one and it restores the print head like new and saves me
dismantling the carriage to remove the print head now and again to clean
it manually. Less effort but more cost. ;-)
>
>>> Can I ask if you've printed out a 'nozzle check pattern' on your printer
>>> and if you've noticed the fine vertical line divergence I mentioned?
>>
>> I couldn't see any divergence in the vertical lines,
>
> It is very fine, though very clear on mine if you look through a
> magnifying

I have had a look at the verticals through a magnifying glass. They look
exactly the same from top to bottom.
>
> If anyone else here has a Canon printer, I'd be very interested to know
> whether they can observe this on a nozzle check pattern.
>
I would be interested too, because I can't see it on mine.
>
> At the risk of people saying it's the cause of all my ills, I have to
> say I've found generic ink cartridges to work just as well and give just
> as good quality results as Canon's. And of course they're much, much
> cheaper. At the prices they are on Amazon, it's a false economy to
> persist with nearly empty ones and risk burning out the print head.

I have pointed out above the possibility that Canon might have added
something to their ink that isn't in all compatibles. My printer has 2
levels of warning that require a response: "Ink is running low - do you
still want to continue printing" followed a while later (I haven't
counted, but it seems to be at least 20 pages later) "Ink has run out -
do you really want to continue printing?". I have always got at least
one of every cartridge ready to change an expired one. I normally let
the print job that produced the warning to run to completion if it is a
small one (ie not more than 3 pages left) and then change the cartridge
immediately. This approach has never damaged my print head[1]. If I
have a longer print job running I abandon it and restart it after
changing the cartridge.

[1] I have a spare print head just in case I might need it. I like my
current printer and intend to keep it usable for as long as possible.

Jim

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On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 09:09:48 +0100, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
wrote:

>It is very fine, though very clear on mine if you look through a
>magnifying glass or, which is very convenient sometimes, you're quite
>short-sighted, remove your glasses and can look at it in focus up very
>close. The divergence in all the vertical lines starts where they cross
>the third horizontal (well, slightly off horizontal line actually, as
>they all are), and ends at the corresponding point at the bottom. It's
>a curious feature, hard to spot with the naked (vision-corrected) eye,
>but I think it must be a deliberate feature as it's so reproducible.
>
>If anyone else here has a Canon printer, I'd be very interested to know
>whether they can observe this on a nozzle check pattern.

Tried the nozzle check pattern on a Canon pixma 4800 series.
Checked with an x8 magnifier, could not see any divergence on the fine
lines.

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 by: Indy Jess John - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 13:27 UTC

On 13/09/2021 12:45, MB wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>
>
> I know that in the past, whenever I have looked at a Which report on
> anything that I knew a bit about, I have disagreed with them.
>
>
>
They vary. I bought a Which? Best Buy fridge freezer and it is still
going strong over 30 years later. But I have also bought a Best Buy
washing machine and was disappointed in how short the life was from
brand new to scrap.

These days I try to verify the Which recommendations with other customer
feedback (but not Amazon ratings which are always suspect).

For the ones with star ratings I tend to look at the 3-star comments.
These are the customers who haven't bought the wrong thing (1-star) or
the ones who bought a dud which they sent back and got a better one as a
replacement (2-star). The 3-stars are the people who are happy enough
with their purchase to keep it and use it, but have some things that
they are unhappy about. They tend to be honest reviews and I can make
up my own mind whether their experience is one that might affect me and
if I could live with or circumvent what they are unhappy about.

Jim

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 by: williamwright - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 13:44 UTC

On 13/09/2021 12:45, MB wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>
>
> I know that in the past, whenever I have looked at a Which report on
> anything that I knew a bit about, I have disagreed with them.
>
>
>
Yes, and me.

Bill

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 by: charles - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:05 UTC

In article <iq92u0FktavU1@mid.individual.net>,
williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> On 13/09/2021 12:45, MB wrote:
> > On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
> >> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
> >
> >
> > I know that in the past, whenever I have looked at a Which report on
> > anything that I knew a bit about, I have disagreed with them.
> >
> >
> >
> Yes, and me.

> Bill

and me - more than once

Charles

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On 13/09/2021 15:05, charles wrote:
> In article <iq92u0FktavU1@mid.individual.net>,
> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>> On 13/09/2021 12:45, MB wrote:
>>> On 12/09/2021 12:21, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a Which? subscription and can tell me what new
>>>> all-in-one printer-scanners they recommend please?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that in the past, whenever I have looked at a Which report on
>>> anything that I knew a bit about, I have disagreed with them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, and me.
>
>> Bill
>
> and me - more than once
>
> Charles
>

As for printer-scanner-fax-copiers, I have a HP Pagewide Pro MFP 477dw.

I got 70 uid cash back on it, and the cost per printed page is lower
than for other inkjets, oh, and it can print at something like 16 pages
per minute in full colour.

S.

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 by: Java Jive - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:19 UTC

On 13/09/2021 09:09, Norman Wells wrote:
>
> It is very fine, though very clear on mine if you look through a
> magnifying glass or, which is very convenient sometimes, you're quite
> short-sighted, remove your glasses and can look at it in focus up very
> close.  The divergence in all the vertical lines starts where they cross
> the third horizontal (well, slightly off horizontal line actually, as
> they all are), and ends at the corresponding point at the bottom.  It's
> a curious feature, hard to spot with the naked (vision-corrected) eye,
> but I think it must be a deliberate feature as it's so reproducible.
>
> If anyone else here has a Canon printer, I'd be very interested to know
> whether they can observe this on a nozzle check pattern.

I have a Canon Pixma iP4000 and know the test patterns you mean. It's
more trouble than I am prepared to go to actually run a test ATM, but
I've never noticed such a divergence over many, many years of use with
frequent printing of test patterns, because, I suppose like most people
these days, the need to actually print anything gets less and less, and
therefore on almost every use the print heads need cleaning/declogging
and test print patterns checked before any printing of desired output
can occur.

It seems to me that there is some basic fault with your print head.

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